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it's really hard for me to get upset at a lot of what cullen said after broken circle and stuff because of how traumatized he was. but, i still didn't like him doing all that crap even still. what really takes the cake is that you can pretty much tell that the circle isn't all that great to the templars either. it's like they don't want the templars to see that mages ARE human. that's just one of the many things against the circle and how both are treated..

Right after the broken circle quest is kinda understable as he was very deeply traumatized and still under the shock, it just always rubs me the very wrong way when characters wish harm to mages, but I’m mostly pissed at what he says (and does) in DA2 honestly

But yeah. A lot of templars also never met a mage during their training and are first in contact with them when assigned to the Circle. Mages up until then are pretty much that weird creature that they study and therefore they know nothing of them but what the Chantry taugh them: they are dangerous abominations-to-be.

And templars are indeed mistreated by the Chantry: If you are thrown out of the templar order, you are pretty much fucked, as the Chantry is the only legal source of lyrium and that smugglers would make you pay a high price that you cannot really afford for it. (Just look at what state Samson was in when you meet him in da2.) The effects of lyrium withdrawal being pretty extreme (just remember that one guy in a cell that you can find when trying to find and kill Arl Howe) so being thrown out of the templars would pretty much result in death. A lot of them actually sign up with good intentions and end up being corrupt (Cullen.) and the ones that are a bit too sympathetic are thrown out (Samson)

The Chantry is the one that teaches people to fear and despise mages. The Chantry is the one that most benefits of the Circles. That’s why when I complain about the oppression of mages, I make sure to mention the Chantry, and not only the Templars.

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i hope you don't mind me having this conversation with you lmao, but it makes me irritated that they chose cullen to be the templar to strike you if you're a female mage because they know that you're friends with him and he likes you. i mean, that must be pretty fucking traumatizing. "oh hey, by the way, you need to kill amell/surana if they get possessed kthxbye" -.-'

Oh I don’t mind at all, I love shitting over the Circle/Templars/Chantry with others ~ !

Actually, it’s most probably on purpose (and crush on you or not, I’m pretty sure Cullen likes a male mage as a friend, so it’s as bad). Anders does state that “no mage has ever dared to fall in love, it gave the templars too much control over you if there was something you wouldn’t want to lose.” and we can see mages being separated from their lovers more than once:

Karl was sent to the Gallows not long after he passed his Harrowing. It is stated in WoT2 that Irving told the Templars to watch over Anders more closely, which means that he knew that they were close and he probably even knew they were in love. (it’s even stated that Anders made no attempt to escape while he was in a relationship with Karl)

Irving could have absolutely stopped them from taking Karl away and sent another mage. Yet he didn’t. But he still cared about Anders right? Lmfao nah

Same for Maddox: he was made Tranquil for sending letters to the person he loved, and Samson was fired for helping him sending them.

There is a mage in the Gallows courtyard that can have a discussion with a Tranquil mage. He tells her that he loves her, and she responds that their relationship was illicit and that “I am ser Alrik’s now.”. You can guess the very gross thing that it implies, but it may also imply that relationships indeed are not allowed.

Wynne’s son was taken away like a day after he was born.

They are assigning Cullen to this task to teach him to not have any emotional bond with mages. Templars aren’t supposed to bond with mages. Because Templars could anytime have to kill them, with reasons or not, or watch them being made Tranquil.

It’s. Gross.

#as much as cullen pisses me off in da2 and in the broken circle he was actually a nice templar in the magi origin #cosimasass #mod kama

it also makes me mad whenever they pretty much say that blood magic itself isn't inherently evil but yet most of them people are the ones who say that being a mage is bad. also, don't even get me started on when you're just minding your own business in skyhold and you constantly hear that mages aren't supposed to rule over man. it makes me mad that you couldn't go up to them and tell them off because 1) you're a mage and 2) you're in power.

Yeaah the whole deal with blood magic makes me upset honestly. People are ready to claim” blood magic isn’t inherently evil” when they feel like it but whenever they’re going to see a mage or a blood mage they’re going to be like “what the fuck blood magic/magic is fucked up” lol.

Also, on the subject of blood magic, the funniest thing is how Circles are so hypocrite on it. Of course, blood magic is bad until it works for them (phylacteries are blood magic.). Also, remember Gascard Dupuis in DA2? Hawke can tell him something like “I could report you for being a blood mage you know.” even though Gascard used that girl’s blood to track her in case she was taken- which is the same exact thing as phylacteries.

But apparently blood magic is only good when it’s used against mages and by the Circle.

And the whole thing about “magic is to serve man, and not rule over him” is ironically hypocritical in many ways. But espescially like you said: a mage inquisitor is in power and saving Thedas.It’s even funnier if you’re like me and always play as mage no matter which DA you’re playing, so it’s like: A mage saved Ferelden (and Thedas in general) from the Blight, a mage was the Champion of Kirkwall which saved it from a Qunari attack AND saved the Circle mages from the Templars, and then a mage is the Inquisitor here to save Thedas, and yet they’re still spewing that magic is evil!

Also, that saying can be used against the Templars as well anyway, like I said in this post

AND I would also like to point out that whenever there is a conflict (a war, for example), mages are called on to fight and are a huge plus to the armies. Magic is used to heal people that are very badly wounded. Without magic, life would be made more difficult, but yet it’s still evil, right?

The Chantry/Circle is just a bunch of hypocrites honestly.

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plus i know that this isn't directly related to the mage origin but cassandra says that even she was made tranquil once. about how she doesn't even know what really happened and everything. plus, the fact that instead of having to kill a tranquil in order to have them ~feel~ the fade again, you can actually become not tranquil. ugh. plus, alistair tries so hard to reassure the mage warden that he's not one of the bad templars.

Alistair also often points out that he, in fact, didn’t become a templar at all! He was formed to be one, but had no choice in the matter. Though some of his views are the ones that he is taugh by the Chantry, he actually is comprehensive toward the mages!

If you are a mage warden and die while killing the archdemon while Alistair is king, he builds a new tower under your name and gives the mages authonomy. Without even being asked! And if your warden doesn’t die, they can ask him to do so!

But yeah- Alistair is aware of the fear he must give the mage companions, as he also asks Wynne if she is uncomfortable in his presence. He probably knows how much of a threat templars are seen by mages.

As for the thing with Cass, it’s so fucked up honestly. She didn’t even know. Like, it’s terrible that the Seekers didn’t tell her, but it’s also fucked up because you don’t even… know that they’re making you Tranquil? Either she had just no memory of the Rite or it’s something that can actually be done subtely- I think it’s the former, however.

The fact that the Seekers hid the fact that you can reverse Tranquility (even the Divine didn’t know) is so… Horrible. And heartbreaking when you think of mages like Anders and Karl. Because Anders actually had the cure for Tranquility inside of him. It makes me so sad. And upset.

Tranquility is fucked up, and doesn’t even stop mages from being possessed, it just makes it harder. The spirits see them as if they were just inanimate objects- they aren’t as drawn to them as they would be to mages, but it is still possible for them to get possessed.

And the worst is also that there is also a way to reverse possession (we even did it, in DAO when dealing with Connor, and then in Asunder when Wynne and a group of mages dealt with Pharamond, a Tranquil who was possessed by a demon). And as much as I understand that its a complicated ritual and that it needs a lot of lyrium, that it is dangerous, it still means that death isn’t the final and only answer to possession. Because even if most abominations turn very violent and dangerous, I’m sure that if they really tried, they could save many, many possessed mages.

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