#derek bashing

[ssensual-politics]

4X14, GREY’s ANATOMY

[airasora]

Imho the party thing is an extremely clumsily written attempt to show that Derek loves her swan or no swan. The food bit specifically always made me laugh as a kid because he sounds like he's concerned he may poison her on accident (... would you serve this to a swan...?) Like it's not swan themed food, it's food a swan can eat. It also bears mentioning that swans were associated with his (and hers, there's swan stuff at the baby party iirc) kingdom. That's why the locket has a swan on it (and she seemed perfectly happy to wear it again, even after everything), and why the golden curtain weights during the ball have swans on them, and other smaller background details. So maybe they were animals she loved before and that's why Rothbart chose a swan? Maybe the dress wasn't even created by him and he just made a copy of the one she was expected to wear. After all, he also replicates her crown; wedding dresses could be made well in advance and she was engaged since birth.

Also, credit where credit is due, Derek didn't know what the ball was for, his mother lied to him about it because she knew he wanted Odette and no one else. And then Uberta showed up to the wedding with A SWAN SHAPED HAIRDO XD

Like to be clear I still think he's a terrible boyfriend but the party comes off as more clumsy than anything else and certain things weren't him lol

(Also apparently it's Odette who wanted a swan armed force right at the end so this whole bit is a mess xD)

That's the thing though: if Rothbart did indeed choose to make Odette a swan cause swans are the kingdom's international animal or something like that, that really still shouldn't make Odette ok with the trauma 😂

Everything about Derek and Odette's romance is clumsily written. It's so sad cause the first song and the entire opening is SO GOOD and memorable. It could have been such a good movie, but they mucked it up xD

Also, while I do agree that Derek doesn't know EXACTLY what the ball is for, Uberta only says it's for "a few friends, and their daughters" secretly at one point, but he still seems to think he's running the show cause he starts saying HE doesn't want red roses, HE wants WHITE roses as if he knows the ball is FOR HIM... so either he does know what his mom is planning, or he thinks his opinion triumphs his mother's despite HER planning the ball. Derek doesn't come off looking good in either scenario xD

I took a look at the movie to find all the swan references and there aren't actually that many in total. Definitely not enough for me to think that swans were particularly important to the kingdoms, just some hee-hee ha-ha foreshadowing by the artists xD

And it wasn't Odette who wanted a swan-armed air force, that was Derek. Puffin says, and I quote: "The prince wants a fighting air force." I checked the scene to make sure, and he says prince and not princess :)

I wish you were right though, that would be a bit more evil and hilarious if Rothbart chose a swan because Odette loved swans or the kingdom had a special bond to swans or something. That would be so good xD

In the long run though, this is just a kids movie and we can analyze and interpret everything, but let's be honest... the developers did not put nearly as much thought into all these tiny details as we do. Uberta's swan shaped hair near the end was 100% just for the sake of the joke of her shadow looking like "the great animal" to make Bromley faint with fear. And they chose a swan cause irony, there's most likely nothing deeper to it than that, but it's fun to think of theories and interpretations! 😊

Also, sidenote: Apparantly Derek's kingdom is named Chamberg...?

As ANOTHER sidenote... Derek says he wants the music to be: "Rubato, soft and graceful." That... is not what rubato means.

Rubato is translated to "stolen time", the best definition of rubato in music is the freedom or flexibility to choose your own tempo for a part or a phrase of music.

So he also doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about despite Rogers being his musician tutor. Nevermind the fact that Rogers is right when he makes the tuba play when Derek asks what Rogers thinks a swan sounds like. Swans may LOOK elegant, but their voices certainly aren't x'D