I was scrolling through some of @fayrinferno 's posts and... If Leon was the first to set foot on Asgard, there's NO surprise or commentary that Isaac, then later (Zaiback) guards are there. Aslo, I don't recall, does Leon know they're Zaibackian? Does the Esca company know they're Zaibackian? Is Hitomi seeing Dryden's diary reading? Is it only us the audience that knows the truth?
Plothole much?
Personally I like to think that over the how many thousand years, at least a few people were passion-driven about Atlantis to attempt the trip to Asgard. Leon is the current 'crazy' who tried it.
🤔... Now I'm wondering if Dornkirk followed Leon. That makes logical sense.
Oh cool! Although I’m pretty sure fandom caught most. (oh, and I was even cited in this one! as was finalproblem! how swanky!)
THIS IS INTERESTING THO:
10. The bus/flower scene was inspired by the same thing happening in real life to a friend of Mark Gatiss called, aptly enough, Edmund Moriarty: “His daughter was very young and he’d been up all night with her and he got on the tube to White City and this very beautiful girl started smiling at him and he thought ‘Still got it!’ and he got all the way there and got to work, looked in the mirror and he had a flower in his hair and that’s what she’d been looking at” Gatiss told the audience at a December screening of the episode.
Here’s the article, under the cut!
After taking a fine-toothed comb to new Sherlock episode The Six Thatchers (well, watching it with one finger hovering over the pause button) here are a few items of note discovered, in addition to a handful of discoveries made by some very fine Sherlock detectives elsewhere…1. We know that Lady Smallwood’s British Intelligence code name is ‘Love’, leaving the Holmes brothers and Sir Edwin to divvy up ‘Antarctica’, ‘Langdale’ and ‘Porlock’ between them. Porlock (as well as being a village in Somerset whence came S.T. Coleridge’s famed interrupting ‘person from Porlock’) was the alias of an agent working for Moriarty in Conan Doyle novel The Valley Of Fear. Langdale Pike was a character in The Adventure Of The Three Gables. But Antarctica? Perhaps that’s a fittingly chilly name for “never been very good with [humans]” Mycroft?2. It looks as though the opening credits have been updated for series four. They now feature a post-swimming-pool-fight Sherlock, Watson standing in what looks like a well and a lump of something odd in one of Sherlock’s posh Ali Miller teacups.
3. It’s hardly hidden, but there seemed to be plenty of focus on 221B’s skull décor in the episode, which was all about the impossibility of outrunning death. Symbolism! Additionally, the black fish mobile in Rosie’s nursery could either be foreshadowing the location of her mother’s death, or, you know, just some fish.
4. This is what John was typing in his “221Back” blog entry:
And we’re back! Sorry I haven’t updated the blog for such a long time but things really have been very busy. You’ll have seen on the news about how Sherlock recovered the Mona Lisa. He described it as “an utterly dreary affair” and was much more interested in the the case of a missing horseshoe and how it was connected to a bright blue deckchair on Brighton beach.
I’ll try to write everything up when I get a chance but it’s not been missing portraits and horseshoes that have taken up my time.
I’m going to be a dad.
I mean, I thought I’d spent the last few years being a Dad to Sherlock, but it really doesn’t compare. The baby runs all of our lives. Maybe not THAT different to [….] I’ve fought in two wars, my best friend once faked his own death but none of that [….] terrifying and amazing and the biggest adventure I’ve been on.”
5. There's a teensy error here, apparently. Look closely at the screenshot of John Watson writing his blog and the filename revealing him to be ‘typing’ into a static JPG image file is on display. Source: Daily Edge
6. In Sir Arthur Conan Doyle story A Scandal In Bohemia, Sherlock Holmes tells John Watson “You see, but you do not observe.” In The Six Thatchers, he makes the same complaint to baby Rosie Watson.
7. The number 626 bus, which John takes to work, is a real bus line running from Finchley to Potter’s Bar.
8. The advert on the side of John’s bus is for ‘Strawb Fizz’, sweets with ‘explosive flavour’. That’s not a real product as far as know, so must have been custom-made, but why? Could there be an explosion in Sherlock’s future? Or some strawberries...
9. As John gets off the bus with the flower behind his ear, a passenger can be spotted carrying a newspaper with a headline ending “…be in two places at once?” a possible reference to the case of The Duplicate Man that flashed up earlier on screen asking: “How could Derek Parkinson be in two places at the same time? And murdered in one of them?”. It’s never twins, remember.
