Mmm. It's not confirmed that's the end goal or result. Be cautious about spreading this.
It's only a strong hypothesis that one of the consequences of his actions could be to turn Roman into the new Solomon on the Throne of the Heroes.
If it's the result, even if I prefer Roman as a normal person, dead or alive, it was also foreshadowed since the Time Temple. When Roman performed Ars Nova, he didn't just say he'll disappear forever, but also he said "Frow now on, my work can be done with the strength of one man" (aka without God's omnipotent blessings), or something along those lines. This means he still has work to be done, contradicting the effect of Ars Nova (Which should complete all his works, and nobody will ask for help or miss him). The loophole is Solomon-as-Romani-Archaman, not just Solomon-as-God-Agent (the finished aspect), who is a new brand person according to the epilogue. This is what Lev's been clinging to play that role of his to finish the journey with Mash and Fujimaru on Romani's behalf as a means of atonement. Romani couldn't continue his work because he died, but he still has unfinished things to do, and he's missed; therefore, Ars Nova has no effect on Romani Archaman's existence. He's just lacking the credits to be a Servant after he returned God's blessings. The existence of Solomon, as agent of God, blessed with divine achievements, is done, but a new Solomon, one who has achieved that state through human effort, is different.
The key importance of the figure of the temple he lost because was sullied by the demon gods, and the one he won (Chaldea Organization) maaaay be a key of it. Just random thoughts. I would prefer if Roman returns as a human being and gets his lost dream, if he returns at all, but somehow I think Nasu wants to prioritize Lev's cred above everything. So whatever happens is gonna be tied to that.
Marisbury literally shot David Bluebook he had the ability to interact with Olga but didn’t even if he was “dead” and watched it happen with interest.
We’re angry about his inaction and callousness towards Olga who was crying out for help that only Maribury would have understood in that room and he just watched and let it happen. Even if it was for the sake of his greater goal for the sake of that one girl’s cries for help were tearing apart his plan
The gun/shot caused no damage because it was a toy/hologram. "Marisbury" tries the same with Ritsuka as a "prank." Bluebook was alive since Marisbury explained to him what happened later and decided to become Traum Master. His role is merely a guide there. We don't know the circumstances of his death, but likely not due to the "gunshot."
The way AI Marisbury speaks is the same as Maris. According to the same people, I'm reading outrage: Maris is Olga, then Olga allowed her component to suffer for the sake of assimilating her more easily later. The actual Marisbury at that point was dead, years before Olga was tortured. If Maris is Marisbury or his AI, then you'll be correct. But those people want their cake and eat them with getting pissy at what Maris did with Marisbury.
HOWEVER.
He did perform experiments on Mash and countless children, not all of them demi Servants, but actual human beings (which Mash and Olga well...aren't, so for mages is like getting ethical with homunculus--it happens, but it's rare): the 128 Masters in Seraphix. Yet I see fewer arms up over this factual deed than over something he didn't have control over. So what am I supposed to regard Olga's suffering as "specially" evil because of a couple of flashback slides? No way. If we weren't outraged before with him, it's just performative because a waifu got hurt and not really because he was really an amoral asshole who doesn't care about putting someone through pain for the sake of his goal. Which he has already! We already knew he was capable of that and worse, so this pearl-clutching just because of Olga is just irrational. It shouldn't cripple anyone's ability to analyze the character properly.
you said that flauros throwing olga into chaldeas saved the world?
It's all but confirmed. It's confirmed that he specifically targeted her (with a bomb) as a mercy killing for the sake of the general plan. He has no love for Animuspheres too. However, she survived, and her presence in Fuyuki with her perceived weakness made Lev lost his patience with her (which he feels ashamed), and as an act, the other demon gods (Goetia), Marisbury, and Chaldeas didn't expect to happen, he tossed her into Chaldeas.
This isn't 100% confirmed, but is heavily implied by Daybit's line about Lev's miraclous human feelings (his frustration and intolerance do have a root in affection, imo, same for his feelings for Solomon-- he immediately stays his hand in killing Olga in Melty Blood Nightmare because she turns agsainst the Animusphere precepts, so even with his orders from Goetia, Flauros chooses to spare Olga if she had the epiphany earlier to be against her father). Novum Chaldea, I forgot if it was Sion or Rider Vinci, also say Lev throwing Olga was 'unexpected.'
Now the presence of 'someone' stalled the Chaldeas' plan from becoming the true Earth by two years. It can only be Olga. Because it was going to happen earlier. And Olga is only there because Lev lost his control, at her weakness, and threw her.
Edit: in case I worded this confusingly, the unexpected feelings are that strong knee-jerk impatience when the other demon gods are more "mechanical." The rest could have just beam shot her or simply let her dissipate and die in that Singularity. Lev didn't need to do anything. That human reaction he did, and he feels ashamed of doing, actually ended up indirectly saving the world through Olga's yet unknown actions that delayed the transformation of Chaldeas into the real Earth for two years.
Mash in Final Chapter: "We comprehend, yet we cannot redress it. But that's what it means to be human. Creatures who aim for good yet who continue to do evil. There can be no salvation while one's own life still exists. So many mistakes, so many failures. The planet stacks up countless sacrifices to build an incredibly tall tower hoping that someday the last person will reach the light at its highest point." - This is the most disgusting fictional dialogue I have ever read. Your thoughts on it?
It's very... cultural though: protecting social harmony and status quo, try not to inconvenience, honoring "tradition" and roots, although are rotten.
It is really bad in the lenses of someone outside a certain cultural type. Mine included. That is why I could never really resonate with Chaldea in part 2, and I tried. If you read my Olympus and earlier posts, you know I've been very critical of this.
