so upsetting we never got to see holly’s lucrezia after rodrigo’s death and cesare’s capture because of how well she portrayed grief and loneliness (especially in regards to her identity as a borgia)
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so upsetting we never got to see holly’s lucrezia after rodrigo’s death and cesare’s capture because of how well she portrayed grief and loneliness (especially in regards to her identity as a borgia)
Cesare Borgia (1474/1475 - 1507): A detailed study of his horoscope made by Lorenz Beheim:
Cesare Borgia is one of the most famous figures of the Italian Renaissance, in his short life he was converted into a legendary, and infamous character, but when going beyond the myths, the pile of defamation, and the baseless assumptions attached to this name, and researching deeper about his life, it is incredible to realize how little certain information there is about him. As author José C. Deus puts it, Cesare is a historical figure where “almost everything has been invented, and almost nothing is known.”, and as it often happens with his historiography, even something as basic as a date of birth is obscure, with different possibilities. Some scholars put his year of birth between 1474 and 1476, the month is put as September, and the day as either the 13th or the 14th. His mother is definitely said to have been Vanotia de Cathaneis, or Vannozza dei Cattanei, as she is more commonly known. His father is said to have been Cardinal Rodrigo Borgia, later known as pope Alexander VI, although about his paternity there is a divergence of opinions among scholars. The place of birth is put by some (including Cesare himself according to one anecdote from 1503) as Spain, others put it as of being Subiaco, a town a little outside of Rome, where Cesare’s father was the holder of an important abbey along other numerous positions, and in the words of José C. Deus, perhaps applying a historical imagination to it, says that Cesare “was baptized with all intention with the name of Cesare/César, because his father expects of him no less feats than that of that Roman emperor.” If that is true, one might say Cesare did not disappointed his father in his great expectations of him. When he was only 18-years-old, he was appointed to the Sacred College of Cardinals. In 1498 he became the first Cardinal to leave his Cardinalate. The following year he married Charlotte d’Albret, making an alliance with France, and earning the title of Duke of Valentinois, as well as receiving at the hands of the King of France, Louis XII, the knightly Order of St. Michael, which was then the highest honour that France could confer. Back in Italy, from 1499 to 1503, he succeeded in the difficult task, one where other, more experienced men before him had failed, of conquering most of central Italy, which earned him a long list of titles, the most important one being Dux Romandiolae, Duke of the Romagna. For the first time in the region, an effective, just, and good government was installed, which truly made him beloved by the populace, but at the same time, this success combined with his magnetic, powerful personality (he was a “splendid soldier, an unrivalled administrator, a man pre-eminently just”) aroused the hatred and bitterness of other noble Italian families, and the envy of city-States like Venice and Florence, which lays at the core of his bad reputation, and it greatly impacted in how he was and continues being remembered in history. Lorenz Beheim was a German humanist, who also had knowledge in military engineering, chemistry, astrology and many other things. His relationship with the Borgia family probably begun around 1480, through his acquaintance of Rodrigo Borgia, who employed him as the maggiorduomo of his house. Later on, Beheim entered the service of Cesare himself, and at his request, he made an horoscope for him (astrology chart) based on his time of birth, which sadly Beheim does not reveal in his letters, but he determined the following about Cesare:
"At the time of his birth, the Sun was in its ascending phase, the Moon in the seventh, Mars in the tenth, Jupiter in the fourth..."
The positions of these starts made him predict "a dazzling existence, a life of conquests and glory, the irresistible rise to a sovereign power,” but also " the fall, the exile, and a violent death" as an epilogue. I thought it would be fun interesting to use Beheim’s information and make a study of it focusing in the planets and the positions he gives, and see if, where, and how much it matches with Cesare, and maybe also having new insights and speculating about his character, given all the uncertainty and mystery that surrounds him. I did some research, but I was unable to find what exactly Beheim meant by saying “the Sun was in its ascending phase...”, for the purposes of this set, I simply decided to replace it with Cesare’s Sun Sign, instead. The number of the positions he gives for the Moon, Mars and Jupiter, I interpreted as the positions of the houses as we know today, since he says he used the laws of astrology, “of diving the sky in twelve houses.” All the astrological characteristics used below are from a mix of astrology websites such as this, or this one. I base my interpretations of Cesare’s personality on his private correspondance (with personal and political/diplomatic letters he wrote and received), on his limited but documented actions, the records and official documents regarding his government in the Romagna, which historian Edoardo Alvisi thankfully brought to light in his brilliant biography about Cesare, with G. Sacerdote adding a little more about that (and other general information, too, including Lorenz Beheim) in his more accurately described encyclopedia about Cesare and his family, and from a few dispatches written by N. Machiavelli, Gianandrea Boccaccio, and Pandolfo Collenuccio, as well as the writings of other contemporaries I previously listed here.
