#david kammerer

[anyataylorjoys]

KILL YOUR DARLINGS (2013) dir. John Krokidas

[doubtspirit]

Kill Your Darlings (2013) dir. John Krokidas

“Another lover hits the universe. The circle is broken. But with death comes rebirth. And like all lovers and sad people, I am a poet.”

[allen-inwonderland]

Kill Your Darlings is undeniably a dark academia movie, but it’s academic the way Taco Bell is Mexican food.

I’m talking plagiarism, skipping class, vandalizing classics, rejecting popular literature, and spending more time talking about writing something than actually writing it. It’s beautiful.

[apexdetmer]

for The Love Club....

[flowersforfrancis]

[michaelchallpics]

Woah....it´s been 10 years since this movie was released. "Kill Your Darlings" with Michael C. Hall as David Kammerer.

A movie about the beat poets Allen Ginsberg, Lucian Carr, William Burroughs and Jack Kerouac before they were famous.

[songsna]

Kill Your Darlings

Maybe I just have a different point of view compared to others, but I have seen a lot of comments about how horrible it is how the movie depicted David Kammerer as sympathetic and pitiful.

I seem to be one of the very few people who watched the movie and didn’t think him to be sympathetic and don’t quite understand why people came to the conclusion.

Let me explain my feelings towards the movie and characters (which are more or less based on true events) :

We know that David Kammerer stalked Lucien, in real life and in the movie. There’s really not a nice way to put it. Why doesn’t Lucien fight back and instead sometimes went with him? Because some people go back to their abusers, it’s not that hard to understand.

That doesn’t make it right. He fed David in his obsession and used him. We need to stop thinking about how we live NOW and think about how it was during that time. Think about how David treated Lucien during the movie. He always says how much he loves him and how he would do anything for him, breaks into his ROOM. If that isn’t manipulative as well, I don’t know what is. The stalking makes it even more horrible.We have an awareness nowadays about these kind of people.

The first thing we learn in today’s time is to NOT reply to stalkers or just persistent people, to just ignore them. ANY attention feeds their obsession. When a guy I rejected started to constantly write to me, he threatened to kill himself or to “come over to where I live”, I asked for an opinion of people. What did they tell me to do? Some told me to “reply to him and reject him again” while some said “Ignore!” 

To reply to such behaviour is the wrong thing to do. Lucien made a mistake but he didn’t know any better, in my opinion. As most people during that time, and even now.

David Kammerer tried to play with Lucien’s feeling and empathy and tried to chain him to himself. As most groomers do. That DOES make him pathetic and pitiful. But David made himself look like a victim when he is NOT. He’s pitiful but not a victim.

And the movie seems to play on the viewer’s feelings as well. Because even some of the viewers seemed to think the movie’s message is that David’s a poor guy.

Let me start on Allen Ginsberg now: He’s the narrator, especially at the end. People tend to “sympathize” to narrators and think that what they say is the correct opinion. Not sure how it was in real life, but Ginsberg seemed to have an obsession towards Lucien as well. The letter, the story he told was creepy and obsessive and wrong in my opinion. He may be the narrator but being the narrator of a story doesn’t make the character flawless. And many viewers need to be reminded of that. I read many books where the narrator is morally questionable. Which is why I don’t think of Ginsberg as a poor, lovesick guy who got manipulated by Lucien and couldn’t hurt a fly.

The murder is a whole other story. We don’t know if Lucien really murdered David for trying to rape him. Maybe he was just fed up and took the chance to kill him and knew he wouldn’t go to jail for defending his honor (as it was called during that time)

Maybe David DID try to rape him. We don’t know for sure. No one knows the truth.

My opinion stands that no one is completely innocent, but David Kammerer especially isn’t.

Thus said: I freaking LOVE the actors in this movie. Each and everyone of them was awesome.

[katefaith18]

Kill Your Darlings

--William S. Burroughs: Show me the man who is both sober and happy, and I will show you the crinkled anus of a lying asshole.