#fate siegfried

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Listen yes I get the lore of Kriemhild and Siegfried and understand it’s a case of “Love like she had for him doesn’t just fade but her hate is understandable and real”, but consider: my friend wants to tap that and, well, some men are just meant to be cucked.

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Siegfried looking at a flock of Roseate Spoonbills, minutes before the wood pier under his feet cracked.

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LB6.5 Traum Spoilers

Lostbelt 6.5 Traum Theory: Siegfried is not real

I could be biased, because this relates to one of the twists in the episode, and how I do not wish it was real. If that makes sense.

My Theory: The Siegfried shown to reunite with Kriemhild is not real.

Evidence:

1. Siegfried has no memory of being helpful to Master. Despite that he has in MULTIPLE times. There is also no memory he has of meeting Astolfo in Apocrypha, which is what Astolfo is implied to have.

2. The way he behaves is quite strange. I get that the original promise Siegfried made to Master was that if she was alive he would fight on her side, and this original promise would still make sense if the theory was true. However, the fact that Siegfried stops calling Master "Master" and instead by name. So suddenly. It doesn't fit his character. Ironically for a character who was betrayed to be the betrayer, a Servant known to be loyal.

His favor quote "I'm told you and I fought side by side once before. I'm sorry I have no memory of it. I only hope I proved useful in that battle... At any rate, I have a favor to ask you. Once I tell you what it is...I'll understand if you decide to kill me."

Siegfried again "I... I made a mistake. And, I'm about to make another one. ...Master. No... (y/n). Kriemhild will never use her demonic sword again. The mass of magical energy the Holy Grails were providing to her is gone. Our battle consumed nearly all of it. I tried to kill her and I nearly succeeded. And now, here we are. This is exactly what we agreed to. I...hope you can forgive me. You have my gratitude for granting this foolish wish of mine."

Later. Siegfried comes close to Kriemhild and says, "Your ambitions... Your dreams... Whatever you want to call them, any hopes you had of permanently establishing this Singularity are dashed for good and all. The Holy Grailed are now in our enemy's [Master's] hands." Then to Master, "I'm sorry to surprise you. But I decided this some time ago. If Kriemhild is still alive even after we stop her...then from that moment on, I want to fight for her. ...Even if that means you and I should become enemies. Even if it should result in my own death."

In Fate/Grand Order Siegfired's "My Room" lines were all having to do with loyalty and the like. Even in Apocrypha when he was serving Gordes Musik Yggdmillennia who wasn't very friendly to him he still showed better behavior. Plus it's not like memories are always wiped because the "My Room" Siegfried voice lines clearly remember Aporcypha. In my Room, he doesn't mention anything regarding the events in Traum (but Kriemhild does) His only line about Kriemhild is as follows: "I didn't expect you to come, but... you came, Kriemhild. I don't know what to tell you... no, there's no need to say anything... Huh? 'What can be put into words is put into words.'? I see...I love you, Kriemhild...Was it inevitable that you would bring out Balmung in this exchange?''

This pattern of mood indicated in Traum is very heavily resembling that of EMIYA in the Unlimited Blade Works route, where he betrays Tohsaka to serve under Medea for his own benefit (to kill Shirou) however even then this theory is justified through EMIYA's morally grey nature and "Independent Action" which Siegfried doesn't have neither. HE EVEN CONTRADICTS HIMSELF IN THE NARRATIVE SHOWING THAT he won't rebel when in actuality he does. "Do you desire to rebel against Proper Human History?" "No."

Kreimhild said in Traum before Siegfried's appearance: "If Siegfried was summoned here, he would probably rebel against Proper Human History. I don't want him to, I want the small chance he isn't. I want him to be my enemy before I kill him." (Kriemhild was on the side against Proper Human History) and then she also says "Chaldea didn't bring him" implying that she knows that Chaldea has him.

There is also a mention of every Servant having a different Master in Traum. As of where I am in the story, there is no detail mentioned about Siegfried's Master. When he was first found he was deep in a prison, stating "I was almost expecting to be put in an eternal slumber"

Then there is a twist that Traum actually takes place in Nevada, 2019 in Area 51. The Master behind it all is a Test Subject E. This may just further reinforce the theory.