Most likely date of birth: 13th September, 1475 (Subiaco, Rome)
Sun Sign: Virgo ♍ Sun: The giver of life, represents our conscious mind in Astrology. It represents our will to live and our creative life force. Just as the planets revolve around the Sun in our solar system, we derive our life purpose from the Sun in our natal chart. The Sun is our basic identity, representing self-realization. In the chart, the position of the Sun by zodiac sign represents the native’s life purpose and the style in which they leave their mark in the world. Virgo is ruled by the planet of Mercury, it has Earth as its element, and the quality is Mutable. As the name implies, those with this quality are more flexible and comfortable with change than other signs, they are adaptive of their environment. They are also open-minded people, eager to understand other’s opinions. The ruling planet of Mercury is known as “the messeger”, it represents communication, thinking patterns, rationality and reasoning, and the intellect. It is connected to how we learn new concepts, exchange information and flex our mental agility. Signs under his planet (Gemini and Virgo) are usually the ones who have novel ideas, and little-known factoids, they are conversation starters. The Sign Symbol is the Maiden, Virgo has traditionally been linked with the Maiden, or the Virgin figure, symbolizing the sign’s pure intentions and strong independence. Their key phrase is “I analyze.”
The natives of Virgo are usually described as being: analytical, intelligent, reserved, conscientious, loyal, kind, helpful, intensely curious and responsible. At its most stereotypical, they are known as “workaholics“ and people who are "obsessed with cleanliness and order", and on the negative traits, they are usually said to be overcritical of themselves and others, self-effacing, and overthinkers.
It was amusing to see how well this Sign’s traits matches with Cesare. In many ways, he was a typical Virgo. His high intellect was noted by contemporaries since his childhood, and his mind definitely seems to have been the analytical, meticulous, practical kind of mind, which usually is mistaken or misunderstood for coldness or ruthlessness, but in my view, it is just a straightforward way of looking at things and making decisions, Cesare, like most people, seems to have always tried to make the best decisions with what he got, he worked with the tools available to him and within the social and political landscape of his times, trying to stay alive in the process. He could be a visionary at times, but he wasn’t an idealist. He wasn’t one to be caught up in abstract philosophical and theological ideas, rather he was a man of action, a man of practical measures, who lived in the present and was more concerned with the material problems around him which could be solved, as quickly and peacefully as possible. There’s a constant groundedness and quick-thinking about him, a need to fix problems, that really do connect to some degree to what it’s said of Virgo, and of placement he has in Mars. It is noted how Cesare attended public events and festivities of the Roman society at a distance and/or reluctantly, always preferring to stay with his group of people, within his private court, partly we can say this was perhaps due to the prejudices about himself and his family in these circles, and the danger his position brought him, but partly this must have been due to his personality and personal inclinations, and under an astrology reading of it, definitely consistent with him being a Virgo, Virgos are said to feel a reticence when faced with anything new, people or things, but only until they feel comfortable, then ”they can talk up a storm,” from what it’s known about Cesare, at least in regards to people, he comes across as being like that. He seems to have been more reserved, keeping people at arm’s length until he felt some trust or appreciation for them, then he would reveal more of his personality, and was more open and cordial with them. This can be observed in one of the dispatches Machiavelli sends to the Signory of Florence, where he writes that although he was doing his best to “win his Excellency’s confidence, and to be able to talk familiarly with him,” up until present time he was unsuccessful, and hadn’t been able to learn anything new from him. I don’t believe Machiavelli ever truly won Cesare’s trust, but he did win his appreciation somewhat, which made their political meetings easier, with Cesare being more sincere than he usually was with envoys. In regards to being conscientious, loyal, kind, helpful, I think these traits were very present in his character. He seems to have been conscientious in the two senses of the word, in the sense of he was always serious about his work, and he put a lot of effort into it, and in the sense he seems to have firmly followed a personal set of moral and religious beliefs in his life. There are patterns in his decisions, political and personal, which illustrates that. From his desire to conquer the cities of the Romagna without bloodshed, where it is recorded that before taking Imola, "Cesare entered the church, prostrated himself before the enshrined figure, where he made a vow that he would finish the unfinished church and erect a chapel in honor of the Immaculate Conception, if he was able to take the city of Imola without bloodshed", to his strong sense of justice, or how he openly refused his father when this one asked him to go against a man who