#guattari

[beingharsh]

But anyway, there's no more point complaining in advance about misinterpretations, since you can't predict them, than fighting against them once they're made. It's better to get on with something else, to work with people going in the same direction. As for being responsible or irresponsible, we don't recognize those notions, they're for policemen and courtroom psychiatrists.

Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari on Anti-Oedipus

[grandpasessions]

Actually, to assert–as I do–that the lived-world of schizophrenic delusion is characterized by what might be called subjectivization may at first sound fairly consistent with these classic images.

The traditional assumption, however, is that schizophrenic patients project subjective meanings onto the objective world, not that they have at least an implicit awareness of these meanings as subjective.

Further, those who have attempted to understand or interpret schizophrenic delusions have nearly always understood the subjectivization in accordance with the psychoanalytic regression hypothesis, that is, as being a manifestation of a certain primitivization of consciousness: of regression to the id-dominated grandiosity and wish-fulfillment fantasizing of early infancy, or to immature forms of experience that precede development of a sense of self, of a capacity for self-critical metaawareness (consciousness of consciousness), or of the differentiation between subjective and objective, inner and outer.

And the position of radical anti-psychiatric writers—Norman O. Brown, Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, and R.D. Laing, for example—is surprisingly similar to the psychoanalytic one.

They too see psychosis as something childlike or Dionysian, though they then make the romantic move of valorizing rather than pathologizing these supposedly primitive and uncontrolled conditions.

The Paradoxes of Delusion: Wittgenstein, Schreber, and the Schizophrenic Mind

Louis A. Sass

[sluttyhaecceities]

"That is why the fundamental problem of political philosophy is still precisely the one that Spinoza saw so clearly, and that Wilhelm Reich rediscovered: "Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation?" How can people possibly reach the point of shouting: "More taxes! Less bread!"? As Reich remarks, the astonishing thing is not that some people steal or that others occasionally go out on strike, but rather that all those who are starving do not steal as a regular practice, and all those who are exploited are not continually out on strike: after centuries of exploitation, why do people still tolerate being humiliated and enslaved, to such a point, indeed, that they actually want humiliation and slavery not only for others but for themselves? Reich is at his profoundest as a thinker when he refuses to accept ignorance or illusion on the part of the masses as an explanation of fascism, and demands an explanation that will take their desires into account, an explanation formulated in terms of desire: no, the masses were not innocent dupes; at a certain point, under a certain set of conditions, they wanted fascism, and it is this perversion of the desire of the masses that needs to be accounted for."

Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, Anti Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia (Page 29)

[synthome]

do you like Guattari?

I’m not familiar! Anti-Oedipus has been on my read later pile for a long while now, but I never got to it (Deleuze intimidates me). A really, really superficial review of his biography and works is making me think I’ll probably like him a great deal—Schizoanalytic Cartographies sounds especially interesting. People are saying his dense indecipherable language comes free with a bunch of dense indecipherable diagrams which I love with all my heart. So the answer is no because I don’t know him, but I might in the future :-)

[ssjkamui-digitalphoenixug]

One small thing regarding the more General AI Discussion. There is a weird conspiracy theory claiming that the demon seals of the ars goetia represent computer circuitry.

That is obviously NOT the case as computer circuitry does not use moons etc.

But nevertheless. Let's think there might be some truth to it.

That is just my personal impression but I think while some parts can be seen as Logic Gates, stuff like resistors, capacitors, coils etc. Are more common. And these components control and Regulate flows of energy. Literally.

So, demons and the AI control you by redirecting, regulating and controlling your energy if you complete that thought Experiment 🤔

And you might know, according to Nick land, AI is connected to deleuzian "flows of desire"

[altrbody]

One of the less noted debts of Deleuze and Guattari's work is the inspiration they take from Franz Fanon and an accompanying antioedipal sense that the human is but one way in which one might think of existence and one that ought to be placed within a history of colonization and racialization. The subject for whom the world is a structure of sense beyond which lies the dark night of chaos is the outcome of a history in which complex social machines are contracted until we arrive at the private individual whose desires have been rendered personal and familial. If we are the effect of a history of evolving perceptions that can be mapped in relation to technologies, it would be both possible and desirable to think of potentialities beyond the human, because desire itself transcends and precedes the human. What makes Fanon's work so important today becomes evident when reading Deleuze and Guattari's debt to Fanon.

It may make sense to experience one's desire as being at odds with one's world; it might also be necessary—to quote Fanon quoting Aimé Césaire-to demand the end of the world:

we sing of poisonous flowers bursting in meadows of fury;

skies of love struck by clots of blood; epileptic mornings; the white

burning of abyssal sands, the sinking of wrecked ships in the middle of nights rent by the smell of wild beasts.

What can I do?

I must begin.

Begin what?

The only thing in the world that's worth beginning:

The End of the World, no less.

—Claire Colebrook, Who Would You Kill to Save the World?

[murlopal]

Oh, to be loved by a communist

She'd love me like she loves our party and she'd fuck me like she'd fuck the enemy of the people

[tofutasties]

A schizoanalysis schizophrenizes in order to break the holds of power and institute research into a new collective subjectivity and a revolutionary healing of mankind. For we are sick, so sick, of our selves!

—Mark Seem, Introduction to Anti-Oedipus (1983)