#cascascas

[littlehollyleaf]

"Oh, this is everything Cass dug up in Gaza, every last bit of prebiblical lore." So Cas took a plane trip to Gaza, no one needs to headcanon that he was in the Bunker the whole time.

That he took a plane does in fact seem to be the overall assumption/headcanon - that one post about him possibly having dug up stuff purely from the bunker was an alternative possibility the OP put forward, even though they themselves had previously adhered to the taking a plane idea. 

But as discussion sparked by the OP here notes, there are multiple ways to understand where/how Cas got the Gaza stuff.

It has also been pointed out that Gaza is not a place you can easily hop on a plane to, so the assumption that he just got a plane there maybe doesn’t make as much sense as all that.

Imo it was a rather thoughtless throwaway line to explain Cas’ absence with as little effort as possible. But that’s just my feeling about it. I am, tbh, just honestly grateful to have Cas mentioned AT ALL in episodes he isn’t in. This gives this season a rating of 100% so far when it comes to Cas involvement in the story for me - there hasn’t been a single episode where he hasn’t at least been MENTIONED. So, you know, that’s a real win for me.

[marcosilaen]

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[littlehollyleaf]

Hey, you're back and talking SPN. ;) <3 <3 <3 if not about Dean, then what do you think about my favorite character #meanwhile castiel so far?

Castiel! MY DARLING, MY LOVE, MY LIFE!

What do I think?

1) NOT ENOUGH CAS (but there’s NEVER ENOUGH)

2) I kinda love how Cas’ situation is playing out, because oh the ANGST! And, uh, well, I always enjoy my favs being hurt and experiencing the subsequent ~emotions it causes me :p

I really really LOVED his prayer to Heaven. Firstly because I’m glad it was to HEAVEN and NOT GOD - I thought he was gonna look to god in desperation and wouldn’t have liked that, it would have felt pointless to me. Instead, like the great strategist Cas is, he looked to somewhere that might actually offer practical assistance, swallowed his pride, and called to his family despite his recent estrangement/exile. And he did it NOT FOR HIMSELF, not because he wanted to be free of Rowena’s curse for his own benefit (in fact it seemed to me like he was hiding away trying to resign himself to the spell for the foreseeable future), but because he realised he was an uncontrollable danger to others and couldn’t stand for that! 

AND OH, Cas being willing to accept whatever punishment he expected Heaven to inflict! *clutches heart* And that was without Cas even knowing that he’d been part of the release of the Darkness! That was just Cas accepting the taking of Metatron as wrong. I do love Cas being AWARE of his sins, facing up to them and to his mistakes, accepting his guilt and stuff - he sure has come a long way from the angel who broke down and ran from his guilt in S07 xx

ALTHOUGH, he stills tends towards physical penance/punishment as a means of dealing with his guilt/wrongdoing, which maybe needs looking to... (or better yet, not choosing to do questionable things he is aware are morally dubious or possibly even outright wrong in the first place!). Like, I feel like even though these angels that have him now are likely to be acting outside of Heaven and dolling out personal justice on him, that Cas will still accept the pain as deserving penance. 

Plus, there’s the GLORY of the deancas phone conversation :D All - ‘are you okay?’ - ‘forget about me are YOU okay?’ - ‘no, forget about me are YOU okay?’ :p

AND AND EVEN MORE EMOTIONAL - CAS’ GOODBYE TO SAM AND DEAN!!

Because as I see it, despite what he said about it being a while before seeing them again, Cas was in fact assuming that phone conversation to be very possibly a FINAL GOODBYE! Because he knew if the spell didn’t kill him then Heaven might. 

So the very last thing he wanted to do on Earth was make sure his best friend(s) were okay and tell them goodbye!

The last thing Cas wanted before his likely death/execution was to hear DEAN’S VOICE - omg kill me!

xxx

Plsplspls everyone come and talk to me about Cas FOREVER, because we NEVER talk enough about Cas (we’re always talking about Dean Dean Dean) and I NEED more Cas in my life ALWAYS because Cas is my FAVOURITE!