was also a member of the mentioned knightly order of St. Michael, because one of its oaths was to never fight against a fellow member. It would be long to list everything showing how loyal Cesare and remained until his death, to his family and people close to him, so that checks out, and it is possible he liked being helpful, for example, in one of his letters to his brother, Juan, after he comments upon a political treaty that had been reached, he adds with a tone of joy and pride, that this treaty was one he had "constantly intervened from beginning to end." And I think contrary to the image of a cruel, insensitive Cesare Borgia, which appears to have been mostly formed after his death, by reading the words of his contemporaries, usually hostile to him, and looking at his own actions, he seems to have had an kind disposition. There are many records stating his gentleness in dealing with others, the records stating his “cruelty”, mainly coming from Machiavelli’s conception of him, it’s better understood as “order” and/or punishment for men who either betrayed his trust, or plotted against him, and were circulating libels about him and his family, but even in these situations, the influence of Virgo can be seen, because his behavior was mild and restrained when put in comparison to other powerful lords, ladies, and kings, and within the general law and social codes of his time. The intense curiousity of Virgos, “their love for knowledge and their drive to know things, added with their attention to details and enormous observation powers give them the ability to learn all of the ins and outs of any subject” is demonstrably evident within what can be known about Cesare’s personality, and as I said before, I think it was one of the qualities which brought him and Da Vinci together and why they clicked so well with each other. Another possible aspect of the Virgo’s influence with Cesare can be seen in his strong sense of responsibility with everything, “Virgos, even when they’ve convinced themselves to be irresponsible about something or the other, they worry about it”, this sums up Cesare pretty nicely, I think. From the negative aspects, I don’t think there is enough to say Cesare was a "workalcholic", he was very focused and serious about his work, but his hard-work was constantly interwined with his moments of hard-partying lol, he loved having fun and he loved enjoying life, as Creighton rightly says here: "The Borgia nature pulsed with the joy of living, Cesare delighted in enjoying himself and was ready to contribute to the enjoyment of others." So he doesn’t match so well with the Virgo stereotype, same applies to the obsession with order and cleanniess, although there is a lot indicating his love for order, which I think the placement of his Mars influenced in that too, there is nothing to say he went overboard with it, and there is so little about his private life that is hard to know if he had an obsession with cleaniless, it’s possible, but the material only indicates he had a moderate concern about his health and physique, he loved physical exercises, and it looks as it was extremely important to him to have the best physicians with him, Torella in particular, was quite the innovative physician and I believe it was a quality that made Cesare employ him and keep him by his side. I couldn’t think of any records, or anecdotes suggesting he was self-critical and critical of others, I think this is one of the many open points about him, maybe he could have been to a certain degree, it wouldn’t surprise me to find that out. With being self-effacing, it could be said his moments of drawing attention to himself all had a political meaning, when he thought it was important, and that generally he didn't liked being at the center of attention, preferring to go by unnoticed and observe others, this trait can even be somewhat linked to his love of masks, come to think about it. He liked maintaining an anonymity about him and his private life, that’s for sure, especially as he ascended in his career, and wherever he was in Rome. Now the overthinking, and the perfectionism linked to Virgos, do seem to match with him sometimes, maybe not to an obsessed level, but on a higher level than others. It might partly explain the comments about his atypical downcast, melancholic moments, personally I tend to look at these moments as him being a normal human being, having his bad says like everyone does, or trying to avoid certain people and conversations, for all kinds of reasons, I don’t see anything unusual about that as his biographers tend to see, but in any case, it is interesting to notice these moments tended to happen wherever he was in Rome. There is a stark contrast in his behavior between Rome and the Romagna. In Rome, as he became more known, he was more guarded, recluse, moody, difficult to approach, and in the Romagna, he was the opposite, maybe this was due to his father’s presence, or because of all the people who wished to speak with him, who expected something from him, or the feeling of constantly being observed by others, the feeling of danger might also have felt higher in Rome than in places like his beloved Cesena, or Forlì and Imola, but besides all that, the fact he was a Virgo could have had its influence, too. With him typically overthinking, and worrying too much about everything, which ended up affecting his mood, and sometimes even his health, perhaps also being the cause of his moments of feeling ill from