I know its a cringe url, I made it over a decade ago, if you actually know and follow me you'd know im not a supporter of jkr anymore/ive posted against her and her transphobia.
Hi. I'm going to be very blunt here about your question in the FF writers community. Firstly. You are NOT the only survivor on earth. The REST OF US are allowed to cope with our personal devastating life ruining trauma in whatever helps US best. I have a trauma specialized therapist and have been a 'survivor' since the Clinton administration. I cope in a way that has been personally healing to me. I owe you ZERO explanation. Secondly? They AREN'T REAL. They are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They cannot be hurt. So the author is not committing crimes by writing stories. Thirdly it is not the job of authors to teach children or adults life lessons and basic morality. Fiction is not a one to one correspondence with reality and it is not the job or function of fiction to purify the world of all sin and wrongdoing. Stories serve many different jobs. So, I'm sorry, that IS an acceptable answer, because that's how fiction works. Fourthly, as a survivor who then went on to become a mental health professional, I and every single sexologist on EARTH can PROMISE YOU that what arouses people sexually has NO BEARING on their IRL behavior. Violent kinks have ZERO correlation with violent behaviors outside of consensual contexts. Fifthly the hand wringing about how 'it's a fetish now!!11!' is inaccurate AT BEST. People have had sexual assault fantasies since Antiquity, its one of the most common kinks on earth and always has been. Sixth. You say you are trying to ask a genuine question, but the language you used is combative and shaming. Consenting adults are permitted to read and write whatever they want and you are permitted to not read it. You are responsible for managing YOUR content intact, no one else's. Censorship is never the answer. EVER.
Alright, canary-prince, I’ll be blunt with you as well!
As those of you who aren’t aware, this person is from a community on Tumblr, who so gracefully wanted to bless me with their obvious hate because they took a question that was asked for the thought process of examining a topic that wasn’t at all a social topic but a WRITING one. How funny is that? Missed the assignment by a whole planet on this one.
Firstly. You are NOT the only survivor on earth. The REST OF US are allowed to cope with our personal devastating life ruining trauma in whatever helps US best. I have a trauma specialized therapist and have been a 'survivor' since the Clinton administration. I cope in a way that has been personally healing to me. I owe you ZERO explanation.
I’ll say this: I never said anything like that. I never claimed I was anything but someone who lived it myself and pointed out what I thought of this topic. I made references to it because it would help those who went through it to understand that I am not stating anything from the point of view of someone who doesn’t understand or whatever the case might be. Yes, writing rape or whatever might help you with what you went through is fine, I am not stating you can or can not do that. You, as someone who has stated that lived through this, seemed to believe I demanded something of you when I hardly thought of you in the first place.
The question was layered and oblivious to those who commented on it, but you went the emotional route. Yes, I had one of those therapists as well, and for you to bring it up like that speaks more about your character than you realize. You are not better than me because YOU choose to do this or that or have this therapist or that therapist. Also, YOU DO NOT speak for others, as you like to point out to me, and I DO NOT speak for others, including you. How we handle things is different, case by case, person by person. You like to point fingers, as stated by the first thing you wrote. You are being blunt, like you said, but you aren’t someone who has done anything with that therapy or the money you spent on it.
Coping is fine, but as you’ll mention, you have been working since the Clinton administration, which makes no sense in the overall statement of either my question or the point of bringing it up. I don’t think you have faced what happened to you in a serious way (since we are making claims here). You have put effort into taking someone who has their own problems, someone who has pushed past something that has happened to them, and then sat behind a screen. And told them, that their life experience in this fucked world is what? Nothing because you came from the Clinton administration, and you have a therapist. But also, in that same response you speak of yourself a lot, while also claiming I speak for others who have also shared the same thought as me in the comments, as I and many others (number unknown) don’t like to see our experiences written such a way, regardless of the intent.
I also have no interest in your explanation; nothing you can say would be worthy of explaining your behavior.
Secondly? They AREN'T REAL. They are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They cannot be hurt. So the author is not committing crimes by writing stories.
First, why is this a question? Are you not sure if this is a second thing or not?
