#dnplot

[underfell]

BLAH BLAH BLAH MORE DEFERNULL SPAMTON

YOU HATE TO SEE THIS GUY AGAIN I KNOW..

NO STRUCTURE!!!! IMAGES !! THAT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND !!!

but this time I have a music video ! that I feel is very integral to him during the BS era.

SO CRAZIEST THING EVER.

I already had DN Spamton's Big Shot era so vivid in my mind, but it was very hard to describe it. That is until this MV showed up and perfectly explains it for me.

The way this entire video plays out is exactly how I see DN Spamton's BS era ( and even a little bit of present day Tenna) RIGHT DOWN TO THE HAIR. THE DEMEANOR...THE SENSATIONALISM..THATS HIM!!

AND THE EYETWITCHING....

LIKE IT WAS SOOO SCARY WHEN I SAW THIS VIDEO BECAUSE OF HOW PERFECT IT WAS...

He is NOT a tv evangelical, but the way he'd approach sales and etc etc is LIKE one..if that makes sense?? Manipulative tactics, again the sensationalism, the god complex lol

He really thought he was invincible.

ANYTHING HE TOUCHED...HE COULD SELL..

There was probably every kind of merch of him. From bobble heads to slippers...maybe even aprons...maybe even shot glasses....maybe even the glass queen would use..who knows...

I still think he'd live in her mansion, his dynamic with Queen and Mansion staff will come later.

Yeah, I can see this is how they carry him around in the mansion..sure..swimming in his own paradise.

He just had a way with words ! He had many fans !

He was a hit! Everyone needed a piece of that paradise he was selling!

(I'll draw this later, but pretend all of the Addison's are in suits that are in the same color as them- i.e Blue Addison in a Blue suit.)

He still took all of the Addison's business, BUT HERE...instead of them ditching him, he offered them to work for him.

In no way I think.. this was out of the kindness of his heart, but more to belittle them? If that makes sense.. a bit out of spite just to gloat about how he made them. Making it clear that at the end of the day, He was the one calling the shots.

He practically had all of cyber world eating at the palm of his hands.

I'd like to think they properly met because Tenna asked to interview him, and the CROWD LOVED THEIR DYNAMIC!!!!! " WE WANT MORE" THEY CHEERED!!

Anyway, So far I just feel like Tenna would've come across how much of a success Spamton was, and in Defernull I feel like Tenna had more at stake in terms of staying relevant or just "being watched". ( reasons why I'll decide on later). He was really banking on Spamton filling him in on the secret to how he pulled it off.

Spamton would've seen Tenna as an opportunity to become MUCH bigger than he already is. " As seen on TV" gets you more credibility than any old ad you come across online.

AS FOR HIS EVENTUAL DOWNFALL....I'LL TOUCH ON THAT LATER !! JUST KNOW ..JUST LIKE DR SPAMTON...WANTING MORE...COULD LEAD YOU TO DARK PLACES !! NO MATTER HIGH UP YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE!!!!

also fyi I have said this before...

Tenna becoming the way he is, is not a result of how Spamton treated him, He witnessed Spamton's eventual spiral into madness and becoming addicted to said madness.

Spamton dipping was a catalyst.

Tenna changed because he felt like he had no other option BUT to change. He just ended up losing himself.

OK ITS LATE MY EYES ARE GOING OUT OF FOCUS...AS ALWAYS I SHALL LET YOU KNOW IF I EDIT ANYTHING!!!!

bonus: if it means anything to anyone Witch Doctor by the Cartoons is also a song that I've heavily associated with Spamton.

The "You" could have many different meanings in my opinion...

(like the Addisons, general Cyber World public, him wanting attention from whoever, etc etc idk)

and the "Witch Doctor" is obv whoever it is on the phone.

[underfell]

Defernull Spamton and Tenna Dissection.

Defernull is brand spanking new and is an AU based off of an unfinished game. So things Will Most Likely change, whether it be tomorrow or when the new chapter comes out. Who knows.

I’m not going to lie, it’s going to be a little difficult for me to describe Tenna and Spamton’s characterizations in Defernull along with their situationship without it being a word vomit. Like all of this is purely me spitballing.

