#historic-rambles

[newdream3273]

So, following my last grim research post on hanging in the 18th century, here's another one.

Bloody Code, several European countries adopted this in the 17th-18th centuries where most property crimes were treated as capital offenses (even if you so much as stole a hankerchief) in order to deter crime. Capital crimes you could commit went from a list of 50 in the 1600s to nearly 220 in the early 19th century when they finally realized maybe killing everyone wasn't moral.

In the Bloody Code the age of discretion and criminal responsibility was 14, but could be as young as 7 if the child's intent was considered malicious or it was determined they knew right from wrong.

7-14+ could be hanged for stealing so much as an apple.

Soooo yeah, how about that fellow Varian and Eugene fans?

Also, suddenly Frederic saying he can't throw Red and Angry into prison is so much more merciful looking back.

[newdream3273]

Fun exercise after reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Caveat_or_Warning_for_Common_Cursitors

Vardaros Rogue Hierarchy (Harman-Criteria)

Baron > Upright Man (apex crime boss, controls the network)

Weasel > Ruffler (chief enforcer/right-hand, usurps temporarily)

Stalyan > Wild Dell (born heir, raised in crime)

Eugene / Lance > Former Kinchin Coves > reformed adult rogues

Kiera / Catalina > Kinchin Morts (young girl thieves recruited/exploited)

Stabbington Brothers > Kinchin Coves grown into loyal/unreliable rogues. (The only ones we see as teens who fit Harman's 'better off hanged/dead' approach to child rogues)

Other:

Mother Gothel > Doxy (exploitative lone female rogue)

Cassandra > Wild Dell (born to Doxy, inherits predisposition to knavery/resentment)

Varian > Kinchin Cove-like youth turned rogue inventor (descent via abandonment/betrayal)

Lady Caine > Wild Dell

[newdream3273]

Was reading history research on executions, and if Tangled was 18th century (I know it has no canon era and the director once said 15th to someone) but people typically push 18th.

This is interesting.

"After 1752, the number of ‘hanging days’ increased due to the requirement that convicted murderers be executed two days after sentencing, or three should the second day fall on a Sunday."

So even murderers, one of the most heinous criminal types had 2 days to live after sentencing (sentence implies trial).

Yet Eugene who committed high treason stealing the crown was literally morning after with pressumedly no sentencing

Because high treason carried the worst punishment.

"While murderers had a strict 2-day limit, high treason was considered the ultimate threat to the sovereign, resulting in immediate or highly publicized spectacles."

The worse.

Men convicted of high treason were typically dragged on a hurdle to the execution site, hanged (sometimes cut down while still conscious), disembowelled, emasculated, beheaded, and quartered.

And even if you take out all of the special parts for men in that last quote. Hanging itself was still worse pre-19th century as it was the short-drop where they hung until strangled because they didn't take measurements for neck-breaks until a century later.

"Because the drop was not calculated to kill instantly, the executioner often had to pull on the legs of the condemned, or climb on their shoulders, to speed up death."

That's dark to hint Disney, very dark. No wonder you sanitized the series and only ever mentioned the noose in one episode.

Also:Prisoners were often permitted to drink alcohol on the way to the gallows to "anaesthetise" themselves.

Because it's Disney, he wouldn't have gotten this either.

The more you know, yay research.