[topcatnikki]

Omg finally Cas!!

[littlehollyleaf]

I'm lurking on tumblr and I was following your liveblogging and ever since you mentioned how happy you were about the phone call to Cas at the beginning of the episode, I've been anxiously waiting for you to get to the SECOND one to see your post about it ahah :P I love your liveblogs!

OH NO I SHOULD HAVE FLAILED MORE!! All I did was a one line post, I'm sorry I feel like I've let you down!

Rest assured I was ECSTATIC to have a second phone call! And that second one, oh, it made Cas SO MUCH A PART OF THE EFFORT TO HELP DEAN WITH THE MoC you know? It was DESIGNED to show there was a team effort going on, that Dean has a real support network around him, it was designed to SHOW THAT CAS IS A VITAL PART OF DEAN'S SUPPORT NETWORK oh god CAS IS VITAL TO ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS OF THE SHOW CAS IS VITAL TO THE SHOW!

...ahem. Sorry, got a bit overcome! 

[littlehollyleaf]

I love the headcanon that Cas can see Dean's soul when he stares at him, but it always makes me question, did Cas know that Sam was soulless in S6? It looked like he didn't know until he stuck his hand in, and that made my head feel messy. My current theory is that he mistaken the vacant state of soul for the damage of the soul, and deemed it unfixable in his current state, like he gauged Sam's damage in 8x17. Could you share your theory on this topic? :)

Ah, now when it comes to what angels can and can't see... I've gotta say I've never really been that interested tbh! I'm so sorry! So I've never cared personally about the Cas being able to see Dean's soul idea or angels being able to see or differentiate between souls or really bothered to think in depth about how angels perceive people/animals/monsters in general (another question along this line would be - how to angels see demons? do they constantly see demons' true forms/faces, like Dean could at the end of S03?).

The way I understand S06 (and GOD but I have issues with Cas' storyline in that season) Cas genuinely DIDN'T know Sam was missing his soul until he put his hand in, as you say. Part of Cas' VO in TMWWBK supports this imo, because he talks about thinking he'd saved Sam when really it turned out he hadn't saved all of him (implying an initial lack of awareness).

I really REALLY like your idea that he mistook the absence of soul for unfixable damage - I hadn't thought about that but I think it definitely works and that can well be considered part of the mistake on Cas' part, thanks!

The way I'd been thinking about it was that the point of Cas' behaviour through S06 was that he was ARROGANT (full of HUBRIS). Bolstered by his magical resurrection, the (perhaps sycophantic) praise of his fellow angels and the silver-tongued flattery of Crowley, he was overconfident in everything he did, believing his actions were always right. SO when it came to soulless!Sam, I just figured, well, he DIDN'T NOTICE the lack of soul. Because, like with everything else, he WASN'T LOOKING CLOSELY at things, he was so certain there COULDN'T be anything wrong that he was blind to any signs that suggested/showed that there was (he says something of the kind in TMWWBK actually when we see him watching Sam outside Lisa's and looking confused when Sam walks away - Cas' VO mentions that this should have been a sign that something was wrong with Sam, but Cas dismissed it because he was distracted by other things and, as I say, so overconfident that he didn't consider the fact that he might have made a mistake). 

So you can perhaps argue that Cas COULD have seen Sam was soulless just by looking if he'd only stopped to look properly - that would allow for the headcanon that Cas can see Dean soul just by looking, although it implies that angels have to really stare/squint/whatever to see human souls, as opposed to seeing them as easily as we see objects. 

Hmmm... I think, perhaps, for me I'd been thinking (in a vague, non-thinking kind of way :p) that angels perceive souls not so much as a visual, but that they FEEL them? At the end of S04 Cas says he 'sees inside Dean' but what he lists as things he 'sees' are in fact emotions - Dean's fear, anger and confusion. So I think perhaps 'see' in this context is a misnomer, because it doesn't necessarily refer to sight. It's more 'see' as in 'get/experience/understand'?

