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I love winning.

Q. It's damage control. Nothing more. They're attractive men who they know people will find physically appealing. They're being sent out to hype up the show, alleviate the anger of Bobby being killed off and show the audience that they're platonic partners on a silly firefighter show. These interviews will include the two of them telling everyone that they're not the onscreen ship the audience will be seeing and they will be telling people it will be okay to move onto and love the BuckTommy relationship the show is clearly building towards. Ryan/Eddie will literally be giving his blessing for people to enjoy it. Thatbwill lead into the Oliver and Lou press tour. I'm stunned none of you seem to be able to recognize what's happening here.

A. I was absolutely going to ignore this insane level of denial, but you keep sending it so I'm going to address it. The PR tactic you seem to think you're explaining here doesn't exist. This is not how PR works. There is no network publicist, PR department, or executive anywhere in existence who would try to sell a different onscreen pairing this way. Because it's insanely ridiculous and laughably ineffective. You don't trot out two actors with insane natural chemistry to do interviews like Buzzfeed thirst tweets that will undoubtedly put that chemistry on maximum display only to then have those same actors say 'but we're not the pairing you're going to get. Nope, you're getting the opposite of this. Enjoy!'. That's simply not how any of this works. And I know at least some part of you knows that. Stop it. You don't purposely choose to showcase the chemistry of one ship only to turn around and say yeah this isn't the ship you're getting. You're getting the birthmark guy(rip my poor Oliver he's going to have to explain to millions of new people that it's just a birthmark) with a person he can't stand to be in the same room with unless someone has yelled action. A person he has such non-existent chemistry with, and such obvious dislike towards that we can't even let them do promo together. Aren't you excited?!

That's not a thing that exists on any level in the world of PR. You don't highlight the gold standard and then tell your audience they're getting the gangue (look it up) version instead. Most of the cast will be doing end of season interviews. We already found out that Oliver and Aisha did a SiriusXM interview of some kind as well yesterday. But the stuff they're sending Oliver and Ryan to do is markedly different in tone to anything else they have ever done before. That's the point and that's intentional. The Spill the Tea segment for Entertainment Tonight is specifically designed for duos, yes many are platonic pairings, but many are not. And since the segment won't air until after the finale, when the audience will have discovered that Bobby is alive, Angela and Peter would have made the most sense to get that particular interview. We didn't need to know about its existence prior to the finale. They could have filmed it and none of us needed to be the wiser until it aired. But ABC specifically wanted Oliver and Ryan for it. And they specifically wanted the audience to be aware it was happening. There's a reason for that. But the Buzzfeed interview is a major deal. I cannot stress that enough. It's insane that Oliver Stark and Ryan Guzman are getting a Buzzfeed interview. Not only are they getting it, they're getting the thirst tweets interview. They're going to be reading thirst tweets about Buck and Eddie out loud to one another. That is ABC fully embracing the shipping of the two characters. That is the opposite of what a network would want to do if the goal was to ultimately put those characters with other people. Buzzfeed used the Buddie hashtag to promote the interview. It's about Buddie. They didn't say Ryliver. They said Buddie. Oliver and Ryan have always been so careful about how they engage with Buddie fandom content specifically to avoid the baiting accusations, and they were correct to do that, but ABC has told them to embrace it. ABC has taken the training wheels off and are going to let their chemistry do its natural thing. You don't do that if the end goal is not to put the two characters together. At minimum the season is ending with a really significant Buddie hint. That is the only explanation for a thirst tweet interview. It would be asinine to do it under any other circumstances. I'm sorry you let Lou and a person who named themselves after cheese trick you into believing something else was going on here, but it's not. The level of Buddie exposure ABC is doing is a game changer and it's happening for a reason.

Thank you Nonny! Much appreciated!!!

Yeah, this ask was just insane. Why on Earth would two actors who play a heavily shipped pairing on a TV-show do promos for another less popular ship????

Wouldn't they just have the actors of the less popular ship do promo to expose them to the public? Make sure that people understand where this is going????

What kind of mind gymnastics do you have to do to reach a conclusion like this? I don't understand this.

Anyway...

Buddie is happening. Deal with it. 🤷‍♀️🤗

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Theme be peak <3

AHHHHH TYYYYYY. I adoreeee Minajael with everything I haveeee he's so prettyyyyy!!!!

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💬beyond birthday

Let’s get it out of the way that I don’t excuse the things he did. He’s killed innocents and that’s a fact; what I tried to convey in the novel was sympathy for how he ended up. We share a background so I can analyze his actions on a more personal level, and we did somewhat go down similar paths after the orphanage.

That’s part of the reason why I referred to him as my ‘predecessor’ in the memoir. I relate to him, in a messed up way, because he’s been pushed to the edge by the same people who broke him for the sake of having a Backup plan. Of course I’d have compassion for him considering our all-too-similar circumstances, which was also one of my main motivations for writing the novel.