I'm currently only using MTT as a foundation for these two in terms to overarching themes. Once I renew the UF MTT design I'll come back to explaining this.

KEEP IN MIND, SOME OF THIS COULD CHANGE. THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE ANALYSIS, CONSIDER THIS A FIRST DRAFT. GO EASY ON ME!!!!!

SPAMTON

Spamton is harder to get a grasp on purely because of not knowing what his overarching role is in Deltarune.

Anyway, I picture Spamton as some "cleaned up" Conman who says he's not the same guy he was before, but really he's just saying that so you'd let your guard down. He acts invested and overly ecstatic to try and earn one's trust, despite having full intention of betraying them to get what he wants. Maybe he uses mirroring as a way to get what he wants too? The odds are in your favor, he's here to help you !!! (YOU SCRATCH HIS BACK HE'LL STAB YOURS!!!)

This song by musician neutrina really helped me figure him out more because of the title itself, WANT WHATCHA NEED? YOU GOTTA JUST TAKE IT.

IMO THAT'S EXACTLY what it is, that line I feel is how DN Spamton would carry himself throughout possibly every era. Also, probably a line he would've said to Tenna during the time they spent together.

Which I think would've put Tenna off at some point.

It goes without saying that Spamton really deep dove into the madness, almost like an addiction. Maybe he thought he was a bit invincible during his big shot era. Really basking in his success.

Also, he definitely lives in his car at the dump. A thank you and Credit to Milkaroos for that genius idea.

TENNA

I want to say instead of being afraid of being abandoned/not liking change like DR Tenna,

DN Tenna’s problem would be more so that maybe he’s a bit apathetic. He’s comfortable with how things are because he worked hard to keep it all together despite losing himself (The Apathy) practically becoming desensitized in a way?

He’s probably not happy, but he’s comfortable. This is what he wanted, right? Type of deal.

He can front like no one's ever fronted before. He's serious, he means business, and You will trust that he's always right.

His thinly veiled anger management issues...(idk where to put this)

I think the deal with him too is that he'd 180 from who he initially was (that being closer to his DR counterpart), which is where the whole "losing oneself" comes from. He'd use tactics he originally didn't want to use or believe in using. But then forced himself to use.

Tactics including the Hypnosis Channel, Subliminal Messages, fearmongering, Twisting the narrative. (JUST LIKE REAL TV, BABY!!!)

I might even go on a whim and say these tactics might be some that Spamton might've brought up to him before their eventual separation.

I believe both Spamton and Tenna influenced each other in different points of their lives..? Tenna rejecting Spamton's initial ideas, but then eventually falling into the same habits/mindset as Spamton in order to stay relevant and "Successful".

THEIR RELATIONSHIP (A HEAVY WIP)

I think here it would be more prominent, I’m trying to mirror Underfell’s Alphyne already dating and getting engaged at the end of the trust/closure routes. IN A WAY. So bear with me.

One of those - they kind of know they’re together, but don’t really outright make it “official” deals. At first, it definitely was just business, Tenna wanting to know his secret, Spamton riding off of Tenna's already present significance and stardom. One thing led to another etc etc etc. CLOSE, but not TOO close. Definitely no I love You's being said here. Maybe one of them thought about it? Who knows.

All I've gathered so far is that the two were definitely a bit closer than their DR counterparts here.

AT SOME POINT, Spamton becomes more and more addicted to the madness.

Tenna definitely witnesses him going off the deep end in real time, it gets to a point where Tenna tries to break off their "Private Business" aka their unspoken relationship, thinking that maybe that would give him a reality check. Obviously it doesn't.

They both convinced themselves it wasn't anything special.

I want to say after Tenna broke it off, they both revert to pursuing their initial goals. Trying to get secrets, life advice, bigger from each other. It's a little messy, idk.

Instead of Tenna sweet-talking Spamton to let him in on his secret, Tenna would've probably given him an ultimatum? Another shot? I'm still figuring this out, but Spamton would still leave. Without a word.

Which forces Tenna into a last resort, using the hypnosis channel on Asgore to get better signal. (The new Rabbit Ears) Which is where his whole 180 would come in.

Random: Instead of "tropic of love" island for Defernull I think there'd be something called "LAST RESORT" because that's basically what Tenna would've come to, a last resort. Lawl.