Anyway, I know they aren’t real, and they are fictional characters, but that wasn’t the point of the conversation or the question. It’s not the characters but the PEOPLE reading it. Yes, people can use the back button. Yes, they can understand that this is wrong. Yes, I know the characters aren’t getting hurt, and yes, I know that the author isn’t committing a crime; no one said that.
As a comment said:
“Ugh, I'm so sorry that happened! And they were wrong, whatever you read does indeed have an effect on you. It affects how you think and act. While it may not be immediate It will happen. I never cuss but after reading fanfiction after fanfiction which had cursing I soon let it slip a couple of times which made me pretty disappointed in myself. But anyways, totally agree with you on this matter!”
Media can shape or form an opinion of a society or a group of people, hence the “divide” between generations prior and after 911. A lot of articles talk about this, and you could literally do a Google search. Since you have been around a while, you should be aware of this more than anyone else.
“Social media wields cultural influence on fashion and food trends, family and adolescent health issues, world news and local events, political and community action events…” - Social Media Impact: How Social Media Sites Affect Society, American Public University.
The above snippet comments on the general view of the impact social media has on us as a whole. This means a lot of us view things differently based on how active we are online. Media is something that influences us in many ways based on many factors.
“Media influence is the actual force exerted by a media message, resulting in either a change or reinforcement in audience or individual beliefs. Whether a media message has an effect on any of its audience members is contingent on many factors, including audience demographics and psychological characteristics”- Influence of mass media, Wikipedia
With this mentioned, I would argue that what you said isn’t wrong in either the first or second part, even though I am sure you are still trying to figure out if the word ‘second’ is a question or not. The author isn’t committing a crime, but it could or could not lead to one. In a society where a good percentage of people are online, it means the understanding (no one is dumb, or that I am calling anyone dumb) of right and wrong is… at best questioned. I say this with the notion that some people know of real rape videos that are posted and titled as “fantasy” and people, who aren’t the wiser will take it as “fantasy” and with that said, there are people that have kinks that have “catharsis and control”. This does not mean everyone likes it, and it does not mean everyone hates it either. You can not force people to like your things because it's how you “cope,” but then turn around and shame someone for bringing it up as a topic.
Thirdly it is not the job of authors to teach children or adults life lessons and basic morality. Fiction is not a one to one correspondence with reality and it is not the job or function of fiction to purify the world of all sin and wrongdoing. Stories serve many different jobs. So, I'm sorry, that IS an acceptable answer, because that's how fiction works.
At least we know this is an actual response, and you aren’t doubting whether it is a statement or not.
Let’s be honest, no one wants to raise anyone else's child or teach a grown adult anything, so the balls to make that notion is just amazing. Fiction does and will always teach a lesson at its core. Stories from before the printed word did so to help us stay alive, to avoid certain areas or even people depending on the situation. The notion that fiction doesn’t teach something or affect one's view of something just shows you have been out of the schoolhouse for too long and lost your way, little fancy rat. The morals of people aren’t based on stories - not fully anyway - it's based on the person's family and friend unit, which honestly shows more than you know.
Also, yes, fiction does correspond with reality, themes, plots, and characters. Hell, historical fiction is a genre. But I agree it’s not there to do anything of the sort in terms of “purify the world of all sin and wrongdoing.” I would say that authors do have some responsibility in terms of how they go about writing it. Yes, some stories serve a purpose, but there are differences between writing rape for the sake of it, and then writing it with a purpose, and I feel like you don’t write with a purpose, and that’s me stretching for that apple of knowledge if I am honest, is a rotten one at that. Also, no, “They are fictional characters,” isn’t one because real people like in bands have fan fiction writers, and so, your statement doesn’t fall well into place. I am not saying those who write K-pop fan fiction or actor/actress fan fiction will do bad things, but there is a line, and I am worried about whether or not people will see it and know what to do when crossing it.
In your words, “that's how fiction works” is a statement that shouldn’t be said by someone who has a bad-faith argument fueled by an emotional response.
Fourthly, as a survivor who then went on to become a mental health professional, I and every single sexologist on EARTH can PROMISE YOU that what arouses people sexually has NO BEARING on their IRL behavior. Violent kinks have ZERO correlation with violent behaviors outside of consensual contexts.
Hmm, I really like how you threw in your job title. I didn’t know I was looking for an employee in such a field.