10. The bus/flower scene was inspired by the same thing happening in real life to a friend of Mark Gatiss called, aptly enough, Edmund Moriarty: “His daughter was very young and he’d been up all night with her and he got on the tube to White City and this very beautiful girl started smiling at him and he thought ‘Still got it!’ and he got all the way there and got to work, looked in the mirror and he had a flower in his hair and that’s what she’d been looking at” Gatiss told the audience at a December screening of the episode.
11. The big hint for episode two, The Lying Detective, is spotted behind John’s texting partner ‘E’ at the bus stop. It’s a poster featuring Toby Jones in character as Culverton Smith, advertising either a new film, TV series or book featuring the character titled something containing the words ‘business’ and ‘murder’. The words ‘coming soon’ and ‘he’s back’ are also clearly visible… (Watson also walks past a poster for The Book Of Mormon, but not sure that's strictly relevant here.)
12. ‘E’, the woman John meets on the bus, appears in the credits as Elizabeth and is played by Sian Brooke, who played Ophelia to Benedict Cumberbatch’s much-publicised Hamlet at the Barbican in 2015. Look away now if you don’t want a potential spoiler revealed: Brooke was also spotted filming scenes for episode two The Lying Detective, and is referred to by setlockers as “The Lady In Red”.
13. A tenuous one this, but here goes: when John is texting ‘E’ late and asks if she’s a night owl, she replies “vampire”. The Adventure Of The Sussex Vampire is a Sir Arthur Conan Doyle story about a dysfunctional family and a jealous, abusive brother attempting to do away with his younger sibling. Could her jokey answer be a clue to Elizabeth’s back story?
14. There may be a long list of things Sherlock Holmes doesn’t know about (former prime ministers?), but William Shakespeare isn’t on it (Conan Doyle’s “the game is afoot” catchphrase comes from Henry V, incidentally). In The Six Thatchers, Sherlock quotes “by the pricking of my thumbs” from Macbeth. Unless of course, he’s quoting from that other classic British detective writer, Agatha Christie…
15. The Power Ranger strapped to the front of Charlie Welsborough’s Ford was the Blue Ranger. Not sure if that’s relevant, but just being thorough.
16. The continued references to the Black Pearl of the Borgias are a connection to The Adventure Of The Six Napoleons. Said pearl was the treasure hidden inside one of six plaster busts of Napoleon in the original story.
17. Writer Mark Gatiss didn’t only borrow the premise of The Adventure Of The Six Napoleons from Conan Doyle for this modern update but also some names. Thatcher bust distributors Gelder and Co. were also the distributors of the Napoleon busts in the original story. Barnicot, Harker and Sandeford, bust owners, are also repeated between the two.
18. Toby the bloodhound proved a difficult co-star, as Steven Moffat told the Q&A audience in December: “It didn’t move! That was an immobile dog! You know that scene where they’re talking about the dog that won’t move, me and Mark [Gatiss] wrote that on the street to account for the fact the dog wouldn’t move. It just sat there like an ornament!”
19. Toby lives with Craig the hacker. In Craig’s room is a street sign for Pinchin Lane, which is where the original Toby the dog lived (with a Mr Sherman) according to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in The Sign Of Four. Source: Vanity Fair
20. This isn’t the first time Ajay actor Sacha Dhawan has appeared in a Mark Gatiss-written script. He played Waris Hussein in 2013 Doctor Who docudrama An Adventure In Space And Time and then the lead in that year’s The Tractate Middoth.
21. According to this website, there’s a real-life hotel in Tbilisi, Georgia called The Sherlock. Now you know.
22. Mary-in-disguise’s fellow plane passenger was played by James Holmes. No relation.
23. A close-up of one of Mary’s fake IDs reveals one of her aliases to be Gabrielle Ashdown. ‘Gabrielle’ was the fake name used by spy Ilse von Hoffmanstal in 1970 Billy Wilder film The Private Life Of Sherlock Holmes, and ‘Ashdown’ was the alias she used when pretending to be married to Holmes, then later alone in Japan. Source: Vanity Fair
24. The name painted on the boat Mary walks past in Norway, Flekkete Band, means Speckled Band, another Conan Doyle story title. Source: @ingridebs
25. Apparently the name on the boat behind, Løvens Manke, means Lion’s Mane, yet another original Holmes adventure reference, as spotted by Tumblr user Cupidford here.
26. We won't repeat them all here, but this terrific Tumblr page is full of links between Sherlock’s flurry of cases at the beginning of the episode and the original Conan Doyle stories. Find out how the man with the Japanese girlfriend tattoo relates to The Adventure Of The Red Headed League and many more.
