#cql negative

[wutheringskies]

If you sit down to analyze themes from CQL, Lan Zhan's character suffers so greatly.

me writing such a long post in my drafts shitting on cql lan wangji but the overall sentiment is such that:

MDZS! Lan Wangji: Wei Ying, will you allow me to be your husband, your daolu, your lover?

CQL! Lan Wangji: Wei Ying, be my casual, long distance, low commitment girlfriend.

[annalacerda17]

I really hate that CQL made the puppets WWX controled in the SSC be living corpses of all things. I know they had to deal with censorship, and that they made WRH be the one to turn those people into living corpses in the first place, but in the novel, WWX explicitly said he never used or made living corpses, that was all XY. It's one of the things that sets their approach to their cultivation apart. It's completely against WWX's morals and it further blurs the line between WWX and the villains. CQL had already done that by making WRH a demonic cultivator and giving WWX's cultivation a history associated with evil (thus validating those who condemned WWX for it, which is entirely different from the novel). However, to me having WWX manipulate the living corpses is crossing the line, because that's something so un-WWX-like, and something WWX finds despicable. In the novel, WWX even said XY needed to die after seeing everything XY did and I find it very disrespectful towards the source material to have WWX manipulate living corpses.

[plan-d-to-i]

I just had a whiplash reading this and I never thought I have the need to defend Novel!JC this much. I don't know if this person actually read the book, but it's hilarious that she assumed MXTX hating JC for making him a "2D" character with little character development based on what they read on the MDZS wiki page. I really want to remind this person that JC is a side character and a plot device to create conflicts for the main protagonists in the novel, so why the f MXTX needed to put more "character development" for JC? This novel is about WWX and LWJ, not JC. And it seems like someone ate up the "angry-crying face" expression WCZ to think clq!JC is better and more nuance than novel!JC, lol. For an adaptation pushed for the Yunmeng bros so much, the fact WWX still ended up being devoured by the cultivation world and dropped to death by his so-called brother, made clq!JC's actions and choices have zero senses.

LOL "nuances" ?!?!!? wzc wouldn't recognize a nuance if someone beamed it straight into his brain. Dude had his facial muscles firing on all cylinders for every scene.

Also someone tell these people jiang cheng is not a real person. MXTX created him. She wrote him to be exactly what he's supposed to be; a basic asshole who ends up alone. He serves his purpose in the story as a foil to LWJ (and WangXian in general). wzc scream/sniveling his way through the show is not character development. It's just terrible acting:

Seriously this is unwatchable.

[vrishchikawrites]

I actually wanted to know why do cql onlies said that wwx is morally grey like what gives? Is it because wrh is the supreme of all evil lord in the live action, does it make them think, oh someone needs to defeat this psycho, it's this person! Since this person adopted the long ancient method unearthed by some supreme evil lord psycho, they're morally grey like what? Who's gonna say that now even WRH might be morally grey even if he is supreme lord of evil in cql portrayal is literally in the face? CQL takes are... not it. (No I don't watch cql but I read cql fanfic so I only know of wwx being framed, and yin iron wtf is that. Fuck yin iron)

If you ask me, the whole concept of black, white, and grey morality is somewhat flawed because you're trying to fit into boxes something that's so subjective, that is based on circumstances, societal factors, motivations, and other complex influences. But I understand it is a literary device that's often employed and is considered a valid way to frame characters in the writing community. That aside -

WEI WUXIAN ISN"T MORALLY GREY. He's the very definition of a person who isn't morally grey.

Now, I believe that many fans subscribe to the notion 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' (while misunderstanding the quote, btw). That means despite WWX's good intentions and righteous ideals, his actions were bad and caused harm. That particular quote is an accurate representation of this situation, I feel. Morality in most religions and spiritual teaching isn't as straightforward.

The quote I've mentioned means that the road to hell is an easy, broad path with wide open gates. The road to heaven is narrow, thorny path, difficult to navigate, and often has consequences. The gate is also very narrow.

Alternatively, it means that just good intentions don't matter, you need to back your intentions with hard, righteous actions. This is, from what I understand the western look at the concept.

Again, fans probably consider this to mean that WWX's good intentions don't matter - his actions and their impact do.

Eastern view also says something similar. Basically, for righteousness, you may have to stand against your society, your family, and countless other forces. The path will be difficult, it will cause harm to yourself and others. Following the right path isn't easy and it can be destructive, violent, and revolutionary. Sometimes you have a large mountain in the path to doing the right thing. You can't move around it and you need to smash it to go ahead. While you may be punished for it in life, you will be rewarded for it after life (entry into heaven, better reincarnation, or ultimately, nirvana)

If you read properly and have a good understanding of characterization, this whole concept becomes very clear. If you don't and focus on surface factors - like CQL-WWX's self-criticism, weeping, and guilt, JC's baseless accusations, JYL's sacrifice being considered WWX's fault, the JZX's death being considered WWX's fault instead of an escalation in a tense, hostile situation, etc.

