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Dark Phoenix Stuff

Just a few things about the film, mostly Easter Eggs.

I will admit, it took me a few minutes to remember where I knew D'bari from, from when I remembered...it was a bold choice, I'll say that.

See they are in The Dark Phoenix Saga, but in a very, very different way.

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 So, yeah.

The destruction of their homeworld, in the movie attributed to the disembodied "cosmic force" is, in the comics, caused by the Dark Phoenix herself! (The entire climax of the Saga boils down to the X-Men trying to stop the Shi'ar from executing her for what she's done.)

I feel like this was a good way of working in a pivotal group from the comic, despite the film almost certainly never being able to do the real story. (Also, note that the central conflict of the film is a group trying to execute Jean for Phoenix-caused murder and a group of X-men trying to protect her.)

Jean dies in comic, but was brought back years later (there was a whole thing about that, actually). When she later dies "for good" it's implied that a part of her soul merges with the Phoenix Force and lives on within it, something the movie implies too.

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Here's a fun Easter Egg (that a lot of people already know about, as it appears in the trailer, but still.)

This off-handed comment appears in the first episode of FX's X-Men linked show Legion.

Well.......

Yeah. There's a Legion Easter Egg in the film. (Season two of Legion also off-handedly name-drops the Shi'ar. They have no role in the film, despite being prominent in the comic, but the first contact in this film could set the stage for future contact. Especially since the D'bari were part of the Shi'ar empire).

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The Dazzler cameo was nice, seeing as she was first introduced during the Dark Phoenix Saga. (In the comic Jean doesn't snap until after the Hellfire Club fucks with her head, making her have weird hallucinations and what-not. One of those episodes is what her and Scott are discussing.)

I do have one complaint though. She appears in the movie as she does in the comic, but this comic came out in 1980, hence Disco. Since the film is set in the 90's, she should have had her 90's look.

This would have doubled as an X-Men The Animated Series Easter Egg, since TAS did use her then-modern costume in the animated Dark Phoenix Saga.

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They also accidentally referenced the animated series by omitting Kitty. See, Kitty Pryde was also introduced in The Dark Phoenix Saga.

But there was a 'rule' that Kitty never appear in TAS. See, in 1989 Marvel released pilot for an animated X-Men show called Pryde of the X-Men, in which Kitty would be a prominent character. It was never picked up for syndication, though it did get a home video release (I actually use to have it.)

 After Pryde of the X-Men flopped Marvel waited a few years then tried again in 1992, with X-Men The Animated Series, which was a success. However, Kitty Pryde noticeably never appeared in TAS, even when she should have (i.e. Days of Future Past was adapted, but her role was replaced by Bishop, a character from a different dystopian future).

 I don't think it was intentional, but by not including Kitty in this movie, they have, in effect, copied the animated series. I found that amusing.

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And finally:

If you didn't know, the school being renamed happens in the comic too.

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Five Thoughts

While speculating about season six, it occurred to me that I never posted my final thoughts of season five, so I may as well do that, in case it ends up being relevant later.

In the finale, time was changed, but the coda with Tess and Flint from 5x10 implies that the Lighthouse future still exists. Which means Deke was right about multiverse theory. This makes sense, since Endgame uses multiverse theory too.

To reiterate from my previous posts:

The reason you have [multiverses] happen is to avoid a paradox.

For example, Mystique (disguised as Gambit) assassinates senator Kelly and the Sentinels take over the world, so Bishop goes to the past to stop it and is successful…meaning Bishop no longer has a reason to go back in time…so he doesn't go back…so the assassination isn't stopped…so dystopia happens…so Bishop does go back………..

By keeping the origin of time-traveling Bishop in existence, you keep his actions/knowledge in existence, despite the changes to the timeline you're making.

Basically, the Agents had experiences and obtained knowledge in the Lighthouse future which they acted on when they returned to the present. If their changes erased that future, where did those experiences/that knowledge come from?

So, that future still exists, but it's not the future of their world anymore.

Incidentally, I think in the original series of events, either Coulson didn't give Daisy the serum after he didn't take it, he did but Daisy didn't find it, or she did but didn't take it (maybe thinking she could escape without destroying Coulson's only chance survival, but not being able to do so). Graviton took Daisy's powers and blew up the Earth.

Mack and Polly died somehow, maybe in the ship, maybe some other way.

The survivors, Shield and civilian piled onto the Zephyr and tried to make it to the Lighthouse but crashed, something we actually see:

Finally, to recap my previous (early season five) Monolith theory (with some information from later in the season added).

The Black Monolith in season 2/3 allowed for travel through space and now we have a White Monolith that can allow travel through time. Space and Time are two of the Infinity stones. And Infinity War comes out this season.

Also, we later see two more Monoliths:

And, when they explode they read your Mind then warp Reality to reflect your deepest fears. So, yeah.