In which case, if you understand angel perception of souls in that sense, Cas may have felt something 'off' about soulless!Sam, like Sam's emotions may have felt stunted or diminished, but, like you say, that could be attributed to hell trauma damaging the soul (there must be, presumably, humans WITH souls that are like soulless!Sam was after all - psychopaths for example? - and thus if Sam 'felt' different to Cas then he could have assumed Sam's soul had changed as opposed to being missing).

While we're on this topic, to tangent a little, there is also another aspect of angel perception/power that I often think about, which is mindreading. I know a lot of fic and headcanons assume Cas/angels can read minds, and I'm cool with that in fic and headcanon, but I've never felt like the canon has actually suggested that. As I mention above Cas claims that 'seeing into' Dean gives him insight into Dean's EMOTIONS, but that's not at all the same. That's like an empath power, not a mindreading power. And I can't think of any examples where angels were shown to actually have read people's thoughts. So, yeah, I've never been sure about that, which, perhaps, has always had me doubting that angel perception of humans in other senses (like soul seeing) is really that great.  

ALSO I do think that Cas specifically. since coming to know Sam and Dean through S05, might consciously/deliberately hold back from examining humans too closely (in whatever ways angels CAN, be it mindreading, sensing emotions, seeing souls, whatever) out of respect for their privacy. Which might be another reason why he didn't notice Sam's missing soul?

Good question anyways, got me pondering! Sorry I don't have any clear answers. The canon has always been (probably deliberately) vague about angel powers.

[littlehollyleaf]

What's your favorite Cas moment? I know it's hard to pick, but I'm curious xD For me, it was when Cas told Dean how to stop Lilith while saying he absolutely can't help him. His first time of defying Heaven, but he went on with it so calmly. I basically love whenever Cas cleverly turns the table and be sneaky bastard while he's cornered, but this moment made me fall in love with his character.

Oh my dear anon! I saw this in my emails first, and all I glimpsed was 'what's you favourite Cas moment?' And then I just went to open tumblr to read the rest here, because I knew I wanted to reply ASAP. As I was opening the window I was pondering, and the moment that INSTANTLY came to mind was Cas in The Monster at the End of this Book exploiting a loophole in the angelic 'can't stop a prophecy' stance and LO AND BEHOLD this is what you are describing!

I too did not LOVE love Cas until that moment.

In fact, before that moment I strongly suspected that while he had been shown to sympathise with Dean, that ultimately his loyalties would be with Heaven and that he would forever stick to his orders and Dean and Sam would probably have to stand against him and maybe even kill him by the end of the season. I still, I suppose, in simplistic terms, figured he was a villain and/or antagonist until THAT MOMENT.

So, yes, I guess it IS my favourite Cas moment :)

It's when Cas came into his own and when his rebellious nature first truly showed itself. But it also showed the inner STRUGGLE that continues to inform his character - because while Cas WANTED to help Dean and clearly was EMOTIONALLY connected to Sam and Dean's plight, he couldn't shake off his ties to Heaven. He was stuck in an awkward in-between - not completely with Sam and Dean, not fully throwing himself in with humanity, because he still believed that Heaven/angels were or could be good/right, and not whole-heartedly a part of Heaven either, because he also believed Heaven was treating Sam and Dean and humanity badly.

And I guess that struggle, of Cas having a foot in both worlds, having understanding and sympathy and love for two groups that typically do not mix, and as a consequence being unable to find belonging in either, is one of the core things that draw me to him (albeit subconsciously for the most part!)

BUUUUUT there are SO MANY OTHER MOMENTS I enjoy just as much.