27. Throughout the harrowing London Aquarium scenes, filmed in a single day, the team kept themselves amused by inventing facts about sharks, as relevant to their location. “Sharks like beans”, “sharks cannot spell” and so on…
28. Unlike that popular myth, sharks do sleep. In fact, the ones at London Aquarium have to be in bed by 2am, which made filming there difficult and is perhaps why it looks very much as though some scenes are set against a video screen of fish swimming rather than the real thing. “One of the things we did find hard was the aquarium,” said producer Sue Vertue, “which we tried for ages to work out if we could film everything in the aquarium and then we realised that sharks sleep at night. So we had to find another way around doing that.”
29. Mark Gatiss said at the Q&A in December that they had always planned for Mary to die sacrificing herself: “It was always going to be saving Sherlock.”
30. When Sherlock asks Mrs Hudson at the end to say the word ‘Norbury’ to him if she ever thinks he’s becoming “cocky or overconfident” he’s paraphrasing his literary counterpart, who asked John Watson in The Adventure Of The Yellow Face “Watson, if it should ever strike you that I am getting a little overconfident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely obliged to you." Source: Metro
31. When Mycroft arrives home and sees the “13th” note on his fridge, it’s hidden underneath a menu for a Reigate Square takeaway restaurant. The Adventure Of The Reigate Squire is an 1893 Sherlock Holmes story by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
32. Prompted by the note on his fridge, Mycroft makes a phone call and asks to be put through to “Sherrinford”. First introduced by Holmes scholar William S. Baring-Gould, Sherrinford is a hypothetical older brother to Mycroft and Sherlock. “I’m not given to outbursts of brotherly compassion. You know what happened to the other one” hinted Mycroft in His Last Vow. At this year's SDCC, Mark Gatiss, Amanda Abbington and Benedict Cumberbatch were photographed holding up signs saying "Thatcher", "Smith" and "Sherrinford". So we can expect to have the Sherrinford mystery solved by The Final Problem?
33. The therapist Sherlock sees at the end of the episode is Ella Thompson (played by Tanya Moodie), who formerly appeared as John’s therapist in A Study In Pink and The Reichenbach Fall. Who better to tell him what to do about John than the doctor who treated him for PTSD and grief?
So Konstantya reblogged this and I thought about some of the Esca ships as I read through it. (https://radical-rad1986.tumblr.com/post/627559876961370112/ship-sizes) So here, have some ramblings. (Note: Bc the fandom is so small, any askblog descriptor doesn't apply; same with AO3 mentions.)
Supercarrier: Van/Hitomi, obviously. (Side note: I feel like the shipname Vantomi isn't that popular, or even old? Like I remember suddenly seeing it on ff.net ONCE, then it pops up randomly. WAY more likely to see VH. Ha, not even with the slash.) Ah, Dilandau/oc.
Dreadnought: Millerna/Dryden. Except there's not a lot of fic compared to other ships; I think that's because it feels like its an endgame thing in the Series that it's just going to happen eventually.
Cruiser: Maybe Van/Celena and Van/Merle?
Frigate & Gunboat: Folken/Eries and Gaddess/Eries; I think Dilandau/Dragonslayers goes here too? I remember there being several fics on ff.net by a few different authors.
Tugboat & Rowboat: Actually lol, F/E and G/E kinda fit all four categories.
Canoe: Merlandau, ala Pethics.
Submarine: Does Eries/Allen go here? Hahaha... where does E/A go? :smile:
Pontoon: Pacific Rim, AtLA, and mebe Star Wars?
Barrel: Millerna/Moleman, except there is actual signed fic of it (or there was) on ff.net; Van/Chid, which I remember reading on ff.net but it actually made it over to AO3?? (https://archiveofourown.org/works/27727)
Pool Noodle: Special mention of MaMa because Fayrinn named the ship... but really, where does MaMa go? It's canon, we all support it, but there's hardly any fic about it and we don't talk about it like we do basically everything else.
Also not sure where to put OT3 Folken/N&E... Hn, not sure where to put Celena/Gaddess either. Or Millerna/Allen. Or Allen/Hitomi.
Thoughts?? Other ships that I am not familiar with?
@fayrinferno‘s comments: (Rad’s original Ebr commentary)
Haha, @radical-rad1986, unfortunately, I could not participate, but your notes made me wanna rewatch myself. Just a few notes here and there where I could catch what was meant without watching.
:D Yeah I was hoping for more people but it was abruptly planned too; glad for the people who could participate!
Yes the arrow tip seems to be an energist, no idea why, also do not ask me why some energists are soft (like the one you can put your hand through on Esca) and some are apparently hard enough to be used against dragonscale. Maybe the “energist ore” is soft and the product, energist, is hard?
SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS! It might have something to do with the reaction of energist coming in contact with the guymelef’s holder-thing??? I just found it interesting that the arrow appeared to be entergist-tipped!
It’s MOERO! A rude command form of moeru, to burn :D (laughs in student Japanese at the thought of Dilandau screaming “MOETE KUDASAI!” maniacally)
Ah so I did spell it wrong!
Dryden says: “There is [a way]… on Ispano made guymelef…” and he just activates the mechanism. Allen asks what he just did and he said he “called them (the Ispano)”. So no, no phoning home. There also was a way of putting it differently (the subs got it right), but it seems like the dub tried to give Dryden some extra swag or sth???
That makes SO MUCh more sense! I guess the Ocean Group just though “phone home” sounded cool.... >.>
Hitomi’s grandma is most probably not Kanzaki, Yuri is the mother of Hitomi’s mom. I believe Hitomi’s parents are married, which would make Hitomi’s dad (and his side of the family) Kanzaki.
Yeah I’m sure she’s not a Kanzaki but as we have no other last names... it has a pleasant ring to it too.
I believe Esca is older than Naruto, but the inspiration from some historical Japanese fighting gear is possible for both.
Yeah I was reaching but it was funny!! :DDD
I thought the same, Freid worships what most of Gaea considers demons. It seemed Atlanteans and Freid were on good terms when they placed the power spot there? But the other nations didn’t know them and started fearing them. I also think that the rest of known nations do not hate them like, attacking them on sight or whatever. They just think of them as too powerful and dangerous and do not want to fall under their influence. Maybe they pity Freid for being “enslaved“ by Atlanteans, but they do not shun them for their beliefs. As I said once before, the countries seem to be chill with religions other than their own.
Oh I totally love that the nations of Gaea seem to not have anti-relglion crap going on, even if they do have racism with the beastmen, at least in some places a little bit. I don’t see it but I swear that the Compendium’s Chronology had Freid being founded early-ish and being an “old” country. Like it built up around the Power Spot. Maybe I’m making it up or remembering someone’s headcanon. Maybe Atlantis and Atlanteans are more a myth/forgotten and Draconians are more real, if rare? But yeah it’s prolly more Fanelila that’s afraid of the Daconians, NOT to belittle them/it but they are a little behind on the times... And yeah, if Freid isn’t a ranting/weird country and very functional, who’s to bring on the religion debate?
Starting a new thread as I feel we’re OT to the original Fanelia topic.
Drk’s comment:
Depending on the dialogue translation this scene goes a few ways, in the Ocean dub, I feel like Allen is known for traveling to pick up girls from all over, or to have girls brought to him from all over. Saying that he found Hitomi “in the east” makes me think that he’s known to use travel to pick up chicks.
Allen travelling to pick up women? *Ponders* He does say “I found her in the east.” And it does sound more like “the East” now that we’re giving it thought. Would he be able to leave the Fort though? (Aston wouldn’t let him is my thought. Officially or spitefully.) *Squints at Gaean map* So that’d prolly be Egzardia or Basram?
Having women brought in would make more sense. The line might be “She’s from the East.”
Episode 21, Reaction of Fortune. Naria and Hitomi are standing on a small boat and Eriya’s Tiering “lands” and hovers right next to it/them. After Van’s scene at the Vione, HITOMI AND NARIA ARE STANDING ON THE DOCK AND ERIYA’S TIERING HAS LANDED. Did they actually take the time to move or is this an inconsistency????
It’s probably so that Hitomi actually has the space to back away when the Tiering takes off. And for Naria to walk into her sister’s Tiering’s outstretched hand. And for the Tiering the freaking LAND. They probably should have just kept Naria and Hitomi off the boat and on the dock!!! XDDDDDDDDD
With Drk’s posting of the cards I looked at the Wb’s Compendium to make sure I spelled ‘Chafaris’ correctly... I hadn’t. The point is I want fic of Chid piloting Chafaris and communicating with Mahad’s ghost. Or just piloting it. :P I nominate @millerna!! :DDD
*Peers at guymelef list* Direito? That sounds familiar. Naiades sounds really familiar but I think that’s because it rhymes with Alseides. (And Greek Naiades. Which makes sense as that’s where Oreades and Alseides came from.) Or maybe that was from the manga? And of course there’s Supiruka, Terceiro, and Toriburu and I go wtf??
Interestingly enough Chrome accepts Direito and Terceiro as words?? Lol!
Chafaris is based on Portuguese? HUH. I wonder if that has any connection to the Castelo and Natal’s origins???? And my headcanon little heart leaps for joy!
