#ingrid talks

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No, srsly tho, how to tumbl?

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interesting to think about how gabriel speaks about his son: “He’s perfect, isn’t he?” gabriel agreste makes a career of creating things he views as beautiful & perfect and encasing them in glass. gabriel agreste has made a career of making clothes that are not meant to be worn and dirtied, skirts that are not meant to be spun in, bodies that are not meant to be lived in. gabriel agreste sees aesthetic as inherent and tarnish-able; he sees adrien agreste as a piece of art which belongs in a museum, protected from the elements which might harm it. adrien, on the other hand, knows that beauty is something you choose, in your actions, again & again & again. beauty is when the dress spins out and she laughs and it gets swallowed by the wind and the rain. beauty is when he is flying across paris with the wind in his hair and the spirit of life, and living, and being alive, trailing along behind him. beauty is when the perfect clothes are made a home of, when you build love into places it doesn’t have to be, when people slip wanting each other and living and breathing into what could be lifeless, into what could be ‘perfect’, but lonely, as well.  perfect? he doesn’t want perfect. all adrien has ever wanted was to feel loved. 

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I have no self control but im only here to write ic things that is my plan. Just because. I could not resist he is so like the doctor i swear it

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people make adrien out as a ‘weak’ character, someone who isn’t able to fight it when he is pushed around, someone who will let himself be trampled over, and that’s not only somewhat insulting it is also often flat-out wrong. There is an underlying acceptance and benefit-of-the-doubt that Adrien will offer to people because that is how he has learnt to practice being a decent person, and he is of the opinion - which is a well tested, psych-community agreed, well-known, accepted opinion - that hurting other people isn’t going to bring them closer. on the other hand, Adrien is Paris’ superhero, Chat Noir. what he believes is that so long as they’re trying, they are getting better, and all you can ever ask of anyone is that they try. He will not chase them away because they are not done growing yet. He doesn’t believe anybody’s ever really done growing, it would be pretty lonely to gatekeep who is and isn’t trying ‘hard enough’ to be a good person. He doesn’t work like that. He’s a superhero - they have to believe in restorative justice, otherwise they’d be pretty sucky. 

The strength of Adrien’s character is that he is kind when he abides to his strong moral codes, but they are codes and standards that he abides by and he expects others to do so, as well. he will give the benefit of the doubt to his father for his neglect, assume that he is grieving and working through the loss of Emilie while also trying to ‘keep things ship-shape’ in order to anchor Adrien; he will give Lila the benefit of the doubt and see in her the same sort of attention-seeking that he has got to have been familiar with because he grew up as he did, make no mistake that Adrien is the sort of child who would chase attention with lies in that way until he realised it was hurting more people than it helped; he will accept at some base level that Marinette just hasn’t quite forgiven him for the gum-on-seat incident, and appreciate that she is actively trying (which he can see her doing - it is very Ladybug - it is very attractive, to be able to watch somebody try, like that). 

but when any of these people try to control Adrien using their flaws, which Adrien has been kind about up until this point, he is ready to take a stand to tell them that they are wrong. When he finds out Gabriel is Hawkmoth, and Hawkmoth tries to manipulate Adrien using his mother’s corpse, Adrien is thrown off, sure, but he is not pushed around; he is angry. When Lila tries to keep Adrien for herself and hurt his friends in the process, his good friend Marinette, Adrien is not pushed around; he is angry. If Marinette ever tried to tell Adrien how to live his life or to force him to apologise, Adrien would not be pushed around - he would be angry. there is a quiet, seething part of Adrien Agreste that catches him out by surprise, sometimes, never mind the people who try to hurt him, but if he knows that what he is doing is right, and especially if he has seen the flaws in other people and has been trying quietly to help them, to support them - if he has seen these flaws and done his best to help those people try (as he sees Marinette ‘try’, every day, always), and then they turn around and use it to hurt him? Or his friends? If they use the same flaws they know that they have, already, to do more damage?  Adrien is easily placated, maybe, but only when he can see that the person is trying. It is why he is friends with Chloe, and why he wavers in that friendship when she does something so bad he thinks maybe she isn’t trying anymore. adrien will forgive and forgive and forgive but only if he sees that there is something good in there that is trying to come out, only when he knows that choosing to be good is hard and they need a friend (or a son) to help them choose it. that is the OPPOSITE of weak. choosing to be there, and baring your soul, for people who are not done growing yet is, first, extraordinarily brave, and second, not his job, and third, the mark of someone who knows exactly what he believes and who chooses, relentlessly, to stick by it. Being a good person is a choice you make, continuously, even when it is hard. Being open to these people is Adrien’s own form of trying, and he is getting quite good at it, because when is Adrien ever not good at being a good person? Anyway, people say he is ‘pushed around’ and ‘weak’ and even ‘complacent’, and all of that is simply not true. He would not get to be Chat Noir in the way that he is if that were true. He has certain expectations and he holds to them, and like anyone who holds to their moral coding when times get tough, he is incredibly strong, incredible thoughtful, incredibly brave. 

