#flash speculation

[sunshinesunsethappiness]

I wonder what year Bart and Nora are traveling back from. I know Barry wanted to travel to 2049 in episode 7x16, but since the character description mentioned Bart is a teenager that would seem too far in the future? Unless Bart (and Nora, I still think they’re twins) isn’t born for about another 9 years, which seems unlikely.

[sophisticatedloserchick]

Hi So I’ve been thinking about the latest Flash Trailer

I know a big point of discussion for some fans is the line from Iris to Barry “I can’t be your damsel in distress anymore.”

I know for some that line is frustrating because of course Iris has never been a “Damsel in Distress”. She’s actually done a pretty great job of taking care of herself and others through out the whole series. So I get why its annoying to feel like the writers are ignoring that to make Iris seem like she needs to be saved all the time.

Except I don’t think that’s the point the writers are trying to make. 

This recent gif set from @izzyllewis​ reminded me that Barry sometimes takes it too far in his attempts to protect Iris. In 3x15 Barry proposes to Iris without telling her that he was partly motivated to do so because in his vision of Savitar killing Iris she wasn’t wearing a wedding ring. Iris of course was upset because she felt like Barry was more motivated in “saving” her then wanting to marry her. 

She point blank tells him she wants to be his wife and not someone he keeps trying to save for the rest of his life. 

Even further back in Season 1 Barry spent an entire year lying to Iris about his identity of the Flash all because he wanted to protect her. Which of course wasn’t fair to Iris. It showed a complete lack of confidence in her abilities and ultimately by Barry being overprotective it put her in more danger. 

She’s pretty clear on that when she tells Joe off about his and Barry’s decision to lie to her about The Flash 

Now this isn’t me being down on Barry. He’s lost a lot of people in his life and its understandable he takes these drastic measures to protect Iris the person he loves the most. But it can’t be denied that Barry has in the past justified his actions because he needed to protect Iris and not really think how his actions effect Iris. And on the other hand its understandable Iris doesn’t appreciate that over protectiveness especially when it takes away her ability to make choices for her own life.

Also considering we have a scene in the trailer of Joe telling Barry in frustration “We’re not in crisis mode anymore!” and rumors that Barry will have tension with the team I think its possible Barry will be going into over protective mode in 6B.

So yeah that’s about all I wanted to say. Because I’m the angst whore that I’am. I’m looking forward to this storyline. 

If anyone has any thoughts they want to discuss hit me up in my inbox!

[westxwells]

How does it feel to have your westwells agenda thriving? They are at the forefront of that crossover picture ready to give out orders, for real. Grant, I mean Barry, better watch his back LOL!

MY??? WestWells agenda??? I’m merely carrying on the excellent work Candice and Tom have already started: spreading the good gospel of WestWells 🙏🏽😉

Really hoping to see Iris West-Allen score an EXCLUSIVE one-on-one interview with Pariah himself 👀

[cheryls-blossomed]

So, 6x17 is apparently called “Liberation,” which obviously indicates to me that that is the episode where Iris will finally get out of the mirror. And I would just like to say that I am over the moon that I was wrong, because I really, really wanted my baby angel free as soon as possible, and also because I truly hope we get to see her be instrumental in taking Black Hole down in the final two episodes. Also Iris versus Eva face-off, please and thank you.

[twicetolivetwicetodie]

Going into 6B I’m wary (well, I guess I’ll see what my final opinion is after Crisis is over) but I’m most invested in seeing Iris continue the investigation she started in 6A with investigating the organization that is turning metas into assassins. Drawing from the comics, this could be Black Hole. Also seems like Sue’s disappearance is tied to this arc so it would be pretty interesting if Iris and Ralph’s arcs intersected somehow. Also the addition of Eva McCulloch who very well could be a genderbent version of Evan McCulloch, the second Mirror Master. Seems like she’s gonna be Iris’s antagonist in the second half. If they’re not just saying things to interest us and actually follow through on that, that will be very interesting. The first time they tried to give Iris her own villain with Spencer Young, it didn’t work out cause she only appeared in one episode.

Also interested to see if they do end up killing off Barry in Crisis or he disappears, how long he’ll be gone and how they’ll handle that on the show since Grant has to be in every episode in some way. I mentioned this is a previous post but they could do scenes of him trying to find his way home or they could do flashbacks. Pretty curious about Barry’s arc going into 6B after he returns. If they’re not just saying things, Crisis is supposed to change Barry in a major way, not sure how could be related to trauma or whatever happens to Barry during Crisis or wherever he was before he comes back. The emotions in 6B are supposed to be more intense than they were in 6A. And since 6A fell short on addressing the emotions of the people it should’ve affected the most I really hope they’re telling the truth. Feels like they’re going harder on 6B and the effects of Crisis than they did for 6A, seems like they’re more invested in the second half for whatever reason so hopefully that pays off. I’m really hoping and crossing my fingers for a followup on what went down between Barry and the Speed Force in 6x07. Him calling the Speed Force out for using and manipulating him has been a long time coming and I want and need to see the consequences of that.

[westallen94]

I did enjoy last night’s episode of The Flash. And today i found myself thinking about the whole Nora and Iris deal. i think maybe one of the conversations they will have or may not but hopefully.. would be how Joe lied to Iris most of her life about her Mother’s death to find her alive 20 years later. that is a big secret just as much as it was for future iris to keep most of Nora life her power’s a secret. i think/hope iris will have a conversation with Nora about that. I agree with both point of views. the storyline this season is amazing and i loved to see more of Nora/iris relationship explored

[stydias-westallen]

keeloves replied to your post “I know some people want a redemption arc for Marlize but nope, not me....”