time to time, of having stomach and pain eyes, which are usually linked as a body response to a high level of stress and/or anxiety. Ohh, and there is also the Virgo’s sense of humour, which it’s said to be: “...sarcastic, witty, and because they possess an eye for detail and are sharp and observant people, they have an elite and intelligent sense of humour, that only a few can understand, it is not the most obvious sense of humour which automatically attracts attention, but they're the type of people to deliver the most clever, right remarks at just the right moment.” That does fall in line with Cesare’s sense of humour, or at least we can make of it by his letters, some of his recorded words to contemporaries, and in his clever, funny remark, (possibly not only about himself but also his family and their reputation according to their enemies), when he dressed as a unicorn in one of the festivities for his sister’s wedding. Planet in the houses: If the signs of the zodiac show “how” planets express themselves, the houses of the natal chart reveal “where” these energies play out.Each of the twelve houses of a chart rules certain areas of life, types of people and relationships, environments, ideas, and life circumstances. The planets represent different properties (such as action, affection, and communication) and the houses can tell us where in our lives we'll feel them most intensely (in our work, in our relationships, or in our personality, for instance). Moon the in 7th House: Moon: It’s the ruler of Cancer and it represents our deepest personal needs, our basic habits and reactions, and our unconscious. It is all about how a person feels, its position in a sign and a House determining the way a person expresses him or herself when it comes to emotions. Where the Sun acts, the Moon reacts. It answers questions such as: How do we instinctively react or respond to problems? And what do we feel we need for a sense of security? In the chart, by house the position of the Moon shows which areas of life we feel the most “at home” or comfortable. For me, this is the most interesting aspect of Cesare's horoscope/birth chart, because of what the Moon represents, and because of its placement in the 7th House, which has said here, it's a very fascinating placement to have. And curiously enough, most of what it's said about this house and placement, and from everything I've read about Cesare and his relationships, it ends up matching rather neatly, too. The 7th House is correlated to the Sign of Libra, representing our primal balance and our ability to connect with others in the closest possible way, its planetary ruler is Venus. Its Latin motto is Uxor, this translates to “spouse” with its specific role as a mirror to our own Self found in other people, it is a house known as the house of marriage, but it rules all relationships, partnerships, and things we recognize in other people as a reflection of us. Each one-to one relationship is ruled by this house, including lovers, business partners, family relationships, and even enemies. Personality Traits: This placement of the Moon suggests a person with good diplomatic skills and a charming personality, they are a gentle, emotional person with a lot of charm. These qualities become more emphasized in one-on-one relationships or when dealing with the public. They intuitively know how to get what they want. They are versatile and many will like them for the way they act. Since the Moon is in opposition with their 1st house self, they are very balanced when it comes to their temper, being able to see both sides of a situation. This placement also indicates they are great at doing business, especially in the field of art. They are very interested in their own image and how the public sees them. When the Moon is in good aspects, natives of this house are capable of great emotions and very receptive to what others need. If the aspects are negative, they are changeable and moody, going with the flow when it comes to emotions and their existence in public. Moon in the 7 House people are usually in need of human interaction, and to be emotionally supported. It’s impossible for them to enjoy life on their own. They like doing things in groups, and to have others around who can make their life more fun. Their friends will be considered family, because they depend a lot on those who are closest to them. They are an extraordinarily supportive person to the people they care about. They tend to draw emotional or needy people into their lives, or they draw out strong emotional responses from others. They are talented at making others feel comfortable, quickly sensing their needs. They make a good counselor. Relationships/Partnerships: The Moon is the deepest part of our personality, and when it is placed in the house of marrige, it means these natives want a partner to be like they are deep down, they are not looking just for a partner, but a soulmate. Emotional bonds are important to them, more than others, they tend to seek emotional fulfillment through relationships, they like belonging to someone who makes them feel secure, who spoils and nurtures them. The women in their lives are particularly important to them, and their relationship with them powerfully influences theit sense of security and happiness. They feel they can’t achieve emotional balance without a significant other, they are often in love with the idea of love. This might make them change partners too often because they always