Hey 👋🏽 i was wondering if you had any thoughts n analysis on the chopping wood scene from age of ultron like about Steve and Tony’s dialogue and behaviours ?
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First of all, this is a very weird place for Steve in particular. Tony is entering a constant spiral of self-doubt (AIN’T HE ALWAYS) but around AoU, remember that he’s a) feeling extremely guilty about the murder-robot, b) feeling extremely guilty about the Maximoff twins, c) he and Pepper seem to be on a break again, so Tony is having a rough time all around, but that’s not dragging his character to an unknown extreme. He acts pretty much like we would expect - with guilt, but with intense desire to right his wrongs, and this lull their having at the Barton’s farm is exactly the moment where Tony self-reflects on those insecurities and chooses to move on anyway.
Steve though. This is a very curious moment to pay attention to Steve. Let’s see: He’s conducting a secret search for Bucky and how much of that he’s told the others is completely up to debate, but we know for sure he hasn’t told Tony about his parents, so sometimes my teammates don’t tell me things is a... Bold accusation, should I say. And that should tell you more or less what is going on with him after the “SHIELD is HYDRA” and him getting his first taste of going 100% off the grid and acting on his own and getting affirmation that this is what he should always do.
CW is the point where this mindset of his fully forms, but it’s been building up since TWS. During AoU, it’s beginning to show, if you really know how to look.
So they’re chopping wood - and there’s no reason for both of them to do it, and no reason for Steve to chop so much of it, Steve is just working out his frustration and Tony is using the task as an excuse to get a chance to talk to Steve alone, knowing Steve is holding back some words; and he’s right, because he needs to poke Steve with a well-aimed jab (seems like you got away with [Wanda’s attack] alright) to actually get Steve to talk. It’s fascinating, really, how much they know how to push each other’s buttons despite the MCU doing such a bad work at making them friends. But they know exactly what makes the other tick, and they’re not afraid to use it.
The thing about the “dark side” conversation is what gets me, though. Steve is not unaware that he has a dark side, but he says it with a very strong conviction that Tony hasn’t seen it yet. So despite him throwing his teammates’ secrecy on Tony’s face, and despite him hiding the information about Tony’s parents from him, these are still things Steve considers not dark enough for Tony have seen a glimpse of what he can truly be. It’s very intriguing to think of what Steve really considers to be the line he should cross for him to go fully dark side, and how exactly he processes these less than favorable actions not into bad things, but into necessary or warranted things.
If you’ve read SoB, you know my theory on that: Steve’s mind is full of rigid ideas about his identity as a soldier, and as a person whose moral code has reached a level of unyieldingness so strong it’s actually bad for him. This fits into that. For him, his teammates decisions of keeping secrets are bad, because he can’t lead a mission where his soldiers have missions of their own, but at the same time, when he keeps a secret, it’s because he has decided it’s better, or kinder, or safer. And he sees no double standard in that, because as the leader, he sees himself in the appropriate place to make those sorts of decisions. So what is the line for him? Violence. Everything else he can rationalize, but violence he cannot. That’s why Siberia is such an important moment. It’s his dark side finally coming loose. He’s not there yet in AoU, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t begun to build up towards that.
They’re not as far apart in AoU as they are in CW, but the gap between them is slowly becoming wider, because they’re both pulling away emotionally from each other and from the team, though Steve is doing it at a much faster speed. That’s why they are frustrated and angry and curt - they feel the gap getting broader and it makes them uneasy, but neither knows enough about what’s going on with the other to stop it. This conversation is probably when they really begin to feel it - because Tony is bothered by Steve’s iron grip in his emotions and righteousness, and he won’t consider Tony’s anxieties about other alien attacks, and Steve is bothered by Tony’s unwillingness to settle into a dynamic Steve has deemed the best one, and though he’s ashamed for Ultron, Steve knows Tony won’t stop trying to reach further, even when Steve deems it’s unnecessary.