I have a real question: do you not know of serial rapists? They are violent people with kinks that turn violent to the victims that they had taken by FORCE or drugged, which anyone with half a mind can list people within their own state, city, and country if they Google it. That’s not even the tip of the iceberg because if you don’t count the serial killers that also rape their victims, but as a sexologist, you should be aware of that. But then again, to so BOLDLY suggest that there is zero correlation with violent behaviors outside of consensual context is like saying, “I know she was 11, but she so wanted it!” When that child did nothing to state so. So, very VIOLENT rape is just someone that happened to forget their safe word?
Also it feels like you are from the old mindset, but at the same time, I don’t know if you could be right or not, or I could be wrong or right; who knows honestly.
Fifthly the hand wringing about how 'it's a fetish now!!11!' is inaccurate AT BEST. People have had sexual assault fantasies since Antiquity, its one of the most common kinks on earth and always has been.
That’s fine; no one is saying it’s wrong, but when there isn’t consent, there’s an issue, and those were the ones I am talking about. Fetishes, in the grand scheme of things, are okay, totally fine. BUT, like I said, the consent is important; yes, people have fantasies, I have them and I am sure my grandmother does as well, old wrinkly cunt of a woman. Though, from the casual search I have done, there was a study done in 1998 on this topic, and again in 2009 with a smaller group. With that said, the types of things they fantasied about varied, but yes, those kinks do live on in the modern era, and I have no problem with that.
BUT what I am referring to is anything but a kink, where it’s clear that the character themselves DOES NOT want it but then has to justify it to themselves later on, which is not okay. Dark Romances are, IN MY OPINION, not a good example of what consent looks like. 1,000 no’s and a single yes doesn’t equal to a kink or fantasy; that’s a victim having to give into the predator because their safety isn’t assured. The idea of someone, like yourself or me or anyone who has been raped, who has to deal with the idea that what happened to us was now deemed acceptable because our predators now have an out of “oh well, everyone has a rape kink/fantasy!” is outrageous in the most unbelievable way. The fact that you cite something and deem it common, then go, “HA! GOTCHA!” is like me saying the majority of the people in a room like chocolate ice cream but ignoring the others that like vanilla ice cream instead.
Kinks or fantasy are not the same, I was once told by someone who knew someone with a mental disability that had a fantasy of some movie that they liked and then killed their little brother (or was it a cousin?) and then ate them, thinking they could fly because of that. With your logic, that’s a fantasy, so why is that person in jail? Fantasies are normal and common, right? So, why are rapist, killers, and mental pasitens looked up because of them?
Sixth. You say you are trying to ask a genuine question, but the language you used is combative and shaming. Consenting adults are permitted to read and write whatever they want and you are permitted to not read it. You are responsible for managing YOUR content intact, no one else's. Censorship is never the answer. EVER.
Alright, we are at the end! Here we go!
Yes, and I actively use the back button, which I am sure you don’t use at any point, and I don’t comment on anything I don’t think I fully understand or can actively hold a genuine conversation with another ADLUT in a way that we both can either learn or come to an understanding. I don’t shame people for what they like or not like; I am open and honest with my feelings. Whether you like it or not, I am ALLOWED to feel or not feel about something. Also, do you not know that children lie or click on things they aren’t supposed to? I know I did! But I don’t care what your argument is at this point, You are shaming me for actively holding a conversation with adults, which you couldn’t handle because your small world would crumble at the notion that people are rational and can read properly and understand nuances that you can’t.
Also, victims come in all shades, styles, beliefs, etc, I do not believe in censorship or whatever you want to claim that I do or do not do.
The language I chose did not come off as either combative or shaming because everyone else understood and weren’t emotional about it. If you want to come after a victim because they don’t fit your mold because they have faced their issues better than you and can hold a serious talk about this topic, then that’s on you, you warrior of delulu land.
Keep in mind that I never go out of my to antagonize the Nalu fandom. I make my posts with the correct tags and (one or two) fans come after me. These aren’t even responses to the posts I’m harshest towards Nalu or in extreme support of Nali. You’ll see...
First, an easy one.
reply from an ask about Chapter 71 of the sequel
For contexts sake, this is the chapter where Natsu was surrounded by “women sleeping in his heart”.
