#hbsers

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hazel2468 replied to your post “mormoopidae replied to your post “My autistic ass is wondering if...”

So I googled HBSer and I could only find some truscum defining it- it's like the predecessor to transmedicalsim/truscum as we know those things today?

Pretty much, yeah. HBS stands for “Harry Benjamin Syndrome,” which is what HBSers tried to rename transness to. The name comes from Dr. Harry Benjamin, who formalized transition care and defined “transsexualism” in an extremely cisheterosexist way that included the foundations of literally every gatekeeping argument since then - HBSers want to stick to Dr. Benjamin’s definition and hyperpathologize transness.

Literally every single transmed argument is an HBS argument with a new coat of paint slapped on it. Literally every single HBS argument (except “they’ll cut off our care because of all these fakers!) traces back to “What an aged cishet man thought about gender roles in the mid-1950s.” It’s a mess.

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mormoopidae replied to your post “mormoopidae replied to your post “My autistic ass is wondering if...”

as a modern identifier it’s been associated with people whose beliefs are rather extreme and who deny the existence of gay and bi trans people as well as nonbinary people. but that’s my experience from this discourse a few years ago, where the people who identified as hbsers were vocally angry with truscum for allowing these people.

btw i don’t like to get involved in any medical/non-medical trans discourse bc as far as i’m concerned people can do what they want and hrt should be easy to obtain since it’s an individual decision that has a lot of factors and isn’t even exclusive to trans ppl. i lurked a lot when i was a teenager bc i was just figuring out gender stuff and all the infighting definitely didn’t help, but at least the resources on dysphoria did.

Modern? It’s 13 years old. It just endorses and relies on trans politics from 1955.

And yes, a lot of (but not all) HBSers are violently queerantagonistic; it’s a natural consequence of the “otherwise normal” part of their politics.

(And no, in my experience and those of my NB headmates and partners, truscum and transmeds are not particularly accepting of NB people. Extremely, violently the opposite of that, in fact.)

But... if you don’t want to be associated with those people, you probably shouldn’t be taking your politics, tactics, terminology, and identifiers from them?

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mormoopidae replied to your post “My autistic ass is wondering if truscum realize medicalization and...”

calling a bi man an hbser is so woke omg

I didn’t realize that “HBSer” was a description of a particular gender and sexual orientation. I thought it was descriptive of a political framework deriving largely from Dr. Benjamin’s definition of transsexualism as laid out in The Transsexual Phenomenon, that describes transness as an unfortunate neurological condition or birth defect in an otherwise “normal” person, and has a very strong tendency to use wildly outmoded terms like “transsexual” and “I wish trans people didn’t exist.”

Silly me.

[apple-dandy]

No one mentioned that K*lvin G*rr*h was a literal freaking child out here giving new life to freaking Harry Benjamin Syndrome and here I was worried he had like credentials.

A teenage bully with a god complex. SMH. Get well soon.

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hey, if you catch a free moment and want to respond, what exactly are truscum and tucutes? i’ve been looking around trying to figure it out, but i can’t get a good answer. thanks! hope you’re doing okay!

Truscum are kids who have been duped into swallowing every last drop of Harry Benjamin Syndrome ideology except the bits that personally apply to them.

“tucute” is a term that a trans minor came up with for people who adhere to trans politics as they’ve existed throughout our history (ie, that trans people are trans regardless of how they experience their transness.)

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mormoopidae replied to your post “mormoopidae replied to your post “mormoopidae replied to your post ...”

“as a modern identifier” meaning people in the lgbt community who call them self’s hbsers in the present day. also i don’t know what politics or terminology i’m using from truscum? just because i have a friend with different opinions than me? anyway i don’t associate with people who don’t support nb ppl. wouldn’t make sense to, since i’m nb myself

General-you, not specific you. The note you (specific-you) entered this conversation on was telling me that it’s bad to compare someone who was literally using HBS politics, terminology, tactics, and identifiers... to an HBSer.

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There is nothing that has made my heart ache as much as discovering an entire cadre of HBSer TWERF-apologists on this site, who are all too happy to concede to TWERFs on all other trans women’s behalf for the sake of nominal respectability.

(folks other than trans women / dmab trans people, don’t reblog)

[punlich]

Are there any “transmedicalists” following me? Because I find it necessary to remind you that I loathe you, that my revulsion for you and your opinions actually causes me physical pain, that is how much contempt I have for you.

So I mean if you want to keep following me, whatever, but just remember that you disgust me. You are following someone who thinks you’re scum.