I wanted our current, infamous killer to know that L had faced way more formidable threats but simultaneously, I wanted to share Beyond Birthday’s story with the world because it deserved to be heard. I wanted to subtly highlight how that godforsaken orphanage isn’t the altruistic institution that they present themselves as — how it fundamentally destroys children by giving them impossible standards to reach.

To be honest though? A fraction of me sees B as a way to ‘confirm’ that I did, indeed, meet the person behind the computerized voice because he told that story to me. Not that I care about it as much as I did back then, but it still gives me that tiny feeling of childish pride over the intended successor. It’s why I still keep the original copy.

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Happy birthday to Kid, Kris @krismasdreemurr and L! And happy halloween from us if you celebrate 🎃👻🍭🍬🍫

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This person did not help the counter argument 🤣

Q. I do think it's super insulting for the media and many fans to basically say well we can all pretty much see where this train is heading and if you have a problem with it then you're sexist and homophobic. No. They're written as best friends, strong bonded, life long best friends, but only friends nonetheless. Oliver and Ryan skewing the acting towards the narrative they think the show should take is not the same thing as writing them with romantic undertones. I need people to be so serious right now because you all look ridiculous. They could both have other relationships if the actors stopped sabotaging their other relationships. Lou tried, he tried hard, but he got zero help from Oliver. Fox clearly wanted Taylor to be Buck's endgame, but once again they got zero help from Oliver. Ryan didn't even bother trying with anyone not named Devin so what did they expect to happen?! They could have chemistry with other people if they would allow themselves to put even half the effort into their other onscreen relationships as they do with the Buck and Eddie thing.

A. Listen, and this is me being so serious right now, your argument is non-existent. People are saying it's sexist or homophobic or biphobic or bigoted because it is. There is not a single valid argument that exists within the narrative of the Buck and Eddie storyline that supports the weakness of 'they've only ever been written as friends'. That's a non-existent, non supported by the facts argument. Chimney and Hen have only ever been written as friends. Chimney and Eddie. Chimney and Buck. Only ever written as friends. And no one ever confuses those relationships as anything else. The problem with your argument, anon is that it's disingenuous. You're not mad that they're written and acted with romantic undertones. You're mad that Oliver and Ryan just allowed their natural chemistry to be what it is without forcing 'bro code behavior' on it to make it more heteronormative. That's what really bothers you all. Just own that. If you truly believe you're valid in that belief then own it. Say it out loud. Their relationship makes you uncomfortable because you don't understand how two men, who have not publicly identified themselves as not straight, could be so comfortable being open, vulnerable, playful, and flirty with another man because you yourself would not be comfortable doing those same things with a member of the same sex. That's why people call your argument bullshit because it is.

We don't know how long Buddie was in the works before FOX ultimately stepped in and stopped it. We have no idea how long they were building towards that initial get together. So a lot of the acting choices from seasons 3 and 4 could, and in fact probably are, most likely tied to that initial relationship build up. Everyone loved that Jennifer came in and immediately declared that Maddie should be with Chimney. Jennifer and Kenny get a voice. Everyone loved it. Everyone loves that Angela and Peter get a say with what happens between Bobby and Athena. Aisha and Tracie get the same treatment with Hen and Karen. Everyone loves how they all get a voice. Why should Ryan and Oliver not get an equal voice in their onscreen endgame? Why do you believe they should have to play by a different set of rules than the rest of their cast mates? None of you all can answer that question. That's why your argument gets dismissed. It's not coming from a valid place to begin with. Lou did not try to sell the ship because he had a deep love for the ship, don't even try to make that statement. He tried to sell it because he liked the attention it brought him. Period. Any chance he got he made sure to emphasize his straightness, and he was clearly uncomfortable filming anything remotely intimate in nature. So that argument is also disingenuous.

Chemistry is tricky. It either exists or it doesn't. It's hard to fake. Yes, both Oliver and Ryan have far better chemistry with each other than they ever had with any other onscreen love interests. But they did have chemistry with a few. Oliver and Meagan had great chemistry when Taylor first showed up, it absolutely fizzled out before the end but they initially had lovely chemistry. Oliver and the actress who played Ali had nice chemistry. He even had cute chemistry with Connie in season one. He had no chemistry with Lou, no matter how hard you all try to declare otherwise. They were clearly uncomfortable with one another. Ryan had great chemistry with Devin (Shannon). He played the Ana stuff perfectly because she was supposed to lead to his initial gay awakening. He had no chemistry with Edy, their first few scenes, much like Oliver and Lou, were nice but once they paired them together it didn't work. That's okay. It doesn't mean Oliver and Ryan sabotaged anything. Do I think there's a genuine conversation to be had about how long Oliver and Ryan have been playing it a certain way, sure. But there's nothing wrong with playing up the chemistry. Their chemistry naturally exists. They don't have to put effort into it. It's the same when they do interviews. It's just what exists between the two of them and that's the real problem you all have with it. Instead of bro'ing down and over correcting, they allow it to be what it naturally is. And that makes you uncomfortable. Well that's a you problem. I would argue that Peter and Kenny have a similar kind of chemistry for that matter.