People who don't actually understand grey morality will immediately label this as grey morality. Thing is, WWX's morality is never in question. He is righteous to the very end. The only situation where he can be considered anywhere remotely grey is during SSC where he goes overboard against the enemy.

Also, a high moral ground is earned. Even if you consider WWX's actions during SSC as morally grey, he earns his 'white' morality with his actions after the war.

so, tl:dr - some fans think WWX's actions and decisions undermine his morality and weaken his character because they lead to harm. They don't think his actions and decisions are because of his righteous morality and sometimes doing what's right has unpleasant consequences for all. LITERALLY - LOOK AT HISTORY.

[annalacerda17]

What makes CQL onlies think they are qualified to criticize MDZS, a book they haven't read, and it's author? Having watched an adaptation doesn't qualify you to judge the source material.

CQL is vastly different from MDZS in regards to themes, characterization (especially wangxian) and plot. Part of it is due to censorship, but a lot of it is a result of wanting to hype some popular ships and some of it comes from a blatant lack of understanding of the deeper themes the novel is about. In CQL, all of the characterizations are all over the place. The timeline was moved around and the order in which the audience finds out about what happened in the past is changed. In the novel, those things happen the way they do for a reason, and changing it affected the novel's themes.

There's nothing wrong with liking CQL, but CQL alone is not enough to qualify anyone to discuss the book, let alone criticize it, because CQL is an adaptation, in a different medium, that tells superficially similar but actually different story. And watching CQL alone especially does not qualify anyone to criticize MXTX, because CQL is not her work, for all that it's based on her book.

[plan-d-to-i]

I find amusing when some metas tagged as a MDZS use CQL gif sets to prove their points, especially when they quote JC (WCZ) expression in X scene... I think the actor is cute, but I don't think his performance could be used to analyse MDZS.

The only thing "his performance" can accurately be used for is to torture my eyeballs with the most pained looking acting I've ever seen.

...y

[plan-d-to-i]

Hey plan!!

So i read first mdzs before i wanted to watch the live action. So here i was excited to watch the drama thinking that "oh maybe they'll follow the story" AND BAM first episode in we have newly resurrected wwx freezing someone without talismans or something?? and i was like "what is happening😀" and in that moment i realized that in the next episodes it will probably go downhill😀 AND I WAS RIGHT 😀 i literally skipped a lot because nothing makes sense. like wow am i even watching the adaptation of mdzs or something else?? so i naturally did not finish it because i cannot stomach the acting especially jc's so i just googled what happened in cql AND I REGRETTED IT. i was so confused about the yin iron thing that i raged about it like WTF EVEN IS A YIN IRON?? aside from that there were clips of wwx and lwj just staring at each other?? i dunno what to feel about that but that's certainly not that romantic for me and what's certainly not romantic for me was the DIALOGUE like WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT WWX BEGGING LWJ TO KILL HIM??

And as a trusted source of information and someone who watched cql... Plan were those staring scenes and shit ass dialogues REALLY SOUND romantic?? Because so many cql people screamed about how dRaMaTiC and rOmAnTiC those were😀

And when you think that it could've been worse if fans hadn't intervened after leaks during filming. (link 1 & link 2)

Hi!! („• ᴗ •„) ♡

I mean I'm shallow af, so the reason I watch is bc Xiao Zhan, Wang Yibo & Wang Haoxuan are running around on screen (｡・//ε//・｡) but let's not kid ourselves. the acting? The Story?! THE PLOT?! ... 🥴 Chief Cultivator LWJ?!!~ ah Yes MDZS, the story of LWJ abandoning WWX to pursue his dream of a political career 🥴🥴

Yang Xia's writing sucked. Once you look past the swelling music and pretty faces there's no substance or logic. The LWJ slander! They have him defending the Burial Mounds... after uh everybody died? They have him trying to stop WWX from saving the Wens... in the rain... It just removed everything that makes their relationship and the buildup of it so moving and powerful. The Yin Iron arc of sheer nonsense. The whole "it's about family🥺 Yunmeng sibs 🥺🥺"...no it's really not. And then you have clowns going like: "omg !! cql!! they understood romance!!! none of that gross gay sex~ fornicating in a bush >:0"... 🌝

[plan-d-to-i]

If you ever want to torture yourself read the comments on the cql youtube video’s. I’ll never forget when someone posted part of wwx confession in the comments and someone commented on it saying that they feel like it’s too cheesy and that it’s too fast for lwj’s personality?? How are you literally criticising the confession when you haven’t read the novel? You will also find a lot of censorship is good or sex is bad comments. I will always regret reading the comments, it gave me way to many headaches.

"too cheesy" ?!?!? WWX's confession is the bees knees, the cat's pajamas. These weak ppl could never.

Alas, I don't even have to look that far for absurd shit like that bc it's right here: "it's incredibly depressing that a censored adaptation managed to portray their romance better than the novel".

Lol it's incredibly depressing that ppl have the capacity to inflict opinions like that on the world wide web but here we all are. Sometimes this fandom feels like it's millimeters away from just outright saying: "all that gay stuff is fine as long as it's unspoken/ innuendo and I don't have to actually hear about it or see it".