He burned them all at the same time, Lisanna was the first to disappear because she was under him. I thought Natau pushed Lucy because the breast was on his face 😂 But luckily for him he enjoyed the real one few chapters later. Which I don't like his sexual comments. But I liked what come from the fight! And I actually find it quite disgusting that anyone will ship Wendy! Even during the OG, the writer tried to point out that wendy loves Natsu!
Let’s go at this bit by bit.
He burned them all at the same time,
True, but he didn’t punch all of them at the same time. (That’s still hilarious almost two years later.)
Lisanna was the first to disappear because she was under him.
Here’s a quote about my feelings on Lisanna and Erza being included in this moment.
Honestly, it’s just nice to be acknowledged as a Nali and Natza fan. I know it’s fake, but I’m still here for it.
This was from the same post this reply is on. So there’s that.
I thought Natau pushed Lucy because the breast was on his face 😂
Ignoring the misspelling, my point still stands. That was hilarious.
But luckily for him he enjoyed the real one few chapters later. Which I don't like his sexual comments.
“Enjoyed” is an interesting way of putting what happened in chapter 74. I’m not even bothering with this.
But I liked what come from the fight!
I wish I could agree. Aquarius coming back is hype, but we got robbed of an actual fight between Natsu and Lucy. Wonder what that would look like?
And I actually find it quite disgusting that anyone will ship Wendy! Even during the OG, the writer tried to point out that wendy loves Natsu!
Hey, we agree on something! According to chapter 423 of the original, Wendy doesn’t see Natsu as anything more than a big brother figure. Thank goodness for us all.
As far as these kinds of responses go, this isn’t the worst thing ever. Like, I don’t think this in any meaningful sense necessary. But I’m not too bothered by what I’m seeing here.
And now the longer reply...
replies from Natsu Ship Tier List
😳😳 you are ready to ship two people with zero moments and interest over at least admitting that Lucy and Natsu can be good friends? Lisanna was forcing her ideas on Natsu, because he was the most logical and reasonable option between the naked Gray and the cute violent Natsu, Lisanna is romantic girl, she wanted romance, she did not care much about the man, she was ready to give up Natsu for Lucy because he is not the one, Lisanna can find her one, and that one is not Natsu
Natsu was fated to meet a heartfilia his first crush was a heartifila! Natsu did not need romance, he is a demon, someone with a mission, do you think Lisanna who hated demons, whom sister suffered because of it can link with the strongest demon in the history? Natsu will never be number one in Lisanna's life, if Lisanna was in a position to chose saving Elfman's life while killing Natsu in the worst way, she will do it.
Lisanna was ready and never even cared about abandoning Natsu and Happy over hurting Mira and Elfman. Lisanna got a family! While Lucy was ready to die to rewrite the demon, Lucy's mom died to bring those kids to present and she still love those kids and forgive them, Zeref even talked about heartfilias being caring people, and Lucy was ready to fight for Natsu's pride because was called a demon even after knowing he was a demon.
I don't care honestly about you hating Nalu, because it is obvious you will not like the counterpart of your OTP 😂 I don't care, I know who is canon and who is not, I just want more girls having friendship moments over love moments between the bois and gurls.
Well... let’s go...
😳😳 you are ready to ship two people with zero moments and interest over at least admitting that Lucy and Natsu can be good friends?
First off, I’d likely ship a toaster with Natsu, provided it’s name isn’t Lucy Heartfilia. I cite as proof the post you’re replying to.
Again.
Speaking of which, this reply should be about some of the crazy other ships in this post. I’d understand if you said this about shipping Natsu with Hisui, Cana or Juvia. You know good and well there’s not nothing to people shipping Lisanna.
Second, I’ve never denied the friendship between Natsu and Lucy. It’s one of my favorite dynamics in the series. Ironically, it’s one of the biggest reasons I don’t ship them. I can’t see them having a romantic relationship because of their friendship.
Lisanna was forcing her ideas on Natsu, because he was the most logical and reasonable option between the naked Gray and the cute violent Natsu,
*citation needed*
Lisanna is romantic girl, she wanted romance,
I wouldn’t put it that way but we’ll get to that soon enough.
she did not care much about the man,
*citation needed*
she was ready to give up Natsu for Lucy because he is not the one, Lisanna can find her one, and that one is not Natsu
As a whole, Nalu fans need to stop interpreting Lisanna saying “take care of Natsu” as “I have no interest in Natsu, you have my blessing to marry him”.
