#grrr talking

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so turns out the anime added that instead of directly smiling at AM, they first look at each other and then smile at each other.

huh.

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himiko-chan... himiko-chan... even if you were supposed to be dead in canon, nobody was able to actually show you in that state, to confirm it.

so in my heart, she is free, away from that mess of society, wearing her cute clothes, finding new friends, and enjoying blood in a healthy way.

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can we talk about how izuku can comfort and reaches out towards every person that cries in front of him se they can be honest about their feelings, but struggles with Katsuki? call me an idiot if you want, but him unable to deal with a genuinely sad kacchan, especially a kacchan sad about him, fits pretty well with how he tries to avoid expressing his own feelings even if he accepts them.

my train of thought is:

Katsuki is his closest person, there is no arguing about it + Izuku has a tendency of reflecting his own inner feelings onto other people's emotional moments, while helping them + Izuku is aware of his feelings but prefers to not acknowledge them directly if they get too personal, if theres more Izuku than Deku in them

Because he is his closest person, his cries are completely different from anyone else's; every time he has helped someone before, no matter if they cried or not, we can see a little of his own internal conflicts in his words (one of the first ones would be when he helped Shouto telling him thats his power; he was struggling to reclaim OFA at the time, to use it as his own, but instead of having him directly say this about himself, he says it about Shouto. He did it to genuinely help, but we cant ignore how he has this tendency of letting those details out). In a way, this serves to him accidentally letting them out without losing that saving purpose, expressing them as they also relate to someone else's struggles unrelated to him. 429 also show us this attitude, with him relating to the concept of guilt and expressing some of it thru Ochako's pain; in the end, he always tries to stay optimistic about it, or to say the least, he works on making things peaceful.

However, Katsuki's tears were exclusively about Izuku himself. He couldn't give him his all to stop the tears because he himself was the target of his pain; Izuku couldn't deal with that, not with Katsuki crying over him, nor expressing a selfish desire to keep OFA longer, to grieve the loss.

With Katsuki, it all becomes way too personal for what he can take, because the tears are about his lost dream, and its Kacchan.

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the worst thing that came out of 431 is ppl truly believing kacchan was a wingman

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This week we get the final chapter of the main series so. Let’s all remember to try to enjoy it -if you can’t see yourself doing it, then maybe it would be better to not read it now, or ever. i got an ask about how the series went to trash, and while that’s someone’s opinion, I don’t appreciate the negativity in bad faith towards a piece of work that has been going on for such a long time -there are things you will dislike or like more because of the context, your own expectations, etc. being aware of this could be helpful to try to decide what to do when it comes to this. Many of us have enjoyed this manga/anime for years, and I don’t think it’s better to constantly try to see how shitty everything is bc it doesn’t fulfill your standards. Let’s try to have a nice moment just one last time and keep an open mind.

Also the usual, don’t harass ppl and shit.

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spoilers for chapter 429

idk if you guys remember but ochako does have parallels with All Might, specifically as the side who saves. It’s not that he feels the same for them both or something like that, they serve to represent the type of heroism he naturally goes to; his friend is not his love interest, from his perspective she’s out there having a crisis over not being able to save her, and Izuku reminds her that she is a hero bc she is his hero -she saved him multiple times, and she should be able to feel like a proper hero.

This conversation is not about the nature of their relationship, is about heroism; Izuku relates to a conflict between being a hero who saves and failing to save someone, and doesn’t want to see Ochako ending spiraling because she couldn’t also fulfill that role as expected. She’s his hero not because he loves her romantically -he’s a nerd I’m sure he would be way more nervous and blushing if he was confessing anything he thought was romantic- but because she’s able to go and do what All Might does to Izuku, save him physically and emotionally.

He knows she hides her feelings in order to not be a burden, yet he doesn’t talk about his own feelings outside of his guilt in heroics -what does he feel about losing OFA? About his own failures? About the people he personally lost? He can’t talk for others and claim Ochako is everyone’s hero, but he can speak for himself, and that’s his personal perspective -she is a hero to him, she’s his hero. And then the class appears to make sure she’s able to get support and understand she’s not alone, and she’s important to them too.

but Izuku doesn’t get support. Izuku cries a little and talks a little about himself, but he doesn’t get supported. If this was meant to be romantic, I don’t understand why he would hold back what’s inside of him.

the end of the chapter reveals that boy is going to be helped by that woman who regretfully ignored Tenko, and they both witness it and are happy about it while hearing izuku inspired that change, and iida wonders what’s up with them -this is the conclusion to their relationship. In their hearts these two are saviors who struggle to be heroes who save others, and they are happy there are appearing more people who want to be heroes like them. Heroes who save. Save like All Might.

That grandma for example, interpreting the narrative as what I think is intended, would be that boy’s All Might; she’s his hero.

Izuku and Ochako are heroes who save, and Deku is here to remind her at least she did save him many times, that she is still a hero because she is his hero. I don’t believe is meant to be interpreted as romantic, not that Izuku sees that phrase as it neither -after all, he said he does want to be like All Might and feels good to imitate him, but he doesn’t love him.

