#mallowmese

[kedreeva]

hello, is there any way we could get some weanling mice pictures or maybe even the chonky potato mouse? i love mice and miss having any (tho i never had mice kiddos anyway)

thank you!

The golden potato himself

Approximately 13 days old, and just over it already

[kedreeva]

Sweetest little gal. After looking at the chocolate siamese and the mallowmese again, side by side now, I really don't think the mallowmese are chocolate siamese. I think they're lavender Siamese. I love their golden noses!

[kedreeva]

love ur mouse posts!!!! could we get an update on the mallowmese? :o

Hi there! As stated in the top post of their tag (/mallowmese) they've moved to another breeder!

[kedreeva]

I was (finally) put into contact with someone who knew enough about Siamese to ID the mallowmese as chocolate siamese, just a little pale. This means I won’t be keeping the line; I’m arranging to have someone that wants chocolates to take them probably tomorrow! This will give me space to work on breeding a self black line to outcross the seal points to, to help darken their points and breed out whatever remaining weird genetics are present, since I’m still getting a few off colors here and there.

[kedreeva]

So, here’s a fun story about mouse genetics.

I am currently breeding seal point siamese mice. Genetically, SPS mice are mice with a double dose of the Himalayan gene c^h. Seal point x Seal Point mice should produce all SPS babies. When SPS mice are born, their first coat of fur is a warm, pale brown/tan color, and as they get older, depending largely on the temperature they’re kept in, the “points” of their body (nose, ears, feet, tail) that are coldest will fur in seal brown and the warmest part of their bodies will fur in a creamy white that gets a little darker on the rump.

Except, a few litters ago, one of my pairings threw a bunch of white babies.

Now, a Himalayan mouse genetically has one c^h and one albino gene, so I thought maybe the person I bought them from had mistakenly sold me a Himalayan (I’m still learning, so I wouldn’t have recognized it at the time) instead of an SPS mouse, and that I was getting albinos. In order to test this theory, I set aside a breeding pair of the white mice, to see if they stayed white.

They did not.

Well, MOST of them stayed white, but their points all turned a pale, toasted-marshmallow tan color, like the big mouse above.

I have... NO idea what that means. I called the breeder back, since I know he knows a lot about show mouse genetics, and he ALSO has no idea what the hell that is. I’ve sent him a bunch of photos, he doesn’t recognize this coloration or know what it would be, genetically, if it popped out of two seal points. Even if it popped out of Himalayans.

Alright, I said. Okay. Fine. This is fine. I’ll breed them to each other and see what they produce. If they are himalayan based, then they should produce babies in 3 different colors; a double gene, a single gene, and a no gene color combo. The first litter (the one above) was born 4/10, and they all look the same as each other--- but they look nothing like their parents did at that age. Their parents were white from the get-go. These guys look like toasted marshmallows all over.

So now I have a second unexplained litter. I’m still waiting to hear back from the breeder to see if THIS answers any questions for him, but I am beginning to suspect not. I’ve also sent an inquiry to a mouse breeding association to ask if they know what might be going on. Guess we’ll see what they have to say about it!

[kedreeva]

One of the Mallowmese S’mice bucks at 8.5 weeks old. You can see the clear delineation between the toasty upper colors and the white belly on his rump photo. He’s got a little shorter face than I would like, so I’m considering checking the other really nice looking male for comparison on who to keep for breeding. I’ll be getting one litter from him soon, so I guess we’ll see! 

[kedreeva]

Two of the Mallowmese S’mice, at week 5! First three are the same boy, last one is one of the girls. They are so far maintaining their strange colors!

[kedreeva]

Mallowmese S’mouse at a little over 6 weeks old.

They are starting to point out now, into the same soft yellow-tan nose as their parents. Strangely, I had two different, normal siamese moms pop out babies that look like these guys, from SPSxSPS matings. I’m going to save a couple of the very dark, greyish siamese pups and cross to these to see if they produce normal looking SPS; maybe this one is just a poorly colored one and those ones are just darkly colored ones, and crossing them will lead to a middle ground.

But I gotta say “poorly” colored IMO doesn’t mean much when they’re this pretty!