Basically, I agree with Oberon who is the only one with a true moral compass (after how Nasu describes the real reason why he cannot "love humanity").
Do you think Goetia (KOH) and Flauros have different personalities?
They do. But they are very alike because Goetia was an aggregation of the 72, and Flauros was the single demon who had achieved personal feelings during this fusion. So all that extra behavior and grandiose speech is kind of Flauros, and the shared idea of "Solomon" has to be (but isn't) all of them shared.
One of the distinct differences is that Goetia is a lot more honest with what he feels. He misunderstands sometimes, but he doesn't avoid or deflect or lie about his feelings. Flauros' a lot well, more tsundere? He's more emotional and sentimental, too. He won't admit it easily.
The second distinctive difference is that Flauros behaves more like a stern or gentle (if one is Mash) parental/uncle figure. Goetia is a lot "younger" in how he interacts; he lacks the aura of an old man who is lecturing youngsters. For example, Goetia reached out Guda as some kind of equal enemy, while Flauros' animosity source is that his daughter likes Guda and he Does. Not Approve. as a typical overcritical parent who will protect his little girl.
In easier terms to understand: Goetia is more written as a 'fellow' who is learning along, while Flauros is more written as a surly guardian/mentor figure.
How did you even think about Lev? All those years? It didn't even cross my mind.
Several reasons. This is going to be long, so I'll add a cut:
Near the release of Lostbelt 5, I started to get suck into the Animusphere conspiracy theory which I always supported from the very moment the PV of part 2 dropped, including that the "Alien God" was going to be Beast VII. Let me tell you, that wasn't easy when the 80% of the fandom kept pushing Sefar, Velber, or the outer gods. To me, the bleaching needed to come from the future into the present, like part 1 was a threat from the past for parallelism. And its source was Chaldeas' texture because of the projected 100 years, and the weird way the Bluebook's sequences never had a single year.
This made me sucked into that crossover manga with Sion (Melty Blood Backalley Nightmare) because of Olga being mysterious, powerful, and central to the story. During it, I also started noticing Lev was important to that plot.
Lev was a character who was glossed over in the fandom. I also admitted to doing that before this, but I started to notice him and how Nasu was expanding him, with or without Olga. Of course, I knew of his debut novel and read it, but that didn't take place in Fate universe to pay attention to him.
That was a seed in my mind, but Chaldean teased around being Romani or Goetia (King of Humans, I should clarify, not a demon god survivor) were likely suspicions, especially the latter, which was a simple option, widely accepted. So seemed to await his identity reveal in Atlantis or Olympus. A breaking point in building him up. But…that didn't happen. That's how I knew the guy couldn't be Goetia (KOH). He wasn't Roman, but he couldn't be Goetia either. Why? Because Nasu was presenting him as a big enigma to be solved, whose identity is meant to confuse the reader, to continue obscuring it. It would make no sense if the answer to his Mystery Man was someone everyone guessed from the very start. Why bother to make "Goetia" a mystery?
The other reason was his characterization. All fans knew he wasn't Solomon, but I also knew that guy couldn't be Goetia (KOH). Goetia, the sentient spell that served as a control server and became human, was never 'tsundere.' Stern, arrogant, serious? Yes, but tsundere and dishonest? Never. He was actually very open about his offer to help Mash (even sought her out twice), and described his feelings for Guda in the last scene together. He could be slow and misunderstand things, but he was never pompously denying his feelings. There's a fanon he would be tsundere, which is cute, but that's not how Nasu wrote him. Flauros, on the other hand, despite being the one who wanted to save Mash (and Goetia was just offering on his behalf) never admitted it to her face. He never admitted he was slighted and wounded by Roman's lack of trust (ironic as it is). He is, actually, hmm, emotionally dishonest. The idea it could be Lev emerged in my mind during Atlantis, not just because of the pile of Lev content Nasu pushed, and this personality match (and because I was certain it wasn't Goetia), but due to two key scenes: the one with him describing Chaldea's struggle in the Lostbelts (a parallel of Flauros describing the same with the Singularities), and his entrance…he lands to save Chaldea from the same fate Lev had thrown to the Crypters as an act of balance. Lev was even mentioned in this conversation, and Kirschtaria was familiar with him.
The following year, with Lev in the OP of part 2 with Romani just made me work the courage to propose that theory, flawed, and under works, and revisions.
I was mostly 99% sure it wasn't going to be Goetia (KoH), the more likely contenders were: Chaldeas/AU Solomon, or Lev. You either push his identity reveal because it could be linked to the plot (Chaldeas Solomon-Fuyuki, possibility) or because he's a twist in itself (Lev).
In hindsight, without biases, you can see the trajectory of the Chaldean's introduction since 2017-2018: Lostroom happens where Lev is a main character, he leaves the Room (as does Olga), and then someone grabs Solomon's ring from the Throne. Immediately after, we have a PV with Sugita, who claims to be Solomon. Without fan attachment to KOH Goetia, it should be clear it's Flauros, right? He was also part of "King Solomon." The connection between Olga and the Priestess was immediate, and she was in the exact same position as Lev. Olga appears as a focal character, leaves the Lostroom, and a mysterious woman is watching (who later appears in the game when Olga is discussed), fans immediately agree she's the robotic voice who chants the animusphere spell in the same pv that aired after Lostroom. Yet Lev, another of the main focuses in Lostroom, was ignored to conclude that it was obviously KOH Goetia.
The way Lev got ignored while Olga wasn't just how fan bias completely twists something that was almost under our very noses since late 2017-2018 (the new years stream).