rush to say they have found “the one” and get disappointed along the way, and/or they might also jump from relationship to relationship because they suffer when they are alone. They can be overly dependent on their relationship, not necessarily on their partner as a certain person, but rather on the idea of being in a relationship.You intuitively know how a person feels and if they like you. This is true for both romantic and interpersonal relationships in general. A Moon in the seventh house has an emotional need for peace and harmony when it comes to close relationships, and partnerships. This need often overwrites their need to be self-assertive. Marriage: When married, they can feel the same things as their spouse because they’re sensitive and think this is the way to make their other half’s life easier. The celestial body also represents the Mother, so those who are more influenced by it will choose a spouse whom they can take good care of. The condition of the seventh house tells about their spouse, too. The Moon here suggests a sensitive, caring but sometimes moody partner. It’s hard for them to choose the perfect partner because there are many opportunities in their life. The men with the Moon in the 7 house want a good wife who can be an amazing mother. They will practically transfer the emotions they have for the woman who raised them to their spouse, this placement also suggests they will live in a happy marriage. For the personalit traits, there’s a good match here, Cesare had good diplomatic skills, he is praised by a contemporary for “even his sweetness and his gentleness…”, and him being an emotional person is suggested every now and again within his material. In my view, Cesare was not different from his father on this point either, he had his sentimentality and was a man of strong emotions, only I think he was inclined to keep that to himself, failing at it at some occasions, whereas his father had no problem displaying this side of him and his own strong emotions in public. And yes, we could say these qualities seemed to have been more emphasized in one-on-one relationships, Cesare knew how to cultivate personal relationships, a good example would be his relationship with Cardinal Piccolomini, but also his diplomatic relations with Ercole d’Este, Isabella d’Este and her husband the Marquess of Mantua, Francesco II Gonzaga, and he always dealt well with the public, even in Rome. As a Borgia, and if we take into consideration the influence of this placement in his horoscope, Cesare indeed seemed to know intuitively how to get what he wanted, same would apply to the versatility trait, the Borgia family adapted quickly to new situations and people. I always see a balance present in Cesare’s personality, as I do with in his father and his sister, and in his temper, this balance is even more pronounced. In order to break it one would have to try pretty hard, which some did, but his ability to see both sides is, for me, one of the things that made him such a good negotiator, especially when trying to reach peace agreements between rival noble families and their factions in the cities of the Romagna. When speaking of how good he was at business, precisely in the field of art, I can’t help but think of his activities as patron of the arts, which he certainly was, and of his purchase of The Sleeping Cupid by the-still-mostly-unknown-young Michelangelo. Like the rest of his family, and of nobles in general, it can be said Cesare always took great care about his image, how he presented himself in public, because it was a form of visual communication about personality and power. Unfortunately, we can’t know about his Moon aspects, but for both cases, the good and the bad, I think it could connect with him, we have a reaffirmation of these natives being capable of strong emotions, which can be seen in Cesare, and of them being receptive to others need, although we can’t really know to what extent that might have been, it still look like it was present in his personality. We can also tie, along with the other reasons I said before, his “moodiness” to his Moon being in bad aspect. And the way Cesare always kept his group of friends, his personal court with him, and how he loved hunting, dancing, sports, all activities that depend on at least another person, can easily connect to this need of human interaction, of wanting to enjoy life with others, and wanting those around who could make his life more fun, I can see that. From letters he wrote to people close to him, it also seems he regarded his friends like family. The degree of how supportive he was with those he cared about can only be speculated, but I think there are enough accounts suggesting he was to those close to him. It was intriguing to read these natives tend to draw emotional or needy people into their lives, haha, I kept wondering who might have fit into this description that was close to him, Rodrigo could be a good candidate for it, or Lucrezia (whose Sun Sign seems to have been Aries…), Vitellozzo Vitelli to me comes across as an incredibly emotional individual, and I’m always amazed at how well Cesare handled him and his outburst of emotions. And yeah, there is extensive evidence to say Cesare did draw out strong emotional responses from others, positive and negative. I think being talented at making others feel comfortable and sensing their needs is overall consistent to my interpretation of Cesare and one of the reasons why he was so successful when