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also chat noir telling her he needs to work out on the regular to keep up with work’s expectations or w/e and she’s like chat you shouldn’t be selling your body if you don’t want to be... And he’s like….. Ladybug I am a model what did you THINK i was doing loooooooooool. Only on sale to you, bugaboo <3 <3 the sale? my clothes are 100% off <3 <3

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dear people who think that if adrien had a twin sister her name would be adrienne: why do you think their parents hate them that much 

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AGH ok so I think it works better on mobile than on my computer for some reason. Ex. of Adrien salt 1) Chat and sexual harassment towards LB 2) Adrien is too irresponsible and doesn’t deserve the cat miraculous 3) Adrien doesn’t have a spine when it comes to Lila/confrontation. That’s like a quick summary of all the salt.

1) Debatably incorrect. I think the fandom is incorrect in the assumption that the instant somebody says they don’t like you, you have to stop having feelings for them. That’s not how it works. Chat Noir has feelings for Ladybug, and she is not entitled to making him stop having those feelings - nor has she asked him to stop having those feelings. All she’s done is tell him that they’re not going anywhere because she’s interested in someone else, and to please stop calling her Bugaboo. He never goes beyond when Ladybug says No (a good point of comparison here is Felix, who ignores her completely). The worst he does is in Frozer, where he is upset that she does not return his feelings - that episode showed the hints of entitlement-to-her-emotions which did raise red flags for me, but he got over that pretty quickly when she did not budge and he realised it did not matter. There’s also the fact that Ladybug returns a lot of what he does. She flirts back at him. That is a subjective view, obviously, but I think she flirts back at him and that is a part of their partnership, what makes them such a strong team. She does get annoyed when it’s not the right time for it, but then he stops because she identifies it’s a problem and so he quits - you can’t flaw him for not noticing it is a bad time, he is a total idiot. Idk. I think the fandom is right to be fiercely defensive of women’s rights and I agree that yes Ladybug has had a serious conversation with Chat about her emotions regarding him. But you are wrong to say she has had a serious talk with him about her emotions regarding his flirting, and until she does that - and she will not, because I see her flirting back, exchanging puns and pulling his tail and resting her head on his shoulder and so on - I don’t know if I buy that Ladybug is against that sort of thing. Emotions are complicated, “there is someone else” =/= “I don’t want you being open about being interested in me”. Remember that by saying Chat is harassing her we are denying Marinette the agency of being able to tell him where to stick it, and she is 100% totally able to do that. We have SEEN she is totally able to do that. So why doesn’t she? 

2) Factually incorrect. They’re both 14yo. They both make idiotic mistakes sometimes because they’re 14yo. When you’re 14 years old, irresponsible mistakes are kind of, like, second nature, you guys are so vehement and I think it is because you are so young. 14yos get to make mistakes. Literally everybody in the world has been young once, it is a shared universal experience, a reasonable person has been young once so if you are testing what a ‘reasonable person’ would do then it is fine to adjust it to what a ‘reasonable 14yo’ would do, and that just changes your perspective a LOT.  

3) Factually incorrect. Adrien is very quiet about how he loves the people he loves, but he loves them intensely. It is not spineless to want to offer somebody the benefit of the doubt - actually that takes a lot of heart, and a lot of courage. He takes so many blind leaps in the direction of the better-people he believes people to be, that’s brave. But he will stand up, like he did, against people who hurt his friends. He’s not incapable of drawing lines in the sand, he just tries not to burn his bridges when he is conscious that he might be one of the only people who has a legitimate bridge that isn’t built on lies. I actually really love how he treats Lila. He is not wrong at all that she must be very lonely, if she has to make up lies to provide reasons why anybody ever might love her. 

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