amikae replied to your post “Goddamn it, I can’t stop thinking about ‘Don Jon’ - Part 1”
heartandseoulx replied to your post “Goddamn it, I can’t stop thinking about ‘Don Jon’ - Part 1”
Yay Sib! So glad you finally got to see it. I absolutely love everything you said about it too.
:DDD Seriously, I did not expect to have so many thoughts about it afterwards.
fujoshirobo replied to your post “Goddamn it, I can’t stop thinking about ‘Don Jon’ - Part 1”
I’m so glad you finally saw it! I love the scene about how “cleaning house isn’t manly” because you can see so clearly there how it’s hurtful/limiting to him PLUS it’s such a good intersectional moment about gender and social class
On first viewing, I thought it was a bit heavy handed (well, I still do), but there was a lot of stuff at play that I liked, so it’s a scene I’m now quite fond of, despite said heavy handedness.
It demonstrated that neither of them enjoy mess - Jon doesn’t like literal messes and relationship messes, and Barbara doesn’t like the boring/messy parts of romance. She wants the perfect kiss, and the ideal man with the ideal job (followed by the ideal wedding and the ideal babies, it’s implied), but she doesn’t want the ‘picking up after one another’ or ‘adapting to one another’s weird quirks/habits’ parts of romance.
And, like you said, the intersection of gender roles and social class was really interesting. It’s like a double whammy for Jon - Barbara not only calls his love of cleaning unmanly*, she also implies it’s plebian/classless of him to even do it. I know ScarJo mentioned that Barbara is a woman who believes she’s a bit classier than she really is, and I like how their interaction in that scene - along with ScarJo’s costuming choices - carried that point across.
* NOTE: I had a half-formed thought about Jon, and how his concept of masculinity is so stereotyped, it’s led to his sense of his own masculinity becoming rather… fragile? Brittle? Like, the way he shoves his friends away after hugging, and the way his aggression ramps up when his dad calls him a kid (and, conversely, his pride when his parents say he’s becoming a man for getting into a committed relationship)… it all speaks of a guy who isn’t truly secure about himself/his masculinity. I think I kind of rambled about this in part 1, but not in terms of gender and gender roles, so… *makes note to include thoughts on gender roles in part 2*