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Hermesmann v Seyer: Myths and Facts
Myth: Hermesmann established that it is legal for a woman to rape a man.
Fact: Coleen Hermesmann was actually the prosecution in this case, which was a civil suit rather than a criminal case. For that reason, no criminal activity committed by either party was ever examined. Though I was not able to find an exact birthdate for Seyer, he was 13 when Hermesmann became pregnant, and their daughter was born in 1989. Assuming Hermesmann’s pregnancy did not stretch over two calendar years, he would have turned 18 at the latest in 1994, the year after the case was decided. Assuming he’s still alive (he'd be somewhere in mid-40s, so very likely), he’s had at least 26 years to file criminal charges against her without assistance from his parents, but never has.
Myth: Hermesmann handed a female predator money after violating a child.
Fact: The Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services, who assisted Ms. Hermesmann in this case, ultimately had no intention of collecting the child support.
Myth: Shane Seyer was tried alone in this case, in a similar capacity to an adult.
Fact: His parent were listed by name as plaintiffs in the full name of the case, which also specifically calls him a minor. (Seyer might have turned 18 before the case was ultimately decided, but the civil suit was first filed in 1991.)
Myth: Hermesmann has federal application.
Fact: Hermesmann only got to the Kansas Supreme Court, and thus only applies to one state where less than a percent of the national population lives.
Myth: Hermesmann is an example of the liberalization of America.
Fact: Kansas has not had a Democratic senator since 1939, nor has it been a blue state in presidential elections since 1964. (In that particular election, Johnson ran against Goldwater, who was so notoriously unpopular he only won his home state of Arizona and a few states in the deep south.) If anything, Hermesmann represents an ersatz shotgun wedding.
Myth: “Male empowerment/men’s rights/opposition to the matriarchy” would have prevented the decision reached at Hermesmann.
Fact: Seven justices sit on the Kansas Supreme Court. At the time Hermesmann was decided, six of those were men, who had enjoyed elevated legal, political, economic, and social influence for several decades by virtue of residing in lower courts. These men were under no pressure, economic, political, or sociocultural, to rule in a manner that would appease feminists or anyone else. Chief Justice Holmes and every other male justice on the court who agreed with him made the ruling based on their personal whims.
Myth: The justices who decided Hermesmann did not concern themselves with the welfare of children.
Fact: All justices were born in one of the poorest states in the US, immediately before, during, or immediately after the Great Depression, in a world where smallpox still existed outside labs, and came of age or had their childhoods during the deadliest conflict in human history by total number fallen (in which the chief justice actually served). They were all born into a world marked by poverty, famine, war, and disease. Their early legal careers almost certainly saw cases where poor widows or single mothers whose partners had run off were trying as hard as they could to raise children alone. They saw the issue of granting Seyer revenge or making sure Hermesmann’s child was provided for as a very difficult decision. Though I can sit here and say I don’t agree with it, I can appreciate just how complicated of a moral choice it actually was, especially for those who spent their early lives in a world for which neither I nor almost anyone currently living, in particular those who would use this case as a talking point against me, have any frame of reference.
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Question for feminists.
If not being a feminist means I don't want women to have rights. Does that also mean if your not a mra does that mean you are against men having rights?