Thank you Nonny!

Well, what an utterly nonsensical question was that? Garbage filled with terrible ideas and opinions from beginning to end.

You cannot just 'force' to have chemistry with someone. Natural chemisty is one of the greatest things two actors can have. It's either there or it isn't. All the great 'will they won't they' ships had great chemistry. Some of them weren't even supposed to end up together, but the chemistry was so good they decided to change the writing for the characters and put them together.

I honestly don't think Buck and Eddie were ever planned to end up together, but because Ryan and Oliver had such great on screen chemistry the writers recognised 'lightning in a bottle' and went with it until FOX told them to stop.

Anyway, I agree with Ali.

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I didn't even realize some of this.

Q. You liked Sick Day though, you said so yourself. So I'm a little confused to see you criticize it because that doesn't fit with liking an episode. I kind of feel like you're not going to be okay with certain people getting the spotlight over others and so you should just say that. Buck gets plenty of focus. He's not being ignored.

A. I did like the episode. I have been open about that. But I have also been open about the cartoonish level villain being a bit OTT for me and the glaring absence of Eddie. You can critique something you like. Finding fault doesn't erase enjoyment. I get why they did both things. It's not a 'who done it' storyline. They didn't want to waste time having people try to figure out who the villain is so they made it so obvious it was a little cartoonish in execution. I have also said that I think we were supposed to notice Eddie's absence, I believe that was the point. That doesn't erase the fact that he should have been there.

I haven't really framed any of these replies around Buck but since you brought him up, I will explain. Buck hasn't had a storyline since the lightning strike in the back half of season 6. He has had no real storyline focus since then. He has been on and has been involved in other storylines but he hasn't had a storyline of focus since the lightning strike. His bi awakening doesn't count because that was told in one half of one episode. That's not a storyline. Then they stuck him in a relationship with an actor Oliver clearly doesn't get along with, an issue that seems to be a cast wide thing at this point with that particular actor. So they kept Buck in the relationship in name only and showed very little context of said relationship because the point of that particular relationship had nothing to do with that actual relationship. The point of that relationship was to kick off the Buddie storyline which Tim, inexplicably, decided to tell alongside this god awful Vertigo storyline for Eddie. A storyline that has now been dragged out a full year and a half. That's a problem for both Buck and Eddie as characters. The Eddie storyline has been going on for almost 18 months at this point and we still have no clear resolution. Because it was a poorly constructed storyline from the very beginning. It was a bad original story idea that has been dragged on to the point of nauseating for all involved. And I give Tim credit for trying to fix it but taking 18 months to fix it is inexcusable, especially since it's still requiring Eddie to be separate from the rest of the main cast.

In those 18 months how much screen time has been devoted to multiple Bobby storylines? He resigned from the 118. Took a consultation role on HotShots, a storyline Tim dragged out over 5 freaking episodes btw, got involved with the cartel and lost his home. Came face to face with his estranged mother. Went on a cruise that sank, and helped his wife land a plane. That's 6 different storylines told while Eddie is still going through the Vertigo bullshit. Seven now if you count what's coming as a result of Sick Day and Lab Rats. How about Athena? She had the same cruise ship mishap. The same cartel burned my house down storyline. Revisited her past with an inmate transfer that led to her being in the plane Bobby had to help her land. She had the crazy rookie racist cop partner storyline. The shipping cart vigilante, only one episode but it was more than half the freaking episode. The 911 serial killer Maddie kidnapping storyline. That's six separate storylines for Athena, again all while Eddie's one plot is still unresolved. It's lazy. I understand that the Eddie/Christopher storyline could not and should not have been resolved over the course of one episode but there's been plenty of storytime to devote to it; Tim just used way too much of that time on the same two characters, or on nonsensical Brad bullshit, and that's a legitimate problem at this point.

Dragging the storyline out for so long has made Buck stagnant as well. I understand why they're telling the Buddie storyline the way they are. The problem is we get an episode or two of momentum and then we completely lose that momentum to spend time on episodes like this biohazard stuff, which is in no way more important than your character driven episodes. Yes episodes like this have value and merit, but they should be timed appropriately within the season. This event was not. And we also now have proof that the audience didn't like Eddie not being involved. So it wasn't a decision that was beneficial to the show over all. Pointing that out is not an unfair criticism. It's an ensemble show. Spending a year and half on multiple storylines for two main characters at the cost of real and necessary movement in one single storyline for 3 other main characters (Eddie, Buck and Christopher) is flat out bad storytelling.

