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The more you realize that Flowery is Ralsei the more you'll want to bang your head against a wall.
Flowery built the dark world around Asgores needs/wants and Ralsei makes sure that Castle Town is a place where Kris and Susie can come to at anytime, a home away from home.
Flowery doesn't really have interests, they're ideas Asgore is attached to/wanted to do with others ("Those are all just...Things I thought to do... for you two.")
I must confess a mild fear of this blog is sanitizing Flowery to the public- he has flaws and does things I don't agree with. He's to forgiving to Asgore, hes avoidant and ignorant thinking that being nice will be enough to stop Asgore from committing LITERAL MURDER
He trusts the power of friendship TOO MUCH
He deified Asgore, he's uncomfortable with his kings goals but doesn't push him as much as he does with the fun gang and It's fascinating to me.
He's manipulative when it comes to happiness, he can be retraumatizing, he's self rightous and actually WRONG about some things (mostly the nature of the Grand Fountain and the fact its the only known source of pure darkness, sealing it could mean INSANE AMOUNTS OF BAD SHIT) He's focused on his own dream as much as he's focused on others, he's SUPER CONDESCENDING
IDK just some flaws I want more Flowery fans to think deeper on!! BECAUSE FLAWS ARE FUN!
Unlike Tenna, Flowery's role in the prophecy was not to be ended by being killed by the Knight (that we know of). So Flowery did in fact change fate, he changed his fate of being forever trapped in asylum and worked to free the other Flower Man from his role as well, not caring how it would change his ending. He pushed Ralsei to break their role as well, not caring about his ending but actively running towards it to defy fate head on
"You want to see if I can win and change fate." And he did. He changed his own by fucking running towards death.
I love how many different characters Flowery tries to embody in his goal to be this perfect companion for Asgore. Obviously Rudy is the most prominent, but he also initiates activities that invoke the idea of his kids like the cowboy show. At the same time, he directly parallels he and Toriel’s current dynamic outright. But despite being in Asgore’s usual position of the dynamic he still tries to emulate Toriel, giving him the pie and having the Chairery. He’s the long time best friend, the admiring son-figure and the doting partner but also none of these things specifically. He’s Asgore’s Family. He wants Asgore to get to have all of these things all at once, and he wants to be able to provide any type of care he could need. Drives me CRAZY.
YES YES YES YES. I also have the idea that Flowery is unconsciously emulating all the ideas of love he's ever seen (whether it be familial, romantic or platonic) and trying to give it all to Asgore in the hopes it'll "fix him"
He's seen Asgores toxic obsession with being proven right and holding onto the past and sees it as love, he's seen the genuine care and affection from Gorey and Tori's marriage and sees it as love, he's seen the bonds (however flimsy) Kris and Azzy have with him and sees it as love, he's seen the deep profound friendship between Rudy and Goregore and sees it as love.
Its all Love to him, and he wants to be everything for Asgore in the way he was Everything for Flowery.
Y’know I could almost understand the people who assume that Flowery and Asgore have a father/son dynamic if not for the fact that the diner date music is referred to in the files as flowery_diner_romantic. That’s pretty much the smoking gun to me. I do think your post about him being son-zoned is pretty similar to canon intentions (Asgore reminiscing about his kids in some of their scenes and Flowery redirecting, mostly because he doesn’t want Asgore to think about his old family in general but also possibly because he doesn’t want to be painted in the same brushstroke as his kids)
A large part of the misunderstanding is just that people assume because he’s Flowe(r)y, that means he needs have a direct correlation to Asriel. But I feel as if a large part of what makes Flowery work as a character is the EXPECTATION set up by the player for him to be like Flowey, and the ways he ends up subverting those expectations. The chapter has heavy theming of nostalgia and often uses it to for this type of subversion. To me it feels like the point is that while they share some obvious similarities, Flowery isn’t Flowey. I believe the things that make them similar are the most superficial, such as presentation and theming, while the actual contents of his character are what differ wildly (it’s not lost on me that despite Flowey’s ‘kill or be killed’ mentality, Flowery is a boss who both can’t be defeated through violence and will not send you to a game over screen)
But, yeah. I don’t think they’d label a scene between allegorical father and son as romantic for obvious reasons lol. He works way better as a parallel to Rudy and their relationship when you actually examine it beyond Flowery = Flowey.