Annnyywayyy That's ALL I got so far, my word vomit.

THIS IS NOT ALL OF MY THOUGHTS.. THERE IS SOOOO MUCH MORE...THIS IS JUST ENOUGH TO AT LEAST GET A BALL ROLLING.

I TRULY HOPE THIS MAKES SOME KIND OF SENSE.

Thank you for reading.

[underfell]

MORE DEFERNULL SPAMTON LORE (KIND OF)

ONCE AGAIN NO STRUCTURE !!! I AM JUST SHOWING YOU IMAGES AND MILDLY COMMENTING ON THEM!!

JUST... MY OWN PERSONAL TAKE WITH ADDISPAM...

ANYWAY...

Still a guy down on his luck, short stack, too much of a try hard. ( JUST LIKE THE OTHER GUY!)

Even worse he can't get his hair to stay in the style he prefers.

He still gets teased, probably even more so here. I like to think Defernull Spamton actually DOES NOT like being referred to as "Spammy" because it comes off as a dig to his methods of trying to sell. (STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!!!!) <- him in his head probably

To him it just comes across like he's being told he's annoying or less than.

He still goes to cyber grill with the Addisons. Except here I don't think he outright tells them " Just you watch! Someday I'm going to be a big shot!"

I'd like to think this guy monologues in his head ..." Just you watch...someday I'm going to be a bigshot. "

Just imagine him silent seething sitting down while all the other Addisons are laughing amongst themselves.

I definitely feel like he personally believed he was destined for greatness and that's what frustrated him the most. Was that he somehow couldn't achieve it, that is until he's "found".

WE DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THIS YET SO THIS IS ULTRA HEADCANON TERRITORY...

JUST LIKE THAT he becomes a big shot, that " destined for greatness" belief now becoming a reality ! And IT ONLY GETS HIGHER FROM HERE BABY !!!!!

I do think the phone he has is different, it would only receive calls. I like to think whoever it is, is keeping an eye on him at all times and would know when Spamton is ready to listen again.

literally this phone.

ALSO..the "Spammy Mailman" I feel like the Addisons or others would generally just refer to him by.

guy who took that mocking nickname and made it SOMETHING BIGGER !!!!

OK that's all I got for now. Big shot era soon yaaaaay.

Again whenever I add more info here, I'll let everyone know !!

[underfell]

My awesome Defernull lore takes (mostly images) will come out in bursts, I don't want it to start feeling like a chore, so doing it this way feels a bit better to me.

I WON'T HAVE STRUCTURE HERE, BEAR WITH ME.

ALRIGHT WITH THAT BEING SAID. I'M JUST GOING TO PASTE DRAWINGS AND MY THOUGHTS.

Did you know? Defernull spamton has TWO hairstyles?

One for trying to keep up the facade that he's on the good side ! The other for when...oh that's just him.

I imagine when he starts losing his patience when upholding his NICE GUY act strands of his hair starts to comically become undone.

Some drawings of how I imagine he generally carries himself.

" I SEE THAT [WEAR & TEAR] IN YOUR EYES H0TSH0T!! YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO BE [[ ]]"

imagine a reallllyy long pause between the brackets, afterwards he'd burst out in laughter.

HE BELIEVES IN YOU !! HE KNOWS THERE'S GREATER THINGS FOR YOU!! JUST LIKE HE THINKS THERE'S GREATER THINGS FOR HIM!!! IT'S DESTINED!! OR AT LEAST HE BELIEVES HE'S DESTINED !!

( **YES** SPAMTON WOULD STILL YEARN FOR THAT SWEET SWEET FREEDOM. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE LOL. )

him being persistent idk

I thought about how his car dump shop would look like and this is the general idea, his phone would be white instead of black.

I also think it wouldn't have a number pad. Maybe sometimes when he hits a low he thinks there are numbers and starts pressing them.

I think down the line of doing his Odd Jobs, the act just drops entirely.

Like his laughing would just become more and more frequent,

JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW I AM A VISUALS KINDA GUY....IF YOU NEED ME TO DIVE DEEPER PLEASE SEND ME AN ASK !!! IT HELPS ME !!!

I really am just sending this to form some kind of foundation of what kind of character I envision him for this AU..

okay last one.