Kriemhild's line to Siegfried after beating Traum is as follows: "Gyah! Apologies. I just lost my composure. You...I mean, Lord Siegfried. No, I didn't mind. You approaching me was all according to plan... A calculated move on my part. It was all for revenge. Why the defeated look!? Cut it out, you nincompoop! And Master! Don't just stand back there and nod! Do something about this!!!" Siegfried has no new lines after beating Traum.

The Siegfried stated was essentially a fake one, which retained his personality (hence Mash’s comment about his seriousness) and how his abilities are consistent to what is established (being able to endure a B+ rank attack is indeed consistent with his Noble Phantasm Armor of Fafnir does in Fate). However, his memories were wiped and his internal values changed significantly. Essentially, he behaves exactly how Kriemhild desires, it’s as though he was programmed to do so. If this theory was true it would explain the title of the Lostbelt being “Traum” how it is German for “dream” and how it’s basically a manifestation of her desires. Considering Siegfried and Kriemhild being the only German Servants this only makes the meaning more plausible. Why wasn’t this brought up in the plot? Why didn’t Sherlock Holmes catch this? They had little time together, and the times of Siegfried behaving most suspiciously was kept hidden from Holmes.

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How do you feel about Kriemhild design

I'm not going to say "I was a fool for doubting them" because I was very much right to be cautious

but

SHE'S PERFECT

QUOTE ME:

when Kriemhild is willowy [and romantic] instead of someone who properly looks like they [are prepared] for a long and bloody journey of revenge, [when they are not] a brooding stone cold avenger [Berserker] who has seen more death than the human mind can handle, I will be violently angry

WHERE DO I START WITH HOW MUCH I GOT WHAT I WANTED

Not only is she solemn, she's solemn and centered around her loss of Siegfried while completely respecting who she is as her own character. By that I mean she's clearly armored. You can literally see her wearing armor under her mourning dress. She's not defined by Siegfried and being without him, she's defined by the violence that her relationship with Siegfried led her to. The Kriemhild we meet is one who takes place after the events of her saga. After the bloodshed, after the death, after the warring. And what are we left with? A porcelain pale woman clad in death, black armor underneath the guise of a maiden and a demonic blade in hand.

And her body language is just....perfect. The slightly furrowed brow, and the slant to her frown, the narrowed pupils, the downward tilt, leaning on her blade, one arm slack and one draped over said blade, and the inferred knees turned inwards. She is attentive, but waiting. She's lying in wait. She has things to hide, things she wants to keep closed off from the world. And above all else, she is brimming with sheer contempt.

I could go over all her ascensions and the progression they show but it'd take even more weeks to get around to writing all that out so let's cut to

This. Is. Everything I wanted.

The lighting, the palette, the angle, the PARALLELS TO SIEGFRIED'S, it's beautiful. Where Siegfried was angled up to frame him as a protector, hers is angled down to show her as an usurper. Where Siegfried effortlessly held his blade in in front of and across himself with one hand, a ward against anyone who would step to him in the hopes of avoiding that battles, she grips that same blade with both hands, its blade pointed back as she prepares to bring it down upon an intended target and use it to eradicate like the weapon it is. Where Siegfried held Balmung as a pure and angelic blade, one that stood out against his monstrous horns and draconic wings, even overshadowed by that fact as it existed as a mere tool to be wielded by the mighty immortal hero Siegfried, who could wield anything and still be who he is... Kriemhild stands in a plated maiden's gown of white and black that only serves to highlight the sheer bloodlust coursing through the cursed blade in her hands, its presence as important as Kriemhild's itself, the cursed blade that has felled so many and has become inseparable from Kriemhild, not a mere tool but a WEAPON and one that is INSTRINSIC to who Kriemhild is, Kriemhild who saw so many die and killed so many more in her quest for revenge that led a story of pure ideal down a path into ruin and damnation in a cycle of death, taking that angelic blade of her lover down the same path and turning it into the demonic weapon that reflects what her own soul has become.

Just...........they really. Really got this one right.

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Fate Grand Order Servant Comparisons

Siegfried

Left - FGO

Right - 15th-century manuscript of the Rosengarten zu Worms