dealing with people, even his enemies. He certainly was a good counselor, otherwise I don’t think Rodrigo as pope Alexander VI, would have made sure of always having him by his side, and appreciating his presence. I can see the possibility of Cesare getting his emotional balance from a relationship, and him being in love with the idea of love, a poem written about him, his sword, and his favorite song do hint to that. The part about changing partners often is a bit ambiguous for him, though. It doesn’t look like he did that very much, actually. As far as evidence goes, his mistresses, the ones that could be considered long-term, seemed to have been only three, maybe four: A Sicilian woman who lived with him in Rome for a while, a woman known by the name of Drusilla, and another woman who shared captivity with him in Naples in 1504. Dorotea Malatesta could be included here, but it is hard to know if she was indeed his mistress or Diego Ramires’s mistress, and Cesare was only covering for their affair. In any case, it does look to me he fell in love fast and hard, perhaps thinking the woman was “the one”, and then maybe realizing she wasn’t. It’s noticeable he didn’t liked being alone, whether this was due to fear of being alone, or an overdependence of the relationship he had, and what that gave him, or on his idea on being in a relationship, and/or other reasons, this is purely speculative, however he did consistently had a female companion by his side, even when he was arrested at Naples, and with this particular unknown mistress nothing else really explains her presence there with him, if not for the strong feelings they seemed to have had for each other. Intuitively knowing how others felt and if they liked him, for both his romantic and interpersonal relationships connects well with Cesare, I think he could figure these things out very quickly. I see some indications of Cesare striving for peace and harmony with his close relationships and partnerships in general, like it will be said below in his placement in Mars, Cesare wasn’t the type to like chaos, so it makes sense this would apply to his emotional side/life, too. I just don’t know if it would be to the extent of this need overwriting his need of being self-assertive, perhaps with those he cared about, it could have been the case, or perhaps he also had a balance there, who knows. The marriage aspect was fascinating to read, because in Cesare’s actions towards Charlotte, he displays such sensitivity and goes beyong his way to please her and to make her life easier once he was no longer by her side in France. His actions also demonstrates he seems to have had concern in making sure Charlotte and his daughter would not be destituted in case of his death, or if he fell from power, even from Italy, he tried to take good care of them, even after he indeed fell from power, he never forgot her, and tried to send all of his wealth her way, for her to secured it. If he lived, he could use it, no doubt, but if he died, she would be even more secured than she already was. We can speculate if Charlotte was moody dsjdjs, it would be nice to know more about that, but there is evidence suggesting she was a caring, sensitive lady. And it fits well that Cesare had many opportunities, and maybe with his possible Virgo perfectionism, and/or the other emotional aspects of this Moon placement, he found it difficult to choose the “perfect partner”. If we take his placement in Jupiter, and combine with this one, it is likely the wanting of a good wife who could be an amazing mother to their children was a desire Cesare had within him, and maybe it an additional reason why he was so smitten with Charlotte. It is interesting how it says these natives will practically transfer the emotions they have for the woman who raised them to their spouse, because for most people, this would mean the mother, and if we think of Vannozza in this role, and how Cesare seemed to have had a good, affectionate relationship with her, so good emotions, then his treatment of Charlotte, under this astrology point of view, makes even more sense, but if we think that technically the woman who raised him was Adriana de Milà, and almost nothing is known about their relationship, then things get confusing, but it could serve to reassess some ideas in regards to Cesare’s, and his siblings, relationship with Adriana. Lastly, I think there is enough to say Cesare and Charlotte married happily with one another, and their time together in France carried an importance for both of them until the end of their lives, so even if afterwards, for political reasons, their marriage took a sad, frustrated path, and they never saw each other again, it still more or less matches the description of a happy marriage.
María Valverde in Los Borgias
So I watched Los Borgias now and I have to say that, despite it's flaws, I really liked it! It's far better than The Borgias imo when it comes to...historicity and feeling period. So it was refreshing to watch something that really feld Renaissance while still watching The Borgias season 2 which still doesn't give me any history feeling 😅.
do you guys have a streaming link for los borgias with english subs?
Lucrezia Borgia (3)
Isolda Dychauk (Borgia)
María Valverde (Los Borgias)
Holliday Grainger (The Borgias)
Help I'm stuck in everything Borgias!
currently watched the 1981 BBC version on youtube, while downloading Los Borgias and watching fanvids for Borgia on Canal+. I think I need help....