I'll let ya'll know if I come back to add more descriptions later. I rushed this a little because I GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE.

[underfell]

just a bunch of hoo-ha

context for the first one, cornily exploring more about UF/DN being mirrored counterparts and how maybe the secret bosses or anyone related to secret anything would Already Know.

this whole post is that honestly

[underfell]

I know you said that Kris, Susie, Ralsei, etc. aren’t very fleshed out yet, but I beg of you, regardless of how they turn out to be, please make Susie and Tenna still be friends regardless of how edgy they are.

YES...I feel like there is a scene that is very formed in my head that IS STILL being fleshed out.

but I do feel like they'd still have a bond.

idk I just know the scene starts off like this outside in some balcony (yes a balcony there is a balcony somewhere) where Tenna is taking a smoke break.

I dont think she'd say it this way I'm still figuring out the way she would speak, but this is the gist.

See the thing is that Tenna puts out the cigar after Susie calls him out on it but in the sense that like it's because *she's* there. Not because it's bad for *him* but because he's exposing her to the secondhand smoke.

ANOTHER THING IS that he didn't put it out immediately when she showed up and I think this would get to him because he'd probably catch himself that he didn't. When before he would've already put it out at the first sound of a footstep. To him it'd be a moment of like " Oh my god, who the fuck am I." ( he wouldn't say it like this but this is the general idea) Anyway, It makes him sink deeper into this whole identity crisis. Which is why like the entirety of CH.3 it's just Tenna slowly losing grasp on all of the control he's had while losing more and more of who he was.

I am rambling . I hope...this makes sense...

[underfell]

I’m curious are the horns and tail optional on DN Spamton? Why does he have those? Just an opposition to the angel imagery for DR Spamton?

So his tail and horns were definitely something I drew because I thought it'd be cute if he had a demon theme instead of an angel theme for Defernull. Back when we didn't know that Tenna would be the one to bear the demon theme. That those themes assigned to them would also parallel off of Kris and Noelle too.

drew this back when chapter 2 came out ^^^

SO I THOUGHT REALLY HARD ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP THE DEMON THEME ON HIM!!! AND IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTNER LORE ( KRIS AND NOELLE)

I DO NOT HAVE ACTUAL LORE SET AND STONE FOR THESE TWO. OR THEIR FAMILIES.

NOT YET.

So far I want to imagine that Kris would get a pair of wings to go with the horns they're given after they ask when their horns would grow in.

I also feel like Noelle would also have a matching set. Maybe the parents bought it for them together. This is still up in the air.

Anyway, I still do think Kris and Noelle would be close here. Maybe closer? maybe Kris isn't pranking her as much here. MAYBE.

BUT WHAT I DO HAVE. Is a scene in my mind of how their themes "swap" and it's genuinely just Kris drawing themselves with Noelle's angel wings.

and then them going home with each other's wings.

This is how I imagine Tenna and Spamton would "swap" their own themes as well.

I say "swap" because overall they would still have their original themes, Tenna still having the demon theme, Spamton with the angel theme.

but they're both so reflective off of each other at some point that it ends with them getting it mixed up. (Lightner lore being Noelle and Kris swapping their wings)

Pieces of themselves staying with the other, probably not knowing presently that they still have it.

Also throughout the story or "canon" the demon horns and wings would still only show up for the minispams.

saying that just in case if ...maybe thats what you might've meant..

[underfell]

Is there an equivalent to the Delta Rune prophecy in Underfell?

Yes and No, because we the audience don’t know what the Deltarune ultimately entails or how it is fulfilled I can’t definitely say what the Defernull equivalent could be at this time.

For now in my head the prophecy for Defernull whilst tying in Underfell CURRENTLY revolves around the concept of:

when a mirror breaks, one missing (or shattered) piece can change the shape and reflection entirely.

When I say broken I mean you can still piece it together and the concept of the reflection is present. You are still able to see a reflected person or image. In all of their(it’s) original sense.

When a piece or pieces are completely shattered or missing the image starts to distort more and more in the mirror. Changing the image entirely, beyond from what it’s reflecting off of.

The details in how this is a realized prophecy I’ve yet to work out, but that’s like the general foundation concept right now.