Natsu was fated to meet a heartfilia
I guess? I could technically say that he already met a Heartfilia in Anna. Or that this is justification to ship him with Anna or Layla, as much as with Lucy. (If only there was some way we could tell how I felt about shipping Natsu with OTHER Heartfilias?) But that feels like splitting hairs.
Instead, I’d say that “fate“ as a reason to ship characters is ironic for a reason you’ll bring up later on.
his first crush was a heartifila!
*citation needed*
Natsu did not need romance
You do realize you’re saying this on a post ranking the different Natsu ships, right? I mean, I’m part of the fandom that headcanons him as ace. But you have to recognize the irony of this statement.
he is a demon
From the horse’s mouth, he is not a dragon. Or a demon.
do you think Lisanna who hated demons, whom sister suffered because of it can link with the strongest demon in the history?
*citation needed for Lisanna hating demons*
Remember what I said about fate? Honestly, this makes the idea of shipping them a whole lot cooler. It shows growth in Lisanna’s perception of demons. I actually might have to write something with this in mind. Thanks for the interesting idea.
Natsu will never be number one in Lisanna's life
I wouldn’t go this far, but I do agree that the most important people to Lisanna are her siblings.
It’s almost as if I can admit people can be important to others without shipping them.
Or that I’m not threatened by the idea that Natsu isn’t the most important person in the life of the person I ship him with.
if Lisanna was in a position to chose saving Elfman's life while killing Natsu in the worst way, she will do it.
I don’t know about all that... I mean, we’ve kind of seen this in her siblings after she came back, but I’m not...
No.
Lisanna was ready and never even cared about abandoning Natsu and Happy over hurting Mira and Elfman.
Apparently, failing to fight back tears while realizing Natsu and Happy are here is the same as not caring about abandoning them. Good to know.
Lisanna got a family!
Yeah, Natsu and Happy.
In all seriousness, what does this matter? Can’t she have her family AND want to be with Natsu? That was the whole point behind Natsu and the Dragon Egg.
While Lucy was ready to die to rewrite the demon,
She was willing to rewrite the demon. I don’t know that she was exctied to save Natsu at the cost of her own life.
Also, something something Graylu saves the day.
Lucy's mom died to bring those kids to present and she still love those kids and forgive them,
Lucy’s mom died because Grammi didn’t give her the key for Aquarius in time. We’re not turning this into anything more than that.
Zeref even talked about heartfilias being caring people,
I’ll give you that.
and Lucy was ready to fight for Natsu's pride because was called a demon even after knowing he was a demon.
*citation requested because I don’t doubt you, but this feels vague enough that my memory feels like things are blending together*
I don't care honestly about you hating Nalu, because it is obvious you will not like the counterpart of your OTP
While Nali is my favorite ship for both characters, my favorite ship in the series has long been Albis. My story “Shot in the Dark“ is one of my favorite stories to have written.
Even if that wasn’t the case and Nali was my Fairy Tail OTP...
REMEMBER THE POST YOU’RE REPLYING TO! It should say something to you that I like a number of other ships involving Natsu EXCEPT Nalu. Again, I’m shocked that you’re not focusing on that.
😂 I don't care
“I don’t care so much I made 4 different replies to a post where you, a single person in the Fairy Tail fandom, rank multiple different ships involving Natsu above Nalu based on your own personal feelings.“
I know who is canon and who is not
As of the time I’m writing this, Nalu is not canon. It MIGHT be canon, but I’m not convinced it will be. This is despite rumblings about Mashima’s recent words on things I’m not currently willing to look into. He’s got to do something in the sequel to convince me he’s changed his mind.
I just want more girls having friendship moments over love moments between the bois and gurls.
Fair enough.
So, let’s review.
Your first mistake was being a Nalu fan.
Your second mistake was getting upset about a post about my personal opinions.
Your third mistake was picking a fight with someone who’s been arguing against Nalu in great detail for more than seven years with no real evidence.
