#classpect powers

[tavtiers]

This is a weird one, but how overpowered can a Page of Time be, and how fucked up is a person with Trickster Mode + God Tier'd?

Power speculation for the Page of Time:

It is my opinion that all classpects possess the same amount of potential and/or "power level". This is because all god tiers represent someone's best self. That being said, the level of ability they possess at different times in their lives can differ. Where classpects are equal is in the overall power they have throughout their lives. Also, classes like the Lord can appear to have a higher level of strength, but it will come with greater drawbacks. For example, Caliborn's drawbacks were that he was a shallow and unintelligent person who lacked meaningful connections with others.

Let's go back to the concept that god tiers possess different levels of ability at different times in their lives. Pages are unique in that they go through most of their lives unrealized in their potential and lacking in agency. However, much like the character of King Arthur, when they finally come into their own they are powerful beyond a doubt. A realized Page could potentially be as capable as the Lord class.

This means that an older, realized Page of Time could possess as much power as a Lord of Time. Where a Page differs is that they utilize their aspect; a Lord masters their aspect by being a combination of each active class. So a realized Page of Time would be able to expertly utilize endings and destruction for the sake of others or through others. This classpect could be a weapon of massive destruction when pointed at their enemies, or an inspiring commander of armies for their allies.

Specific Powers by bardkind:

"The Page will always be in the alpha timeline. If they move from one timeline to another, the new timeline they are in will become the alpha timeline. This only applies to the Page from the Alpha timeline. Any timeline with a Page in it that is not from the Alpha timeline will not be able to become Doomed. Pages also heal timelines with their mere presence. For example, if a Lord of time was destroying parts of time, the presence of a Page would stop it, if not rewind the damage."

Find the full document here.

Trickster mode and God Tiers:

Every character, whether in Homestuck or not, goes on a personal journey from unrealized, to struggle, to realized. Another way to look at this journey is undeveloped, crisis, character development. God tiers symbolize this journey; completing their planet quests and working to become what their god tier symbolizes will help a character "develop" faster.

Dying on a quest bed and ascending to a god tier, with new powers and an outfit, is another matter entirely. Sburb is set up so that if you follow your planet quest the way it is designed, you should reach character development by the time you die on your quest bed and ascend to god tier status. That isn't always the case, however. Dying on a quest bed and achieving your powers does not fundamentally change you as a person. If an undeveloped character skips their quests and dies on their quest bed, they will still be undeveloped when they ascend. Unfortunately, this means they will be much less prepared to wield the powers they've been granted.

Trickster mode unleashes a character's hidden thoughts and feelings, allowing them to be truly free in who they are. It also comes at the expense of reason. Becoming trickstered is the same as getting shitfaced drunk; it's fun! You won't be a stable, rational person while you're under the influence though.

Because of this, I would say a god tiered character in trickster mode is much the same as a god tiered undeveloped character. It would work about as well as giving a baby a loaded gun. Prepare for Witches of Hope forcing people into laughing fits and Rogues of Space teleporting your friends to the moon. It's a great party! Best be prepared for the aftermath.

Hope this helps!

[techtakesoff]

hi, ive been playing a homestuck ttrpg thing and the session manager and almost every other resource for classpects dont really define what a mage of breath can do or cant do. like yes they know direction and all that jazz but what can we do with it? how can we turn that explaination into something that can be used like a power? and i know that abilities are highly dependant on the type of person one is, but i just need general ideas of what we could do

tldr: please help i dont know what powers mages of breath have and my brain is too empty to theorize without doubting myself

 A Mage of Breath is one who actively knows Direction, Freedom and Change. As such their powers would be… interesting to say the least. 

 The first thing that comes to mind is an intuitive sense for where the Mage is, and more importantly how to get where they want to be, or if the Breeze wills it, where the narrative wants them to be.

At higher levels this might grow into an innate awareness of their position on the proverbial map anywhere they happen to be, be it underground or in a dense forest, they know exactly where they, and by extension their team, are located.

It might take some focus to Know the location of others, as the Mage is an active class, but it shouldn’t be too hard. 

 Another thing would be an intuitive understanding of how to exercise the Change they want to come about. Say the Time player foresaw the Black Queen killing an important person on Prospit, they travel backwards and consult with the Mage, who would have an itch as to what to Change to make that outcome turn in their favour.

This would start out as simply a gut feeling of vague nature, but might progress to a more solid understanding as the Mage climbs their echeladder. 

 They might have some knowledge about the game itself they’re not aware of - locked away for later use. After all, John’s classpect gave him some measure of one-up-manship over the rules of Sburb via the retcon.

The Mage might know how to dodge the rules of the game, sidestep the shackles constricting them. They might have creative ideas on how others could use the powers of their godtiers in unconventional ways.

 They would make a great advisor to the Friendleader, provided they learn to trust their intuition. This is where Moon sway may come into play.

A Derse dreamer would be more pragmatic and skeptical, which might lead them to go against the flow of their powers at first. A Prospit dreamer on the other hand would probably be more inclined to follow along with their hunches.