Pretty much my entire thoughts on the subject as well! I think there could be romantic intent without it ever happening in canon, I think you can ship it and also not want them to get together if that makes sense. You can ship it with one of the characters NOT BEING INTO IT- dynamics are complicated, I love the pairing because of the complexity within it.
Its canonically unrequited, Asgore realizes through Flowery's advances what he's making Toriel feel like (Though on screen we never see Asgore as clearly uncomfortable as Tori, but she's been dealing with his behavior for way longer)
Flowery doesn't equal Flowey, in the same way Ralsei doesn't equal Asriel. They're mixed up, they're new takes on old characters, they're mirrors. they're playing with the concepts of these characters to make something new.
It's wonderful and I love it- It's tragic, it's saddening but it's valid and understandable.
The sadness I get when I think of Flowery is the acceptance of his failure, BUT THATS ANOTHER POST THAT I WILL CRY ABOUT WHEN WRITING LATER
how do you think Flowery feels about Blue and Green? Wanted to ask about those two specifically since they help the fun gang, and also blue is very mature in comparison to the other flowers so they feel a lot more like peers in my head.
Flowery and Green have a very cordial and friendly relationship (as to be expected with Green). They explicitly hang out and cook together, and they both are very important to Orange. I feel like Orange is the glue (Lolflowers) that helps keep them together, not that they bicker or anything but that they just wouldn't push for a deeper friendship if she wasn't there.
I could imagine that Flowery didn't expect Green to be any different to the Fun Gang, its not in their character to attack anyone even if they directly oppose their existence... I bet it would still hurt a little though.
On Blue, him and Flowery are described as "Dance Rivals" and Blue is the most directly opposed to the plan, but even then only lukewarmly. I think Blue sees how Flowery values Asgore's and the Flowers happiness over his own (or rather that they are so intertwined that its impossible to tell which is which) and that saddens Blue to an extent... though I don't think Blue would express this tragedy during his comedy act.
This leads to a lot... unsaid between the pair. They understand eachother, they both value love over all and the friendships they've built... but the whole plan has clearly put a slight strain on their relationship.
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he immediately fell in love
In more ways than one. The line "blue is love and love has multitudes" has stood out so dearly to me this chapter.
He loves his fellow flowers, he treats them with respect and care, never once did he call out and call them traitorous for not fighting you. Never did he blame them, he asked them to protect Asgore and they all did it willingly because they love him.
His love for life, his love for being, in seeing others joy. He loves freely and openly, the only times he doesn't are when his love is threatened, and even then... he still cares for Kris, for Susie for Raly even when you take the joy hes been yearning about for years.
And of course there's Asgore, who his only wish was to see smile after seeing everyone leave him. He wanted to repay him for all the years of care, of love he was given. He was only meant to live for one smiling day but Asgore loved them in ways unseen by anyone else outside of the fun gang. He talks to his flowers, he sees them as his own love.
In conclusion he makes me sick
What do you think Flowery would do if he found Asgore and one of the flowers in a genuine conflict against each other? Do you think he'd prioritize Asgore's feelings or his friends ? (tho he'd 1000% want to choose both in almost any in character scenario)
Saw this really heartbreaking comic with blue and asgore and my brain for some reason hopped to Flowery
Oooh now this is a toughie... I feel like in front of Asgore, he'd prioritize Asgore.
He'd pander to him immediately, knowing that he can't really go one on one and understand Asgore like he can with the other flowers... plus they all have the same dream, right? It wouldn't be so bad to... put Asgore first. I mean that's the whole point of the dark world right? Who cares about flowers that will die in a week tops... better to prioritize Asgore, he threw HIS life away for YOU after all!
But once that opportunity fades, and he's left with the only other family he's ever had. He'd feel the guilt I think. He'd feel guilt that unlike the other flowers, he doesn't have a dream like they do. Other's dreams are his dream, so why can't he prioritize the people like him? Why can't his friends happiness be enough?
Why can't he prioritize himself?
