Frank Zappa's response to John Lofton. Crossfire - 1986

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Frank Zappa's response to John Lofton. Crossfire - 1986
John Lofton: (about Van Halen's 'Hot For Teacher') Why is it amusing? Frank Zappa: Why shouldn't it be amusing? J.L.: You're not smiling. You don't look too happy... F.Z.: Why should I smile when I'm sitting here with you? (Frank Zappa and John Lofton discussing censorship of rock music on Crossfire.)
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G: I think you can make the argument that there were a number of cases involving “right to life” which could have gone into that chapter. I don’t disagree with that.
L: Sure. You think abortion should be a crime?
G: (Pause) I think that abortion should not be legal, and I think that how you would implement that I’m not sure.
L: OK, I’m not sure what that means —- it should not be legal. Would you make it a law that would consider it a crime to perform an abortion, or for a woman to have one? Should there be any legal protection for the unborn as far as you’re concerned?
G: There should be. And I think the focus has been on doctors performing abortions. And in that sense that we want to move the society as rapidly as we can that people should select adoption rather than abortion and that choosing abortion is not acceptable.
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L: Let’s move on to another important topic, another important battle, the attack by homosexuals on God-ordained, God-defined one only man/woman marriage. I didn’t see anything in your book about that.
G: Well, I favor a Constitutional amendment to protect the traditional family and I think we should have such an amendment.
L: I assume you are against homosexuals being allowed to, quote, “marry,” unquote?
G: I don’t think that’s marriage.
L: How about civil unions? Where do you stand on that issue?
G: I stand on some kind of legal rights. I’m not sure where I stand on civil unions. It’s like marriage without marriage. I’ll give you a specific example of what I believe. People ought to have the ability to have people visit them in the hospital, which is the most obvious and awkward situation. There ought to be a way to arrange that. There ought to be some way to leave your estate to someone. There ought to be some way to arrange that.
L: Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
G: I think you have to. But, I also believe that all of us are sinners.
L: Well, but some folk’s do work a little harder at their sin than others, don’t they?
G: Yeah, but I’m just saying that I don’t want to be judgmental about others. I think that the —-
L: But we are talking about homosexuality. Scripture is very clear —- it’s an abomination to God.
G: That’s right. And that’s why I just agreed with you. I think that if you believe in the Bible, then it’s fairly clear. But, I’m not prepared to render judgment to individuals.
L: Do you think homosexuals ought to be able to adopt children?
G: No.
L: Do you think they should be allowed to teach in government run schools?
G: Yes.
L: Why?
G: Well, I think if you were going to try to populate schools with non-sinners you are going to have remarkably few teachers.
L: Oh, come on now. You know I’m not talking about sinners [in an original sin sense]. I’m talking about people who are —-
G: I’m perfectly happy to disagree. I respect very much your right to have a strong opinion.
L: I appreciate that.
G: And you can interpret the Bible —- there’s no question what the Bible says about this issue.
L: Right.
G: And therefore I think you come down to a core question of faith.
L: Yes.
G: But, there’s also no requirement that that then leads directly to public policy you just described.
L: Well, my thinking was something like that if people are homosexuals, that tells us something about their character and we care about the character —-
G: I don’t agree with that.
L: Oh, I see. Why do you think God calls it an abomination if it says nothing about their character?
G: I think there are many good and kind and decent people who may also be homosexuals.
L: Really?
G: Yes.
L. My goodness.
G: And you live in a very narrow world if you’ve never met one.
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GINSBERG: He says: "Do I contradict myself? Very well. I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes," Do you know what he meant by that?
LOFTON: Probably nothing good. And I doubt if he knew what he meant.
GINSBERG: Yeah, he did. I know what he meant.
LOFTON: How do you know what he meant?
GINSBERG: [laughs] Because I am large. I contain multitudes.
LOFTON: But you might contradict yourself.
GINSBERG: Yes. And I certainly will contradict myself.
LOFTON: This will be one of your multitudes the ability to contradict yourself.
GINSBERG: That's what Whitman is saying.
LOFTON: It's gibberish.