What I'm wondering is, did someone, at some point, try to imbue the power of [the] Infinity stones into the Monoliths? This wouldn't mean the Monoliths are the same as Infinity Stones; the Hydra guns in First Avenger certainly weren't copies of the Space Stone, after all. But that could be the origin of their power, if so, that's important, and not just from a tie-in perspective.

Spacetime (3x15) the episode that introduced Robin also very clearly laid out a theory of fourth dimensional time that just flat out says that time is fixed and cannot be changed.

And what we see in that episode and the finale backs that up, as does everything with Reina's visions in season 2. (She see what will happen if Jiaying is the one to meet with Shield, but she cannot change it.)

Well, you know what in the MCU very much did not seem to conform to Fitz's explanation of fourth dimensional time?

The entire third act of Doctor Strange.

But, why couldn't it alter the fourth dimension, it is utilizing an Infinity Stone after all.

And here's where we come back to part one of my theory. If the power of the White Monolith is derived from the Time Stone, it could allow the Agents who traveled though it (which would include Fitz, since I suspect the version of the Monolith that exist in the future is how they get home) to change time in a way other time travelers/clairvoyants can't, creating a multi-verse in the process.

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Endgame Plot Hole?

Well, no, but I will admit that there should have been a line or two explaining this in the film. I do consider this a flaw, for that reason.

Basically, traveling through time requires using Pym Particles to shrink down into the Quantum Realm and then re-growing and the film clearly establishes that there are a limited amount of Pym Particles; additional trips through time are not possible, the teams can go, do their things, and come back. That's it! This is a significant issue for Steve and Tony at one point. So, HOW does Thanos get to the future, if past-Nebula has already used our Nebula's return particles for herself?

The answer, I think, is to consider where that Pym Particle limit comes from.

Because, here's the thing, it's not that there's a finite amount of  Particles in existence in general, any amount can be synthesized into existence. There's only a finite amount in the film because every person on Earth that knows how to create them is dead or was Snapped. So they can't make any more and have to ration what's left of what Hank created before he "died". (This is why Steve and Tony fix their problem by just going back to a time when Hank was still around.)

After our Nebula is captured, her supply of Pym Particles is taken and given to past-Thanos. He doesn't say anything, but is later able to bring his full army through the Quantum Realm into the present.

Now, it's not outside the realm of possibility that among Thanos' resources are alien scientists and technology sufficient to reverse-engineer the Pym Particles and make more. That, plus an (off screen) examination of Nebula's suit and memories of using the machine to go there/being briefed on how to come back, would likely be enough for Thanos to do what he did.

That all make sense, but I would have liked more in the film itself. Even if it was just Thanos, looking at the vial of Pym Particles and saying something like "call the science division" or monologuing about how he did it during the attack on the present.

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Endgame

So, I can only conclude that multi-verse's are happening.

Because there's at least one universe now where Thanos and his whole army vanished in 2014, so The Snap never could have happened. (Incidentally, should any MCU TV show not acknowledge the Snappening/time-skip, we can assume that they take place in that universe.)

There's probably also now a reality where Loki escaped (with the Tesseract!) after The Battle of New York. Cap probably couldn't have fixed that. (I wonder if the Disney+ Loki show will follow that Loki...)

Also, there's now a world where Cap came back to Peggy (and probably the rest of the world) in the 40's (or maybe the 70′s).

Meanwhile, Cap freezing, Loki being caught, and Thanos all still happened in the past of the world the films exist in. (I assume Cap came back to this world from his parallel one using the suit. That's how he was there at the right time. Now, either he's going back, or he's staying because his Peggy died or something.)

And, to be fair, The Ancient One does hint at the creation of parallel realities from what they're doing when Bruce talks to her.

Because the most recent season of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. dealt with the concept of time-travel (and previous seasons had clairvoyant characters) I've actually written a lot about how time-travel does/may work in Marvel/The MCU. The main posts are here and here, but to summarize:

The Marvel comics (except when writers forget/don't listen/come-up with an in-universe exception) work on multi-verse theory. What this means is that, you can time-travel and change the past, creating a new present/future but the time you traveled from will not stop existing. Both will remain in existence as alternate universes.

The reason you have this happen is to avoid a paradox.

For example, Mystique (disguised as Gambit) assassinates senator Kelly and the Sentinels take over the world, so Bishop goes to the past to stop it and is successful…meaning Bishop no longer has a reason to go back in time…so he doesn't go back…so the assassination isn't stopped…so dystopia happens…so Bishop does go back………..

By keeping the origin of time-traveling Bishop in existence, you keep his actions/knowledge in existence, despite the changes to the timeline you're making.

But, Spacetime (3x15)... very clearly laid out a theory of fourth dimensional time that just flat out says that time is fixed and cannot be changed.

