#iz discourse

[quantumdeathclaw]

Anti DNI

[invadeez-nuts]

AU Idea

where everyone in the IZ tags gets along and anti-zadrs stop bullying people over fictional characters and then everyone goes about their day and we're all ok

[zimisnotanalien]

i’m pretty sure the reason people don’t like zadr is because the creator said zim is an adult and dib is a kid...i don’t think it’s unreasonable that people would see shipping an adult and a kid as gross

reply is under the cut, usually i dont wanna reply to stuff like this with my own personal message but the ask is structured politely enough so ima entertain it!

that’s absolutely not unreasonable! but here’s the thing: i and every person im aware of very specifically only ship dib as an adult; with him aged up to 18+. but every single anti completely and utterly disregards that, everytime. they never actually pay attention to the fact that we’re not shipping a kid with an adult. it’s two adults.

if there was someone who specifically shipped kid dib with adult zim then? i would understand the disgust. but in this context with myself and the most of the zadr community, that isn’t the case. its two adults that antis refuse to acknowledge that theyre adults because they see dib and zim and suddenly nothing else matters.

sorry for the ramble! anon if youd like to continue this discussion, just please be polite, and also understand that i aint very good with discourse discussions jkHJDH

[paninimaker]

Why don’t you ship ZADR? Like, it’s perfectly fine

i think i’ve answered this before but i’ll redo this ig

So, I don’t ship it for a couple reasons

the general stigma around it

i find general romantic relationships uncomfortable. Kissing and romantic holding makes me feel uncomfortable (i probably need to talk about that in therapy but eh)

i just don’t like it. i find it weird, as zim and dib are actual enemies in the show. i feel like they might be able to be friends (but that’d be weird too, as they’d have to go through some shit to be friends)

Zim isn’t shown to know earth culture at all, it’s even shown in the comics (vol 3 to be specific) as Zim literally asks if Dib is a female because he even says, and i’m reading straight off the page here, ‘wait, are you female? i can never tell with humans’, showing that Zim is so unintelligent in earth culture that he dosnt even know what gender dib is, so it messes me up that they’d be kissing as Zim probably dosnt even know what it means, and he probably dosnt even feel the emotions behind kissing, so its weird, especially the nsfw area as, again, he dosnt even understand what gender dib is, much less what that stuff means. Idk, i find it a little, eh, you know (i don’t wanna write the word down)

it is canon that Zim dose not feel romance. In one of the unaired episodes Zim literally says to minimoose ‘if i could feel love i might just’, and yes i know that canon surrounding invader zim is always shaky but still. This reason is actually why i don’t ship anyone in invader zim, because irkens simply don’t feel attraction, romantic or sexual

these are actually the reasons i don’t ship anyone in invader zim, especially the last one

and btw the age difference dose bother me but most people age dib up so i won’t really meantion that

i also find the general ‘i headcanon this character as [insert gender/sexuality]' weird too, but i wont get into that can of worms

[quantumdeathclaw]

Can't believe that you think grooming minors is a good thing you people make me sick

I don’t think grooming minors is a good thing??I just think that you antis water down the meaning so much that it harms actual situations that occur? Like thanks for ruining things for survivors and victims.

But hey, thanks for coming into my inbox just to tell me this outta nowhere? I haven’t even discoursed in a while and here you are. 

Also love how you’re like “za//drs dont interact” yet you come into my inbox to sprout out bullshit? Cool.

[zimisnotanalien]

discourse.. stinky..

sorry for the sudden influx of posts- but i really, really dont like how discourse-heavy this blog has gotten... i really wanted this to stay positive and discourse-free!! so ive decided im going to make a side blog specifically just for all discourse related things to stay.

here!!

https://stinkydiscourse.tumblr.com/

nothing of the like will no longer be featured here so dont worry!! and also @ that second anon i got, check the above blog rather than this one for a reply

[amazing-8-bit-gengar]

Not gonna lie being a old ass invader Zim fan and seeing how to shit it’s went since enter the florpus came out as much as I love the movie I hate the shit that’s sorta flown out with it. Like people who haven’t even seen the show just the movie and it’s like...bro no. (Hope that didn’t sound gatekeeper bleh don’t like that)

Honestly seeing younger fans that were born after the show even aired it’s just kinda like wow. Idk I’m just kinda feeling like it’s changed so much I can’t enjoy the fandom anymore because all these 12-15 year old come in and change shit. I can’t describe it? It’s kinda like a vibe tbh.

Any older fans agree?

(Btw not saying you can’t enjoy it if your young etc it’s just my perspective of being in the fandom since 2006-7and watching the show when it aired. Don’t let anybody tell you can’t enjoy things!)

[consent-demon]

Spin it every which fucking way you want. You shippers aren't picking up your own trash so why would anyone even humour you when you tell antis to do the same.