Thank you Nonny! 😁

I never quite looked at it from this point of view, but Ali has a point here.

Maybe it's time for Bobby and Athena to spend some time decorating their new house, so the focus can go to Eddie, Buck, Madney + baby and Henren for a change.

Just a thought. 🤷‍♀️

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It's very clear at this point, people

Q. I guess my question is why the need to bring him back? I mean they broke up, he serves no story purpose.

A. He absolutely serves a story purpose. Look I talk a lot of trash about the guy because the actor who plays him repulses me on every level, but the character serves a genuine story purpose. The problem was Tim didn't stick with the original story plan and it allowed the story to get a bit muddled to the point that it created an opportunity for certain people to try and hijack the intended narrative. Tim mentioned a jealousy aspect in an interview prior to the season. For whatever reason between then and now he decided to go a different way. I have no idea why he decided against that story point because it was always going to be the easiest, most straightforward way to get the audience from point A to point B. It also would have made it much easier to get Buck and Eddie to their individual realizations at similar times within the story. It was a mistake to decide not to go with that particular route, and I would love to know why he changed his mind. I know most of us got to a point where we didn't want Tommy anywhere near any kind of Buddie realization, but the reality is that Tommy was always intended to play some part in Buck's realization one way or another.

The dialogue between Buck and Tommy in episode 8x11 was really, really telling. Tommy is the ultimate Buddie plot device. But because Tim kept dragging the story out all while not giving Tommy or the relationship any actual screen time, focus or development, because their relationship was never the point of anything, people kind of filled in the blanks with their own version of events. Lou did not help the situation because he encouraged people to believe a version of the story he knew wasn't true, but the show wasn't really doing anything to countermand the noise, early on Tim actively encouraged some of the chatter, something he later learned was a mistake. Yes the storyline was pretty straightforward if you were bothering to pay actual attention, but this is the problem with continually kicking the Buddie can down the road for later. Things started and stopped several times. And each time the progress stalled Lou was ready, and more than willing to fill the silence with his version of events. 8x11 was Tim basically resetting the narrative to the way it was originally intended to play out.

Tommy's one job was to make Buck aware of the Eddie of it all, and Tim finally had him do that in this last episode. Having Tommy be the one to verbalize for the audience that the BuckandEddie thing is something that does need to be reexamined and looked at with a new perspective, while at the same time admitting that he viewed Eddie as competition set everything up for the audience. Then having Buck react the way he did and say what he said, 'I don't want to have to sleep with everyone I have feelings for and I don't have feelings for everyone I sleep with' told the audience the entire game. Buck has clearly thought about Eddie like that at some point, and made himself shutdown and lock that train of thought away, and he didn't appreciate Tommy reminding him of that. The show used the second part of Buck's dialogue to explicitly state that Buck has no actual feelings for Tommy. It was physical for Buck. And this is the first time Buck has admitted that out loud. It was something Buck had to admit to himself, and Tommy, but it was also something they wanted the audience to be aware of. As far as Buck is concerned there is no competition. He will pick Eddie every single time, even if he believes it can only be in a platonic way. Tommy was used as the character to tell the audience that it might not have to be platonic. The relationship part of Buck and Tommy officially ended with that episode but I do think we will see Tommy at least one more time. The focus will now switch to Eddie, and there are several things they need to do with Eddie prior to any kind of feelings realization on his part. My guess is they will sort out the Eddie and Chris situation, and the Diaz parents thing and then address the Buck of it all out loud. Ryan and Oliver both saying that we will see phone calls and FaceTime calls between the two makes me really happy. The idea that the show might do another Buck and Abby parallel and kind of show both Buck and Eddie allowing themselves to fall for one another while talking on the phone is a really lovely idea. And I really hope that's what they're doing because not only would that be a really special thing to allow the audience to witness, it allows the realizations to occur within the same episode. I got sidetracked here, lol, but personal feelings for Lou aside Tommy always served a story point the show just pushed his purpose to this past episode. But they made his purpose clear, try as some people might to pretend they didn't.

Thank you Nonny!

Well said Ali! The show is finally ready to address the Buddie elephant in the room and so far I've loved every single second of this storyline.

As for Tommy? Uh-uh, the Buddie plot device is there to do its job and he did it well in 8x11. I'm sure he'll be off plot devicing some more in 8x14/15. I cannot wait to watch it and say goodbye forever to T. 🙂‍↕️

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can you explain the tomato joke with lfj i'm so confused lol

Oh, that was when Bobby's funeral was filmed. L was there as well and apparently he was really disrespectful towards a crewmember from the catering, something to do with a tomato. Someone was filming and Ryan appeared to be very pissed at L, while Oliver just ignored the man altogether.

I don't know what went on there, but it didn't look good for L.