(Bruce referenced this in the movie, when he's claiming they can't change the past.)

Well, you know what in the MCU very much did not seem to conform to Fitz's explanation of fourth dimensional time?

The entire third act of Doctor Strange.

But, why couldn't it alter the fourth dimension, it is utilizing an Infinity Stone after all.

So, unless you use an Infinity Stone (which the Avengers don't, they use Pym Particles and quantum mechanics) you can't change time, but you may create a parallel world (not sure why Fitz and Bruce don't bring this theory up).

So, I'm assuming that's what happened.

Still unsure of how S.H.I.E.L.D. (which objectively takes place in a world where Thanos exists) will deal with the aftermath of the movie, since they didn't erase Infinity War from existence like I thought they would. So either they set the show during the post-snap years, or they find a way to incorporate a time-skip. (I could see a time-skip  happening with the crew in space, but what about May and Deke???)

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Missable Endgame Detail

"New Asgard" is located in Tønsberg, Norway, the place where the Frost Giants attacked in the opening of Thor and later was the place where Red Skull found the Tesseract in Captain America: The First Avenger. (It’s also possibly where Odin was chilling in Thor: Ragnarök, but that’s not confirmed.)

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If you saw Endgame and are wondering:

Most things are decently explained (one thing is not), and I'm working on a longer post about the time-travel, but there are still two questions I can think of that people might have:

1) The teen in the back by the house is the little kid from Iron Man 3.

2) From James Gunn's commentary on Guardians of the Galaxy:

Thousands of years ago, Morag was the home of an advanced and flourishing civilization, that was wiped out by a global warming catastrophe. .. Following the warming, Morag became entirely covered in oceans. However, every 300 years, the sea lowers and the Temple [that he Orb is in] is made accessible.

That's why they had to show up at the same time as Star Lord; there's only a small window of time when you can get the Orb.

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Soul Stone Theory (Part 2)

Continuing on from my previous post, first, some details about Wakanda and the Black Panther

The chief deity of Wakanda is the panther goddess Bast (aka Bastet, the cat-headed Lower Egyptian goddess of warfare, to whom cats were sacred). When Amun-Ra was defeated in a great war and became a slave of Anubis, it was discovered that Amun-Ra's heart could not be taken by Anubis, as it had already been removed and given to Bastet.

Bast would eventually hide the Heart at the bottom of a deep well in Wakanda.

Centuries ago, a meteor made of vibranium fell on Wakanda. The meteor emitted a highly mutagenic radiation and, when it first landed, painfully mutated a number of Wakandans into what they called "demon spirits".

Bast used the blood of Amun-Ra, from the heart, to transform Bashenga (T'challa's ancestor) into the first "Black Panther". The Black Panther protected the people of Wakanda from the demon spirits, and formed a religious order to protect the meteor site, preventing further mutations.

Eventually, the Wakandans worked out a way to safely mine and utilize the vibranium, becoming extremely wealthy and technologically advanced as a result.

Part of the ceremony to become the Black Panther involves eating a Heart-Shaped Herb (which has been mutated by vibranium radiation) which grants the eater enhanced strength, agility, and perception.

Fallen Black Panthers are sent to rest in the city of Necropolis. The entrance to Necropolis, the Wall of Knowledge, which carved in the shape of Ammon Ra and is located near a well. It's implied that this is the well in which Bast originally hid the heart of Ammon Ra.

Within the Necropolis, it's possible to communicate with the souls of dead Black Panthers.

Additionally, in the MCU, the Infinity Stones are known to have been wielded by the Celestials and in the Earth X (Earth-9997) reimagining of the Marvel comics, vibranium is what the armor of the celestials is made of.

So, you could reimaging the fall of the vibranium meteor as the moment in which the Soul Stone came to be on Earth. Possibly changing it from a meteor to a meteor shower, and the cause being a Celestial being destroyed and some of its vibranium armor. along with its Infinity Stone. falling to Earth. It would then be the stone's power that created the "demon spirits" (explaining why the vibranium is otherwise harmless).

The Egyptian gods could maybe be integrated into the story, with them being made aliens worshiped as Gods ala the MCU Asgardians. Maybe they could be why the Celestial was destroyed. The Heart, would then be the Soul Stone that maybe still gives power to the herb that give the Black Panther powers and is defiantly located near the door to the Necropolis. Speaking of...

In the trailer, we see T'Challa in a surreal, dreamscape-like place, seemingly talking to black panthers with glowing eyes. This could easily be T'Challa entering the movie's version of the Necropolis, and communing with the souls of former Black Panthers. Something that was only possible because Wakanda has the Soul Stone and use it in Black Panther related rituals.

Additionally, director and movie critic John Campea‏, who was at the premier last night, had this to say:

So, yeah.

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