Ochako’s All Might hair moment, the parallels with Toshinori telling him he can be a hero, the trying to save from black suffocating quirks, the we can do it and do your best…

Do I need to remind you heroes arent a romantic thing for Izuku Midoriya?

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Stop treating the queer ship like the hetero one

I think some ppl truly, truly forget queer ships in canon media DONT GET MOMENTS TOGETHER TO STAY TOGETHER

i think many ppl try to compare them to hetero ships as if "if it was romantic, they would have done that instead of this" or "then why didnt they get to talk more or be called special" idk, maybe bc queer ships dont get screen time? Bc they kill off the characters? Bc this compromises the conservative public and mostly, the ppl in control of that particular media? Its literally not the same, which is why these ships get subtle nods instead even when they are intended to be canon -historically speaking too!-.

You dont accidentally make something queer bc of this, and many do forget or ignore this fact; giving katsuki the typical heroine role, being targeted by AFO, and also knowing Nana's husband also was a pro hero and died while fighting AFO (info from the fanbook), is not a silly little mistake, and even more so coming from fans of shonen and hero comics.

This isnt an oopsie moment, this wasn't just to gain a cheap shippy moment -it was important to strike fear in the audience, so we could feel the despair and hopelessness, just to get him back and be The Light of Hope-.

It wasn't a silly mistake to take away the platonic route we were all waiting for, it wasn't a silly mistake to make it clear Katsuki cares so so much when he started with such a negative attitude towards Deku, its not a silly mistake to never say they are like brothers, its not a silly mistake that izuku and ochako never got a romantic confession scene, nor that they did a handshake instead of lovingly holding hands, its not a silly mistake to have deku and ochako stop being close in their adulthood as a reason to want to talk more, it wasn't a silly mistake to have himiko say "live freely" instead of "live and love freely" like she always does, it wasn't a silly mistake that katsuki and izuku's relationship is never treated as a gay joke for laughs, its not a silly mistake that ochako got completely separated from the final fight to focus on a mother girl instead of him, its not a silly mistake for AFO to not go after her at all nor even suggesting it.

These are choices, regardless of how satisfied you are with them.

I refuse to accept the idea that everything queer is always a case of the author making two friends and forgetting about the female character just bc of misogyny -while yes the misogynistic writing is there, very clearly, the queer writing wasn't a natural consequence of it all, and in fact many of the opposites fit pretty well in the misogynistic writing (her being his hope so AFO kills her easily, making him seem like a monster for example, or using terms like brothers when describing bkdk bond)-.

In fact, considering who Deku is, the whole my hero thing was expected for bkdk bc it was a ship moment that works for the platonic intention (from the author) and interpretation (from the audience); many of us were imagining the future chapters at the time with that in mind, to keep the perspective that they have to fit into the platonic side of things realistically while being important to each other. We would see it as a ship moment bc thats what ship moments are -scene the characters are together, regardless of how much they interact, and if they are important to each other, the ship fandom side gets wild and happy about it even if its meant to be platonic-.

And all of the sudden, when ochako gets called that, everyone thinks bkdks are being hypocrites for not seeing it as romantic -this is the thing, its not the same bc its hetero-. This was our potentially-romantic-scene-if-you-wanted-to-see-it-that-way-with-possible-deniability bc they are two boys, they were expected to get the platonic route and treatment, the you are like my brother treatment; a hetero ship does in fact NOT need platonic possible deniability, such a weak and harmless ship in theory does NOT need ambiguity, or platonic options, or to get the concept about heroism instead of personal closeness, it does not need to separate, go their own way with not many interactions and now want to be closer than what they are now used to, etc.

I believe this happened bc of how popular bkdk is, and thats wild; even non shippers saw the romantic implications, and was in an actual competition with the supposedly clearly canon hetero ship! thats not typical nor normal! this is a queer ship, it does NOT operate on the same ground nor rules as hetero ships, and we need to remember that. It is wild! And it makes sense that they didnt get more alone moments when you picture it like that, from my perspective, bc if they had... with that we know, they wouldnt get the "you are my hero" platonic moment. They wouldnt get a "I want to talk to you more, not just today but from now on too" after getting a small high school memory, one of the last moments they were actually close and hanging out. They wouldnt get a handshake while agreeing to reconnect.

If they wouldnt get any of these, bc ochako and deku got them... what would they actually get? What would their handhold be? Why cant we see them alone, when we know they are the closest to each other and care so much?

Why cant they actually be alone, when we all know they are the core of the series and even the author likes to write their dynamic?

Why did the hetero ship get the platonic with possible romantic perspective if you want to see it options we were expecting when picturing a realistic platonic bkdk ending in a conservative media?

Thats a hetero ship, stop treating it like its a queer one.

This a queer ship, so stop treating it like its a hetero one.

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y'all sure do love genderbending male characters instead of talking about the actual female characters

girl you really just sent this ask to any gay shipper without checking the account huh