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bornebackceaselesslyinto replied to your post:@tugomer @useless-sloveniafacts are we really not...

ojoj kaj se dogaja

Pa ne se to je že relativno staro, sam precej primerno za tale čas =D

bornebackceaselesslyinto replied to your post: lilium-bosniacum:Words in Bosnian/ Croatian/...

linguistic note: all those words actually feature vowels (mostly schwas or syllabic consonants) they’re just not represented in the orthography, but transcribed in IPA they’d reveal their true phonetic value :P

I’m just gonna expand a bit (yeah, only a bit lol, sure) on this. The things that are relevant here are:

whether one considers syllabic consonants to be vowels and

whether the sound represented by ⟨r⟩ is an actual syllabic consonant or simply a consonant preceeded by a schwa.

To answer 1.: usually that would not be the case when considering the phonetic definition, but the phonological one is less strict and focuses more on the role of the sound rather than its exact properties, so there that view would pass (vowel being the syllable-carrying sound regardless of its phonetic properties). Still, when describing the actual sound produced, the phonetic definition should be used imho.

The point 2. is more problematic: putting aside everything else, the difference between a syllabic consonant and a schwa ([ə]) + consonant is that in the former case, the production of the second consonant (that is to be syllabic) begins immediately after the first one ends (they are in contact), while in the latter case a short [ə] sound is pronounced in between them (they are not in contact). But! what does one do, when it’s in the very nature of the sound that a short [ə] is pronounced immediately before (and after) it? Because that’s exactly the case with [ɾ] (and [r]). For example, when pronouncing any word starting with a (non-syllabic) [ɾ] (or [r]) a short [ə] sound would show up in the spectrogram; rana is actually pronounced as [[ᵊraːna]]/[[əraːna]] even though we don’t perceive the initial [ə] at all.

So the thing that happens is that languages that don’t have phonemic schwa /ə/ but have a rhotic /ɾ/ that can be syllabic, simply call it just that and don’t bother with the schwa at all (understandably, since it doesn’t exist in their minds). Other languages that have /ə/ but no /ɾ/ that could be syllabic have no issue anyway. Lastly there’s languages that have both /ə/ and /ɾ/ that can be syllabic (in the Slavic family that’s only Slovene and Macedonian, but /ə/ is exceedingly rare in Macedonian, which belongs more to the first group because of that). In Standard Slovene, traditionally, “syllabic” ⟨r⟩ is understood as [ə] + [ɾ], but dialectally, there’s a lot of variation. To illustrate: in the Ljubljana city dialect, where [ə] tends to appear more often than in the Standard language (and not only on account of elisions), the sequence is pronounced with a clear [ə] (as are sequences [əl], [əm], [ən], which I’m mentioning here because like [ɾ],, [l], [m] and [n] are sonorants, which can all be syllabic→); in my own Celje town dialect on the other hand, where [ə] is rare and basically only appears in elisions, syllabic [ɾ̩] is truly syllabic, as are corresponding [l̩], [m̩] and [n̩].

#bornebackceaselesslyinto #it's too long already i'm not going any further #and my dialect is pretty bland tbh #like having [ɛ] instead of [ə] is probable the most noticeable thing about it ? idk #*probably #useless blogging #actually #slovene #slovenian #also #i'm gonna reblog my revised sounds of slovene post today too i think #or did i do that already? i can't even remember

bornebackceaselesslyinto replied to your post “Even though ancestors of Slovenes settled the area in the 6th century...”

Cf: http://historia.blog.siol.net/2009/11/23/sposojene-novicke-z-zgodovino-se-opleta-kot-bi-bila-samopostrezna-trgovina/

upam, da tole deloma “odgovori,” in čeprav sem poznal večino stvari omenjenih v intervjuju (in se tudi strinjam), bi morda zaradi tistega o narodni pripadnosti raznih plemičev in plemiških rodbin na naših tleh malo bolj jasno opredelil vsaj to zadnje, ker sem z “foreign rule” v mislih imel najvišjo raven, npr. sveto rimsko cesarstvo, in ne oblast na nižjih ravneh ala celjski grofje ali goriški itd., kar morda ni čist jasno

#bornebackceaselesslyinto #je pa vsekakor dober intervju in hvala za link

my contribution to the wonderous ru+karo video challenge!

expect sims nostalgia and awesome fonts

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bornebackceaselesslyinto replied to your post:Oh my, I’ve become addicted to historical gay...

i expected nothing less of u

I can't help it. It's so relaxing and predictable and there's always a fluffy ending... and the descriptions can be seriously hilarious.

#historical gay romances #bornebackceaselesslyinto

hey awesome demigod c: Once you get this, you must share five random facts about yourself and then pass onto your ten favourite followers :) (*whisper* Hi! by the way)

this totally made my night, hooray for really sweet invitations to be a bit narcissistic (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

1. I’m generally very upset that there’s way too many good books and tv shows out there, way more music and knowledge than I’d like to have the time/will power for2. I had really long hair for 5 years, but nobody knows even why.3. I only wear black t-shirts. Neil Gaiman says it’s probably ok.4. I hate to exercise and that is probably why I am overweight and will die a tragic artist’s death?5. I wish I were so good at math that I would find beauty in it

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