Well if she does get a redemption I hope her and Iris talk and Marlize apologizes to Iris. She atones for her crimes and then starts doing the right thing.

I mean if she wants to atone for getting Barry into jail for a life sentencing she's gonna have to do something huge. I don't want Iris to just play this super noble character who continues to prop up/forgive people who have continuously screwed her over. And if Marlize does stab her in the next ep like the promo suggests then I will murder her with my own two hands.

[purpleyin]

Caitlin Snow/Killer Frost end of S4 thoughts and S5 speculation

Definitely spoilers for all of S4 and some spoilers for S5 released so far.

Starting with thoughts on the line from 4x23. I've seen speculation that Thomas refers to either Thomas Wayne, or Thomas Elliot (Hush), a batfamily connection given talk of batfamily for the S5 crossover. I'm not gonna talk about those here because I don't have a background in the comics, only what I read on wikis, and I have some other possibilities I've been pondering.

Thomas refers to her father. If so why would Killer Frost not call him dad? I don't think Killer Frost would necessarily refer to as 'dad' much like she only referred to Barry as Flash until the end of 4x15 despite Caitlin's connection to him. I know the predominant theory is her dad is Elijah Snow but as seen with Dawn Allen actually being Nora Allen, they do like to mix things up from the comics so maybe he'll be Thomas Elijah Snow or even just Thomas Snow but with Elijah Snows powers or Icicle's powers as that's another suggestion for who her dad may be. As for 'he's been this way all the time'..

1a – if her dad is just her dad, no powers, her father could be cryogenicly frozen. Possibly Cait even helped freeze him somehow? This could be something done in the hope his mentioned ALS will have a cure someday. I'm not sure why it would be hidden from her by her parents unless they had to as part of hiding her powers from her and it raising too many questions.

1b – her father has powers like her and did die of ALS but much like when Caitlin died in 3x18, it allowed the alter ego to take over. The way he's been all this time may be his alter ego.

1c – her memories of him dying of ALS are fake ones or it just looked like ALS but was actually him struggling with his powers. He actually left because of his powers and Caitlin either never knew the real reason or has more repressed memories that can dig up the truth.

      2.

Regardless of who Thomas is, Caitlin's 4x22 flashback appeared to show her father knowing she was Frosted out after the accident, warning her not to look in the mirror, so, if he does know about her powers, what other possibilities are there for those?

2a – like mentioned above her father has powers himself and she inherited them.

2b – a more unpleasant possibility is one or both of her parents experimented on her. Not a pleasant thought, though her mother's specialty I thought was mentioned to be biology and cryo related unless I am mistaken. Though honestly, it would have much more of an impact narratively if it's Caitlin dad, who she considers her warm and loving parent compared to her emotionally distant and cold mom, who'd done it to her.

2c – I'm not clear how old Caitlin is meant to be in the flashback but I am curious if she's old enough there that Eobard Thawne would have turned up in the timeline. It could be he somehow gave her these powers as part of plan he has for Caitlin and her dad was simply aware that something had happened to her and her parents tried to hide it.

2d – an extra angsty subset of the above would be if Eobard took the form of her dad in order to carry out whatever plan he had and then faked her dad's death before he went off to play Harrison Wells. I'm not sure that would fit with the latter line though, unless her dad is meant to still be alive somehow, so this is just one I include for thoroughness of possibilities that occurred to me.

2e – this one feels fairly unlikely too, but Savitar did say he had a great plan for her. You'd assume that's ended because he's been erased but he did have the possibility of time travel so it isn't implausible Savitar caused her powers in the past when she was a child and this, her having powers, is leftover from that plan of his that got thwarted when she betrayed him in 3x23.

      3.

The way they've been talking about her powers being gone but not fully gone has been bugging me. It was mentioned the dark matter had been taken away, assumption that that was why she couldn't use them initially. There was also I believe mention of how she'd found another cryogenic anomaly in her DNA that is what they're trying to trigger but hadn't managed to yet. Ignoring how they'd even know it was a cryo power, if she had more than one anomaly, why didn't Melting Points powers take that too? If it is different and that's why it remains in her, then what does it do and why is there an assumption it will bring KF back? Lots of questions here really. I was initially a little worried they might use that to kickstart KF powers as the heat sucking vampire kind that the comics had, maybe they still will go there in S5, who knows. But it did lead me to another couple of theories on how she could still have meta DNA despite what Melting Point did separating out one of the cryo powers pieces of DNA.

3a - it could just simply be Melting Point only deals with one power removed at a time and she had multiple, so DeVoe only removed the one that had dark matter related to it (which does lead me to wonder if the remaining one could be inherited and the removed one was Particle Accelerator caused, an additional mutation she had).

3b – the more outlandish idea is that Caitlin had an unborn twin subsumed in utero and is actually a chimera (more than one set of DNA in her body) so Melting Points powers only worked on one set of her DNA to remove the meta genes in that and left her with powers via the other set of DNA. I suppose if this were the case they could go for KF being the personality of her twin who's had to watch Caitlin live her life for years with no input, or only come out on a few rare occasions, and that might explain why so annoyed and not exactly attached to people she is, but that's not a possibility I'm keen to see personally and wouldn’t exactly fit with S3 KF.

         4.

There's also the possibility that Melting Points powers,  to take away the first cryogenic anomaly from her DNA, weren't the only thing DeVoe did to Caitlin.

4a – did he place a mental block in her mind?

4b – could he have placed fake memories?

4c - ??? Honestly, DeVoe seemed to have figured out how to use the powers he had in unexpected ways, and could also use them in combination, so there could potentially be a big surprise coming if he did something very unexpected rather than simply steal her powers. But I think I am all theoried out here so no speculation on other stuff from me for the time being.