Your fourth mistake was being a Nalu fan.
Your fifth mistake was coming to a post that only barely is about either Nalu or Nali and making near uniquely about both.
Your sixth mistake was assuming Nalu is currently canon, despite Mashima not intending to make it canon originally.
Your seventh mistake was being a Nalu fan.
Your eighth mistake was showing little to no reading comprehension while criticizing the ships I like in a work of fiction.
Your ninth mistake was pressing enter on the replies, thinking I wouldn’t respond.
Your tenth mistake was being a Nalu fan.
Four years ago, I questioned why the Nalu fandom leaves me alone. I figured it was at least, in part, because I leave them alone.
It looks like I jinxed it.
Since then, I’ve gotten quite a number of Nalu fans challenging me with subpar points and lackluster insults. This despite the fact that Mashima is moments away from making Nalu actually canon with every chapter. And that the thing I’ve been pouring the most energy into regarding Fairy Tail since then is tweaking the entirety of canon. This has forced me to rethink a number of my past views on the series.
And I STILL don’t like Nalu OR see it as canon in any meaningful sense.
Recently, I’ve been thinking that Nalu happening might not be as bad as I’ve made it out to be over the years. But if fans are going to act like this over people not liking it, I continue to hope Mashima destroys any doubt of its impossibility before putting the series to pasture.
By the way, I absolutely welcome people coming to my posts to disagree with me. It gives me a reason to continue writing about this series, outside of rewriting the whole thing.
But a word of advice, to anyone stupid enough to try this. If you’re going to be annoying and reply to my posts, at least be as memorably annoying as Chris was.
As it stands, these aren’t the best set of messages I’ve ever gotten.
These aren’t the best negative responses regarding me shipping Nali over Nalu.
These aren’t even the best negative responses to my views on the Natsu ships directed soley towards me. (Frankly, this isn’t even close to the second best. Or third.)
If you’re the person who wrote this and are somehow reading this, I hope you have a terrible day, Nalu doesn’t happen, and Mashima turns the last chapter into a 50-page Nali hentai doujinshi. Leave me alone and never try this on anything I post ever again.
And if this ends up starting something else, I’m going to be even more pissed off than I am in this post.
In Conclusion
LEAVE! ME! ALONE!
BONUS ROUND!
reply to a picture I reblogged
Wow, I love Lucy in long pants! Can we keep the skirts for Erza, dresses for Wendy and give Lucy some long pants?
Between Capricorn Star Dress and her Grand Magic Games outfits, I disagree strongly with this.
“Why are you getting mad about this? This is their opinion!”
@jeneeangella because if you look up character x reader, every single one is going to be female reader. I write for those who are uncomfortable with it, who aren't women, who are trans and read what is supposed to be something gender neutral and ends up being for cis women instead. I write for myself, a non-binary person who is not cis female and is really uncomfortable when people use she/her pronouns for me, or describe long hair, or feminine features, or even call me beautiful some days.
I write for trans women, trans men, cis men, and Non-Binary people who don't have stories written about them. I write these stories to show people that they are valid, that you don't have to force yourself to be uncomfortable to read about being in a relationship with your favourite characters.
I show them that, even though they're not women, they can still be happy, they can still be shown in a happy relationship with someone they like.
since everybody is doing this again, cast your moots as your favorite characters >>>>
Sry this took forever to respond to!
Ginny - Keefe/Hazel combo. She’s an AMAZING artist as well as writer, doesn’t give herself enough credit, and she’s honestly the best. The Hazel part is there because she is nice, but she can also fight you to defend herself and I love that.
Tammie - I’d have to say...Glimmer from She Ra. Similar Energy. This is the girl who told me I couldn’t handle spicy food which resulted in me eating spicy food. Please, this is perfect.
Nova - Aang from Avatar: TLA, because she’s very nice and friendly, just like him. She wants others to be happy which is amazing and I applaud her for that.
Kait - She’s awkward, shy, kind and amazing. So who? Gotta say Frank Zhang. She’s really friendly, enthusiastic and I have a feeling she gives great hugs.
Erin - THE TALENT AND CREATIVITY SHE HAS. ASTOUNDING. I cast Erin as Susan Pevensie from Chronicles of Narnia.