I just ADORE the 'sorry scene' in Reading is Fundamental (as horribly painful as it is) - Cas so guilty and regretful/remorseful and trying to communicate that to Dean (as well as trying to distance himself from his feelings and what he's done because it's too hard to face), but not coming across as sincere, at least not enough for Dean, who in any case is not listening properly, understandably considering how hurt he still is over what Cas is trying to apologise for, and Cas asking Dean to 'go first' with the Sorry! game, because Dean is not blameless, and - ugh, it's such a messy tangle I like that scene a lot okay!

I love Cas with Dean in the Green Room at the end of S04, trying so hard to keep to his faith that Heaven's course of action is just, but so clearly affected by Dean's arguments that bit by bit find their way inside him and break apart Heaven's brainwashing - that was GORGEOUS to watch! Literally seeing Cas fight the philosophy Heaven had conditioned in him and find the courage to rebel :)

ALL OF CAS in On The Head of a Pin (partly for the same reasons as above - oh oh his PAINED EXPRESSION when Anna explains what he's feeling is doubt, and of course probably he KNEW that, but he'd been lying to himself that it wasn't, that he was still a loyal warrior of Heaven/God, only then FALLEN Anna apparently recognises part of herself in him and it's confirmation of his worst fears so he denies and denies until he no longer can!)

Cas trying to kill anti-Christ Jesse is also a really cool and intense moment.

The 'TALK TO ME' scene in Hunteri Heroici where Cas admits his guilt over what he did to Heaven while high on Purgatory souls has left him suicidal. 

The crypt scene in Goodbye Stranger.

Oh oh, Cas so desperate to save Samandriel in Torn and Frayed.

ALL OF CAS in Heaven Can't Wait (but esp. when he has to leave the crime scene full of blood and is shown head bowed over the Impala - so vulnerable and AFRAID).

Really... almost every time he was onscreen during S09 :) I was GIDDY over him having his own onscreen arc for the first time that season, so much of it will forever retain a sense of fondness for me because of that.

I think, basically, my favourite Cas moment is CAS :p

[littlehollyleaf]

#this is why I headcanon that he was among the angels who killed the firstborns during Passover o h my god I've never thought about that YOUR HEADCANON IS PERFECT AND MAKING ME QUITE EMOTIONAL

OMG I’M SO SORRY! (by which I mean I’m totally not, of course :p ...well, maybe a little bit...maybe...)

Ever since Naomi mentioned he was at Passover, but Cas himself didn’t remember, I’ve been musing on and off about what could have possibly happened back then that would have led to the memory wipe that was obviously being implied.

After various imagined scenarios, I think Cas having a breakdown after killing human children fits the canon best (for me at least). It fits with Naomi’s claim that Cas has always had a ‘crack in his chassis' - because Naomi would have felt that angels weren't supposed to weep over dead human children or go to pieces after following the orders of Heaven, I feel. I think that would have implied to her that Cas was broken/wrong (and would fit with the idea of Cas' PROBLEM being that he has 'too much heart' like Samandriel talked about).

I just imagine all the angels on that mission reporting for role call afterwards, and Cas is missing. So Anna, as leader of the garrison in charge of the mission, sends Balthazar and Uriel to go look for him, and they find him outside a hut kneeling beside the body of one of the kids he’s killed, crying his eyes out, maybe lightly stroking the child’s hair. And when Bal and Uriel try and get him to leave he refuses, and likewise refuses to listen to Anna when she arrives. Then, because the three of them care about Cas, so they try and talk him around themselves, Bal and Anna talking gently and telling him it was god’s will and he doesn’t need to feel bad, Uriel eventually snapping and yelling that they are just ‘monkeys’ and Cas is being stupid. But Cas just zones out into an almost comatose state and ultimately Anna has no choice but to report the situation to Zachariah, who passes the information further up until in the end Naomi and her team arrive to collect Cas and ‘fix him.’

Ah, headcanons :)

But also - Ugh. Headcanons are fun and all, but we are SO BEREFT of Cas/angel backstory in actual canon, I would KILL for flashback scenes that canonically fill in these gaps!