#gsm stuff

[swordplease]

I love and support gay poc and gay couples where any party is a poc and non binary poc and bi poc and trans poc I love and support them all!!!!!

[profbadvibes]

the feminine urge to hold up my external hard drive by the cord like a ghostbuster holding a ghost trap

[mouseyfox]

I'm feeling a bit torn right now. It seems as if all of the popular terminology for the community has at least in some point in time has been offensive or problematic for some reason or other. (I'm a bit low on spoons after my shift so I'm just grazing through searches and not doing a whole lot of incredibly in-depth research at the moment so a lot of the sources I'll be providing are not the best, but they work for a general overview for now.)

Queer/Queer Community has been used as a slur since the 1950s to the 1970s, and was only recently attempted to be reclaimed by the community in the 1980s. (x x x)

LGBT+, Alphabet Soup, LGBTQA, and all the other possible letters to go with it has been consistently problematic as more terms for sexualities, gender identities, and romantic identities are coined the acronym simply can't keep up. There's also the issues regarding arguing/misrepresentation of what the "A" stands for and the general heatedness of that topic which is still currently ongoing. (x x)

MOGAI/MOGII seems to have some current Tumblr discussions on its inclusivity as a community and whether or not it shows acceptance towards TPOC (Trans People of Color). I'm still not sure if this is a widespread discussion of if it's just certain parts of Tumblr discussing it and honestly I'm not awake enough to look further into the issue right now. (Again as I am not a TPOC there's not much I can say on the issue, and would not feel comfortable providing more information on a topic I'm not qualified to speak towards, but I'll give you the posts that I've seen on it thusfar.) (x x)

GSM seems to have a problem where part of the term, Lars Ullerstam actually only coined the term “sexual minority” in "The Erotic Minorities: A Swedish View" (Grove, 1966) and not “gender and sexual minority”, which seems in fact to be a newer term that does not include pedophilia, rape, or kinks/fetishes in its description but there is an on-going issue at the idea of kinksters, fetishests, and pedophiles potentially still using the term "sexual minority" which could possibly bring issue with using the term Gender and Sexual Minority as it includes "sexual minority" in the phrase. Also, GSM does not include Romantic Minorities which could be solved by changing the title to GSRM but still leads to the question if this is problematic because of a link to Lars Ullerstam. (x x x x x x x x)

So, in the end? I'm certainly not sure which term is the best, and they all bring up points for discussion for sure. I suppose just when you speak to people in general try to be as inclusive and accepting as you can, and if you accidentally offend someone you can always apologize and open things up for future discussions to understand why the person was offended as well as what could be done to possibly fix that problem in the future either between you two or for the community in general.

Adage: I did find an interesting article on Avoiding Heterosexual Bias in Language you can check out if you're interested. Also found a good article on Advocate for Youth's website that could be a handy reference for helping teens look at an overview of some community terminology.

[mouseyfox]

jsyk the current go to push for a more inclusive term is MOGAI (marginalized orientations, gender alignments, and intersex), GSRM was coined by someone who wanted the harmful sexualities to be normalised (bestiality, pedophilia, etc.)

I've just answered an ask on this same topic, but based off of what I've seen recently GSRM/GSM was not actually in fact coined by Lars Ullerstam, but in fact only the term "sexual minority" was coined by him which I realize is just a hairsbreadth of a different but it seems at least like something to consider. 

I've been seeing a few arguments against MOGAI and MOGII as potentially being not inclusive towards Trans persons, and Trans persons of color (TPOC), and not potentially creating a safe space for such which is part of the reason why I'm trying to look at all of the labels available so far and see if maybe some could be tweaked or if some of the currently popularly available ones work best. Admittedly, I haven't seen much on MOGAI or MOGII myself, and not being a TPOC I can't really say much on the topic or speak from personal experience regarding the feeling of inclusivity for the term.

Thank you for your ask though it is appreciated. =]

[mouseyfox]

GSM was also a term coined Lars Ullerstam who included pedophiles under that umbrella so it makes people uncomfortable.

Ahhhh okay, I did not know that. I had seen an argument regarding pedophiles being shoved under a sexual minority umbrella but I was not aware that this was the term in question. Thank you so much for the added information.

It's looking more like I may either adjust my tags to instead be GSRM or potentially go back to using the more widespread LGBT+ label.

Adage: From what I'm seeing from some Googling on my own it appears that Lars Ullerstam actually only coined the term "sexual minority" in "The Erotic Minorities: A Swedish View" (Grove, 1966) and not "gender and sexual minority", which seems in fact to be a newer term that does not include pedophilia, rape, or kinks/fetishes in its description. (x x x x x x) 

Some of the links are for just discussions on the topic, but the last is a link to a preview of an article on JSTOR that includes a quote fro Ullerstam's book that shows that it used the term "sexual minority" instead of "gender and sexual minority"

[mouseyfox]

Seeing Drake argue with all these people about cisphobia kinda makes me wanna crawl up under my skin and hide there. Not because of Drake or that Drake is engaging with them but because I'm pansexual and cis and every time I see sjw posts or posts about gender posts there is almost always a comment about hoe cisgendered people should die or just go away and it makes me want to cry. I mean really we're part of the same minority umbrella and yet I'm afraid to engage with people in my own community sometimes for fear of being shut out because my gender matches my genitals. I didn't ask to be cis anymore than trans people asked to be trans. I also didn't ask to be pansexual either but whelp yaknow that happened too. On the other hand when I do see my trans friends being excluded, even within the GSM community it makes me MADDER THAN HELL. Like how DARE you. How DARE you as someone excluded from society who has been bullied and oppressed turn around and do the same thing within your own fucking community. I've experienced conversations like this at work surrounded by other coworkers and I had to work so hard to make sure I didn't start straight up screaming at the other GSM person who made an ignorant comment about disliking trans persons and denying their identity. I hate hearing people talk badly about trans people, hell about ANYONE they think is "different". It's WRONG. I don't care WHAT group you are from hate breeds nothing but MORE hate and gets you nowhere but a foot closer to a living hell and I don't know about anyone else but I would rather make attempts to step forward then keep going in circles full or hate and vitrol and a refusal to ever grow as a person.

[aturinfortheworse]

It still seems super weird to me that we discuss sexual attraction in terms of gender?

I mean sexual attraction is primarily or at least largely based on bodies and gender doesn't determine your body or your presentation. You literally don't know anyone's gender until you speak to them and most people don't need to speak to someone to be attracted to them. 

Like IDK I think presentation is probably the main thing? Sex and genitals might have some bearing on sexual compatibility. Gender probably has some bearing on intellectual/emotional compatibility.

I'm actually kind of confused about how someone can be like "I am attracted exclusively to men" because like ??? Anyone could be a man. I could be a man. Natalie Dormer could be a man. Tom Hiddleston could be a woman. Would that knowledge actually influence whether you were attracted to them? I mean I guess I can see how it could, but it doesn't seem like that's true for most people. 

[mouseyfox]

That moment when you talk to other friends in the gender and sex minority and you realize how many of us have parents that are homophobic, or just don't understand, or are awful regarding this one aspect of parenting... even if some of them are great on all the rest of it.

Especially when they're a pastor and you can't manage to get through to them that they're not living up to their own religion by acting that way.

*sighs deeply*