 There are of course some smaller things with Breath the Mage would be able to do regardless of their class verbiage - we see Rose use Light as a weapon in Collide, the Mage could very well levitate things or send someone back with a blast of wind.

They would be much less proficient in using their Aspect in this sense than say a Witch, but don’t be too quick to write off a classpect as solely the combination of their aspect and verbiage. The Sburb system is a lot more versatile than many people seem to think, your abilities are only as limited as your imagination and your willingness to think outside the box. 

[life-of-mage]

maid of breath?

Mundane: Adaptability, improv skills, good at finding new solutions to problems, can always find time for themselves amidst a heavy workload

Magical: Flight, aerokinesis, underwater breathing, moving through walls/solid objects, controlling the direction of moving objects, weakening the strength of bonds and restrictions (physical or otherwise)

[landofgatesandconstellations]

Bard of Doom Powers

Delete psionics and oil Kill on touch (both like a reaper and being really bad at taking care of stuff) Come back from the dead “Nuh uh, no dying here” probably a lot of ghost related stuff can kill ghosts, and kill living people as a ghost And they’re the most likely classpect to accidentally break sburb, like prototyping skaia or killing the king before entry.

[classpectating]

Hello ! I'm here to ask you what so you think a Rogue of Heart and a Thief of Rage could do ? (not together btw. Separately. Those are both my classpects so I'd just like to know what I could do :/) thank you :D

of course !!

the ROGUE OF HEART is “one who steals heart for the benefit of others”. you take emotions and inner self and uplift your teammates! you may struggle with your personal emotions, but you’re a very giving and helpful teammate.

in battle against large groups of people, you could strip the enemies of their emotions and make them into dull, useless beings. 

you can give your teammates positive emotion/motivate them after taking the motivation from the enemy.

you can spread a mass feeling to many people, such as spreading a wave of excitement among a group.  

you can understand people’s true intentions and emotions after taking their feelings and inner self, similar to looking into their soul. 

the THIEF OF RAGE is “one who steals rage for themselves”. you are selfish in the best way possible, taking the negative emotion from others and imposing it upon yourself. like a therapist that doesn’t talk, only listens. you’re misunderstood as a thief but your efforts will not be ignored.

you can take the enemies aggression and strip it from them, making an aggravated monster suddenly docile and calm. 

you can take an enemies aggression and give it to yourself, making you “hulk out”.

if someone is having an emotional episode/about to go grim dark, you can strip them of those dark thoughts. 

you can release a wave of ominous and aggressive energy onto a bunch of people after festering it inside of you, like a ticking time bomb.

[ardenttheories]

How do splinters work? I’m trying to make a Heart fankid, but I’m not totally sure how to approach that part of the Aspect.

Splinters are a little complicated, but I’d say the way you might be thinking of them - as we see in the comic - are very specific to the Prince of Heart. 

The way they are for Dirk - as literal divisions of himself, things that think and feel as much as he does and eventually lose their sense of Self as the “core” and struggle to create their own identities in the void that follows - likely isn’t what you’ll see in most other Heart Players.

It’s too destructive. This isn’t Dirk simply doing a Hearty thing, like John controlling the Wind; it’s Dirk destroying his sense of self, his literal soul, and splitting it up into pieces. 

For instance, neither our Rogue or our Mage of Heart have this form of Splinter, even after playing the game or existing in the Dreambubbles for centuries. Yet Dirk’s first Splinter is arguably either his Dreamself (which he’s always had) or Hal (which he created at the tender age of 13). 

So Splinters as they relate to Dirk aren’t common Heart pieces. They’re one version of Splinters available to Heart Players, but not the only one.

If we consider these True Splinters - parts of the Self that have actually divided from the Player - then I’d say you have a few more options of how Splinters can work.

- Faux Splinters; any time the Player “creates a new self”, without actually making it a completely new person (such as Nepeta’s roleplaying. She creates an entirely new persona, but at her core is no less herself)

- Partial Splinters; any time a Player creates a new identity that is as much them as any other identity (such as if a Player were to act differently when talking to specific people; they aren’t any less that person, but there’s aspects of their personality that they emphasise more, to such a degree that you might not completely recognise them if they used one of these personas)

- Stolen Splinters; any time a Player steals a “self” and makes it their own (think a Thief for this, with the ability to straight up steal a soul and make it part of their arsenel)

- Abstract Splinters; any time a Player casts out part of their soul with the intent to bring it back (the soul doesn’t form a new personality, but acts as an extension to the main self, and develops with the core Splinter rather than develops into its own thing)

- Full Splinters; any time a Player makes use of an actual, whole soul (think Witch for this, with the ability to transfer a soul from one place to another. Think Davesprite for this, who is a technical Splinter of Dave without being an actual division of his soul)

- Rot Splinters; any time a Player destroys the self without actually splitting the soul (More Bard-centred, but I’m counting this as a Splinter since the old Self still holds the potential of being restored)

