#dsmp rewatch

[bleue-flora]

I think it’s very telling that when Dream was part of accidentally killing Punz’s bee, he immediately left an apology and 29 diamonds. [2:31:14]

But when Tommy accidentally killed Tubbo’s bee, he burned down his house. [post] [2:31:14]

[yes, Purpled and Punz are the firefighters there]

Mind you, a house that Dream helped rebuild and left a gift with [2:07:49] [post]

Though of course it’s only fair to mention that Tommy (off screen) did later leave an apology and 27 diamonds [1:26], however it should also be noted that Tubbo originally asked for 20 diamonds as reparations for Tommy stealing from him and killing his bee, to which Tommy then burned down his house instead.

So, I think the point still stands. I mean talk about a difference in reactions… And to me, it’s the stark contrast in the little things like this in the beginning that tell me a lot about a character and their default behavior and motivations. Like clearly one of these is a far more wholesome reaction than the other, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that I’d root for Dream over Tommy, and yet it’s commonly seen as unreasonable, even though this is the comparison. Like remind me again how, even before the first nation rose, Dream was labeled the villain and Tommy the hero…

[sora-theo]

do you guys think the butcher army was justified in attacking techoblade?

techno did set withers loose and attack thier county, but then he retired

tubbo original wanted to avoid violence, but eventually agrees with quackity to hunt down techno and bring him back to L'manburg to hold a public execution (they call it a trial, but then reveal it never was a trial in the first place) as payment for said withers and attack

but this also brings techno out of retirement and causes doomsdays in retaliation

do you think the searching through phil's house for the compass, threatening techno's horse, and disguising the execution as a trial, and others things related to the 'hog hunt' was okay, and that the execution was justified in the end?

vote here (reblog for more voters)

yes, and the way they went about it was fine

yes, but they should have gone about it differently

no, it wasn't justified

other (comment/reblog)

Voting ended onJan 10

[deadkraker]

am I crazy

is that

is that a fucking homestuck emote, in tubbos first ever dsmp stream

[wormliness]

rewatching wilbur’s dream smp vods from the very start and there’s just something so unknowably poetic about eret’s very first lines being “hello. i’ve had a change of heart.”

[bleue-flora]

I just can’t get over how wholesome Punz is. Like after they accidentally killed his bee, he finds out they are stuck in the nether and offers to help.

Then he straight up dives into the lava to recover the pickaxe Dream accidentally dropped. [2:51:51]

He also rescues Dream with fire res after a failed clutch

[2:54:02] Dream: “Oh, he has extra fire res. Punz is such a nice guy, George. Did you know?”

And after Sapnap and George fight and his helmet breaks, Punz gives George a netherite ingot to make a new one. :) [3:04:55]

[bleue-flora]

Something I found interesting in my rewatching of the exile arc the other day is the fact that c!Tubbo tries so hard to protect c!Tommy while also trying to keep the nation’s best interests in mind. He offers probation, court trial, stripping c!Tommy of his title, anything to avoid war, walls and losing his friend, but c!Tommy makes things worse every step of the way. The fact that c!Tubbo catches so much slack is sad because he tried so hard to save c!Tommy and yet there’s only so much he can do when c!Tommy outright confesses to his goal of provoking Dream.

[44:53] Tommy: “Now I’ve done—now I’ve had my big war, I want my discs back. I’m out to piss off Dream. I’m out to get my discs back.”

[46:47] Dream: “But listen, Tommy is Tommy. He’s never gonna stop he already said his goal is to piss me off and if you want that as somebody in your nation that—that—even if he doesn’t have power. You know, there’s not that many members of L’manberg, like he’s one of them.”

Because at that point he becomes a liability to the safety of the people and buildings of L’manberg. Even if this conflict can be resolved he has admitted to planning to seek out more. And while c!Tubbo has been by c!Tommy’s side for these wars over and over again like for example the disc saga, I think it shows a great amount of not just logic but compassion for not wanting to drag everyone into wars they didn’t sign up for just because c!Tommy wants to keep acting out. Because while c!Tubbo will always chose to risk his life for c!Tommy’s wars it is unfair to make the people of L’manberg do so. (Yet again an example of nations dividing friendship because if c!Tubbo wasn’t president and things were simple like in the beginning he totally would rush into battle alongside c!Tommy.) Which is such an admirable respect for people’s lives and creations that c!Tommy has rarely shown c!Tubbo.

And I think the fact that so many people see this situation as a betrayal of L’manberg versus recognizing the complicated politics at play shows just how persuasive c!Tommy’s pov is. Because c!Tubbo summarizes it perfectly.

[48:37] Tubbo: “Tommy, there’s one big difference between you and Dream. Dream can go around and kill people, cuz guess what? Dream isn’t vice president and you are. Actions have consequences.”

At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter what c!Dream does or did or whether c!Dream tried to frame c!Tommy with explosions he did with c!Puffy, it only matters what c!Tommy did because of his affiliation with a nation, and not even just what he did but what he himself promised to continue to do…

[bleue-flora]

wow sapnap… now that’s some sad forshadowing or something… :(

✂️ they can come and visit you…

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Sapnap: “Tommy, think of it this way, whenever you’re like in prison you can’t just go and visit your friends, but they can come and visit you.”

it’s almost like you should’ve visited Dream in prison or something, while he sat there all alone…

[bleue-flora]

Don’t worry I’m not becoming a Tommy apologist. But I will say that I found something odd. Like I kinda understand why he blew their stuff up at the beginning of exile, but Dream leaves that stream saying, “See you never”

✂️ I’ll see you never.

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And yet returns the next day where he demands Tommy give up things for him to destroy. First he lets Tommy chose then insists he give up the armor, which Tommy response with how he got it himself and making the remark about how he followed Dream’s rules, why is Dream coming back to seemingly punish him.

✂️ I’ve done your shit.

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And honestly, I do agree. Tommy did comply, so why just come by and take his armor, especially after saying previously how you weren’t gonna see him again… what changed?

I thought maybe the dethronement, but that happens before Tommy gets exiled, so it doesn’t necessarily explain his switch. It does explain, as I’ve said before, why Dream became so needlessly cruel during exile in general, likely blaming Tommy for his friends abandoning him.

But what happened between day 1 of exile and day 2 that made him go from wanting to leave and not return to being Tommy’s cruel baby monitor?…

Though while I can’t come up with a reason for this switch, it does still prove that exile was not originally intended to be what it became and that I think is notable. Dream didn’t set out to have Tommy be exiled specifically as an opportunity to hurt and manipulate him. No, that was added later.