#mcu!strange

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Can't wait

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You guys. They just keep revealing that this movie was going to be amazing and then decided to just not do that.

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Outside of just being a dumb Doctor Strange fanatic

I specifically paid to watch Spider-Man: No Way Home because I thought that was going to be the jumping off point for Doctor Strange in the Mulitverse of Madness, given that the entire thing teases the opening of the Multiverse.....

but like.  let me tell how how much MoM does NOT touch NWH at all!!!!!!

hahah I mean, I got my tiny Dr. Strange fix, and NWH was a fun/sad movie but also I wouldn’t have paid for it if I didn’t think I was actually watching some build up of the MCU’s larger Multiverse storylines that Dr. Strange was going to FULLY explore

and damn.  that did NOT happen

...

if i wasn’t such a fucking simp for Dr. Strange, I’d be pretty upset. but i am. so I can live with it. but also..... WTF

like. they kind of built it up that way, didn’t they??!?! or am I dumb as fuck???? all the “everything has been building to this!!!”

and then like. all you need to watch is WandaVision, you really don’t need to watch the first Dr. Strange movie, honestly.  maybe the Avengers movie where you learn about the 5 year blips for small bits of context. but its all so inconsequential, really.   

MCU. please.  like. you want to be this big collective universe and you are just not really even doing the bare minimum for that. 

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I cannot fathom in the movie with a reality altering super powered magic user and two of the other strongest magic users in the world 

how the only actual COOL magic battle in Multiverse of Madness was between two Strange’s who threw music at each other

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okay i got one last rum & coke let me try to type out my issues with MCU and how they are handling Sorcerer Supreme, the title and how it effects the characters Wong and Strange. This might not be coherent.

Okay.  Like, try to look at this as more than just a joke these characters like to throw around.  Try to think of Sorcerer Supreme as a title that actually means something.  (because it does)

Let’s start here.... In the comics Doctor Strange went on for a LONG time before he was ever Sorcerer Supreme. It was “Doctor Strange Master of the Mystic Arts”. So, Stephen doesn’t NEED to be Sorcerer Supreme to have fun and interesting stories.  Get that out of the way. I, as a fan, don’t need Stephen to be the Sorcerer Supreme.  But there is WEIGHT to this title. and MCU is more and more disregarding it. 

So. look at how MCU has told this story.  

We have Stephen’s whole origin movie.  And the emphasis on him and the almost “chosen one” aspect of him coming in and becoming the Sorcerer Supreme.  because the Ancient One (Current SS) saw it.  and they KNEW he’d become the SS.  and this was SIGNIFICANT.   Tho the first movie absolutely 0-100 guns Stephen’s training from novice to kind of proficient to Sorcerer Supreme in no time flat.... this is what they did.  him Becoming Sorcerer Supreme and accepting this responsibility from the Ancient One in the first movie was significant.  and was not a thing that he or the audience were meant to take lightly.  There were SCENES that hit this very heavily.  THIS WAS A BIG DEAL. 

And alongside this, we have chosen to adapt Wong as a direct peer of Stephen’s, even a sorcerer more experienced and knowledgeable.  a *bit* like “Season One” dynamics but not quite.  Wong is a competent Sorcerer, skilled fighter, and displayed to have a very good head for knowledge.  Remember that we are also at the same time presented with a Stephen Strange that essentially has a photographic memory in his first movie. 

Stephen is Sorcerer Supreme. But hes inexperienced........ MCU missteps first here.  Now Wong’s role is to wrangle an inexperienced Sorcerer who is THE LEADER, instead of just being his protector.  We’ve essentially tried to empower Wong here but have still put him in the same position as his comic counterpart but with a SS who kind of deserves the title less.  

We see a competent and powerful SS!Strange appear in the Avengers movies with Wong playing the support in Infinity War.  Okay.  We see Strange growing into his responsibilities and taking them seriously and a Wong who doesn’t have to wrangle strange as much as work alongside him. (loved this)

then the switch happens.  End Game, Stephen gets blipped and Wong (”by default”) earns the Sorcerer Supreme Title because Stephen is essentially dead and somebody has to be SS. 

So.  here come the problems.  Wong didn’t necessarily EARN this title.  the movies keep telling us he’s only SS by “technicality” and we even see Stephen disrespect his position, as shown lightheartedly in MoM (its still disrespect), and now we see the absolute MESS MCU has made of this. 

We’ve BARELY established Doctor Strange in the MCU and as this Sorcerer Supreme before we snatch it away from him with the *snap*.  and now we have to come up with some “solution” to the problem we’ve created.  we killed the sorcerer supreme.  there has to be another.  Give it to Wong.  But now we brought Stephen back and we dont want to FOCUS on Wong, the Sorcerer Supreme, so we just start to turn the title into some little joke because we don’t know what else to do.  We have no real avenue to correct what Infinity War did.  We didn’t think this far ahead.  