- Fractured Splinters; any time a Player creates a Splinter without actually providing it a new body (so, if you know how DID works, it’s basically that; lots of fractured pieces of the self layered all over the place, with one “core” and a potential for any one Splinter to control the body at a time)

- Amalgamate Splinters; any time the self has been created through fusing of Splinters (A bit like EriSolSprite, but without needing the Sprite to make it happen)

- Timeline Splinters; different versions of the Self that exist throughout the timelines (think the difference between Dave and Davesprite, except if Davesprite had stayed in his Doomed timeline)

And here’s a vague guideline for which Classes I think would probably have access to each type of Splinter:

Maid: True, Full, Fractured, Amalgamate 

Prince: True, Rot 

Bard: Rot, Fractured 

Sylph: Amalgamate, Faux

Knight: Partial, Faux, Abstract, Timeline

Page: Partial, Rot

Thief: Stolen, Amalgamate 

Rogue: Faux, Timeline

Mage: Timeline

Seer: Timeline

Heir: Full, Abstract, Timeline

Witch: Full, Fractured, True, Amalgamate 

All that needs doing with this is figuring out how you want each Class to actually use the Splinters, because it will be different.

For instance; 

The Heir of Heart could have access to Timeline Splinters because, being the Literal Soul, they’re the most likely to become the Ultimate Self - or because they can just jump into that version of their Self if things get a little hairy with the current Self they’re inhabiting. 

On the other hand, Knights of Heart have access to the Timeline Splinters for exploitation reasons, and can likely use/influence them to help the Alpha Timeline. 

Another example of something a bit stronger;

Princes of Heart have access to True Splinters because they naturally destroy aspects of the Self (and what better way to do that than by splitting the Self up into many other Selves that then lose their identity as the core?).

Maids of Heart, on the other hand, have access to True Splinters because it may turn out that the only way to heal someone’s sense of Self is to split them apart (think how Lord English is an Amalgamation; the only way to truly “fix” his fractured Self would be to split him back into his core components; ARquiussprite, Gamzee, and Caliborn). 

If that’s only confused things more, don’t worry; I legit didn’t intend to make this as long or complex as I did, I just wasn’t capable of stopping myself after a bit.

Essentially I’ve just named different ways for Splinters to be used, and who’s more likely to use them that way. It’s a lot of the same stuff as other Classpectors seem to agree on, but with Titles. 

Feel free to send in another ask telling me more about your fankid, and I can help you go from there if you need the help!

[candlestar]

Possible Bard of Breath power: slightly irritates the air around them, inducing sneezing and watering of the eyes. In battle, the Bard's opponent is rendered unable to fight due to uncontrollable sneezing and crying, like the worst pollen allergy imaginable.

[level2janitor]

Powers for a Bard of Mind

Class: Bard

-Bard abilities: Passive destruction of aspect; immunity to aspect

Aspect: Mind

-Mind abilities: Influence over thoughts/decisions

Passive abilities: 

-Slightly lessens cognitive processes of those around them

Active Debuff Spells:

SPACE OUT – Requires 5 Mind – Causes a target to lose focus, and lose their train of thought. Requires eye contact.

COGNITIVE SCRAMBLE – Requires 15 Mind – Alters a target’s thoughts to make it very difficult to think, or to string together coherent thoughts. Lasts 5 minutes.

Miscellaneous Spells:

MEMORY WIPE – Requires 30 Mind – Removes a memory from a target’s mind. Effect is permanent unless undone with magic. 

ALTER MEMORY – Requires 80 Mind – Changes a specific memory of a target. Requires physical contact. Effect is permanent unless undone with magic.

OVERRIDE – Requires 120 Mind – Allows the user to possess a target and temporarily control them. How long this spell lasts depends on the mental fortitude and willpower of both the target and the user.

PSYCHOSIS REVERIE – Requires 160 Mind – Places the target into a trance-like state in which they are unable to process information or think at all beyond basic survival needs. Lasts 8 to 24 hours. Target’s mind is extremely vulnerable to magical manipulation during this time.

Active Attack Spells:

BRAIN FREEZE – Requires 5 Mind – Gives the target a headache and lowers their mental speed. Lasts 1-5 minutes depending on the target’s mental fortitude.

CONFUSION – Requires 10 Mind – Lightly attacks the target with psychic energy. Likely to cause dizziness.

DISABLE – Requires 15 Mind  – Gives a target a psychic shock which overwhelms their nervous system for 2-5 minutes. Requires physical contact.

PSYWAVE – Requires 25 Mind – Causes a massively painful sensation in the target’s brain, similar to a migraine. During this attack the target will be extremely hypersensitive to sensory input, and will have difficulty moving their body. Lasts 30 seconds to one minute.

PSYSHOCK – Requires 30 Mind – Overloads a target’s mind with intrusive thoughts, making it extremely difficult to think. Lasts between 2-30 minutes depending on the target’s mental fortitude.

PSYCHIC SLAM – Requires 80 Mind – Completely disables a target’s thought processes for up to an hour, effectively putting them in a coma. Requires physical contact.