You see.  Now that Wong is Sorcerer Supreme its this kind of flimsy title suddenly that is just earned on “technicality”.  He’s a character that comes and goes and somehow ends up with the busy work.  You can argue this is just kind of how Wong works, he’s more oriented this way.. He’s going to better maintain the Kamar Taj school and training and be more physically present in the “day to day”. and I hear that.  But the casualness that the title Sorcerer Supreme takes on suddenly in the MCU speaks. 

( and the first Doctor Strange movie did not joke about this title and its responsibilities and what the role needed.   its all the movies that came after that kept making it less significant as they realized Stephen Strange was farther and farther from re-obtaining it.)

and throwing out that while Stephen was Sorcerer Supreme (and portrayed as competent for a bit) doesn’t JUMP HEAD FIRST into every new thing the title unlocks as MoM revealed the SS is given access to knowledge of the Vishanti and Book of Vishanti and we learn in MoM that Strange didn’t know anything about this but Wong did??

its like, shitting on them both at the same time.  because we have a Strange who didn’t seem to bother learning all that was available to him *LOLOLOL* and a Wong who is highly disregarded by the MCU despite his knowledge and skill. 

We’ve now overselled Strange as a Sorcerer and potential SS and entirely undersold Wong.    and yes. this fucking shits on them BOTH. 

We’ve dumbed down Stephen to such a degree that he’s left for half of his OWN movie asking “What’s going on?” while we went to all that trouble to *not* make Wong an underling and even made him SS yet he’s still EXPLAINING all this shit to Stephen.  

We’ve missed the marks entirely.  

We probably would have been better off leaving their comic book dynamic almost in tact at this point and how they’ve disrespected both characters but especially their attempt at empowering Wong.  

and then, with all these changes and making Wong a SORCERER and SS, you have to sit down and ask, why aren’t the movies about Wong, Master of the Mystic Arts, Sorcerer Supreme??

they BUNGLED IT.

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the doctor strange discourse around christine palmer and clea is so funny

its also just like so fucking dumb. 

just because Clea gets introduced doesn’t mean Christine has to disappear????

Stephen and her still care about each other.  they’re still friends??? like, she can still show up and essentially keep fulfulling the “Night Nurse”-esque role they gave her in the first movie.  if that’s what MCU wanted.  

she can still exist in the story and be a character that does shit.  

Yes, MoM did kind of further put the nail in the coffin of a Stephen/Christine romantic relationship.  But Christine is STILL AROUND!  Like. wtf. talk about only liking a character for her romance potential.... :/ :/ :/   Palmer fans talk like since Stephen and her’s romantic relationship has fallen apart that she just like... doesn’t exist anymore.  like she’s ceased to be. Like they killed her or something.  Spoiler. They didn’t kill her. (in this universe at least)

that people would 

1. Just assume because another woman is introduced that Christine has to be gone. sucks that this is the default attitude apparently. 

2. That it makes some people angry that Clea, her own damn character that has existed for decades, isn’t a Christine variant.  that you actively want these two separate characters to essentially just be interchangeable female characters so you can be more at ease in your shipping, damn the characters and the source material they’re pulled from and that they are IN FACT separate characters that can CO-EXIST. 

i dunno man. 

go read “The Oath”, drink some tea and calm down. 

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Okay okay. Just watched a couple guys react to multiverse of madness and they hated the credits scene with Clea

And I'm getting so anxious now because my hype is so strong. But they didn't even name her. And tbf, the scene is like just thrown in there at a weird juncture. (We had just seen strange collapse to his knees screaming after the third eye popped out. Then credits scene of his meeting Clea. What's going on?!?!)

And MCU has ignored doctor strange credit scenes before.. sorcerer hunting Mordo who?????

So like, what if they just drop this entirely because so many people are just like "what? Who is this?"

And I can't blame them but I'm also sitting her vibrating losing my mind. (Also some of these people talking about being doctor strange fans and like ... "You don't recognize Clea??". But what if they just drop it for the next shiney MCU thing to force onto Strange?)

My hope is that.... They definitely didn't get Charlize Theron for a tease only Strange comic fans would know, right?!?!!?? They've also brought her back into comic prominence????

The lack of general audience recognition of her, not even name dropping for her and the tease being so awkwardly (and probably rushed) is making me nervous now.

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Mutiverse of Madness spoils

"I love you in every universe."

"Wow, that's so romantic You've visited every universe and saw that?"

"Well, like... 2 or 3 universes actually. That I realized America had subconsciously sent us to in order to allow my specific issues, about you and my need for control, to be confronted. But I'm sure all universes are just like those. How diverse can the multiverse be, really? I mean we did momentarily pass through one where I was paint, but *shrug*"

"Oh. Well, that's nice."