#milgram thoughts

[nagitoblog]

i like your theory that the reports are based off of the prisoner's memories. makes more sense that some things are just... skewed

RIGHT?? thinking of it makes me way more satisfied about reports and it makes more sense to me ....I'm happy you like it!!!!! something that also backs it up for me other than what i already said in my post(s) is how in 3rd page of reports it always says "save information from [event]"..surely that information or "save data" is from their mind right? something like that shouldn't be surprising in milgram [i mean literally how the mvs work too!?] and I'm super convinced

examples..

look at all of them, when you think of all reports we've seen it makes sense to think its taken from their own memory which is also why we sometimes don't have much info on other people included or other perspectives or things they wouldn't be aware of like in mikotos case.

his case is what made me think of this theory cause he isn't aware of his childhood or remember it which would make so much sense considering he has DID.. wouldn't itjat make perfect sense? remember how jackalope wasn't aware of johns existence in trial 1? that's because mikoto himself wasn't aware of that and so milgram didn't know either.

i feel so genius for this........

[cupidsncheerios]

on one hand kazui t3 is genuinely really heartbreaking and the best writing in milgram so far by a mile, but on the other hand it’s really really funny to canonize him as a bottom in the midst of all of this. like i can’t even say “live ur truth king” because that sent him to jail

[purgemarchlockdown]

I like how this affirms he genuinely dgaf about other people's lives if they aren't considered important to him. That truck driver didn't do shit on purpose and he killed them because they got into an accident with his family. His family wasn't even dead at this point, he just wanted to be done with the guy.

Also it actually makes a lot of sense despite the fact this is one million red herrings. This report doesn't deeply irritate me great job milgram.

[purgemarchlockdown]

Milgram Fandom I don't know what to tell you people other than conflating someone being brain damaged (disabled) or having NPD (mental illness) or anything like that to them not being able to comprehend the severity or harm her actions can cause is ableist. And even if she does it doesn't mean she is unable to control her actions/has no agency in her actions.

In Fact! This sort of rhetoric is oftentimes used to harm and abused disabled and mentally ill people, the idea that they are "more able" to harm, or that due to being unable to "comprehend" their actions amd thus being more dangerous.

Not only is this Wrong:

Mental illness can sometimes be associated with aggressive or violent behavior. But people living with a mental illness and receiving effective treatment are no more violent or dangerous than the rest of the population. People living with a mental illness are more likely to harm themselves – or to be harmed – than they are to hurt other people.

A new report published today reveals that in the last year women with disability were more than twice as likely to report sexual violence as women without disability. A quarter of young people with disability reported violence in the last year compared to 11% of those in older age groups. And people with cognitive and psychological impairments reported higher rates of all types of violence compared to people with other types of impairments.

But this rhetoric is often used to justify violence towards people with disability and mental illness such as in cases of forced institutionalization.

My inner monologue formed a loop in my head: don’t show too much emotion, or the nurses will assume you’re unstable. Don’t show too little emotion either, or the drugs must be too strong, they will have to readjust them. Smile, be polite, but not withdrawn. Hold out your arm when it’s time for the daily blood draw, even if you’re terrified of needles. Eat food that’s bland even by Massachusetts standards, and be grateful if there’s a fruit cup with dinner. Speak with the other patients enough to appear agreeable and cooperative, but not so much that you open yourself up to unwelcome comments or looks. Sit on a bed in a room that has been stripped of all warmth and feeling, a room that is designed to remind you that the people here think you are a threat to yourself. You’ve been seeking care for almost six years already, but the doctor met with you for 15 minutes and you’re here now, so what they say about you must be true. Perform normalcy on the worst day of your life. Rinse, repeat, for as many days as you can until you are finally, hopefully, set free.

New York City’s Civilian Complaint Review Board, an independent city agency that investigates reports of police misconduct and abuse, gets hundreds of complaints a year related to forcing people into psychiatric hospitals. Further expanding the NYPD’s already enormous power and surveillance capacity will probably lead to increased violence against some of our most vulnerable neighbors. Under the Adams administration, the NYPD has dramatically escalated so-called “sweeps” of unhoused encampments, which activists say “are designed to break spirits and get people out of sight”. For individuals living with mental illness, encounters with the police can be traumatizing, violent and, at worst, deadly. That risk becomes even greater when the individual is Black. It’s also important to emphasize that, just as Black people with mental illness are at a greater risk of harm, arrest and/or incarceration by law enforcement, they are also at greater risk of racist treatment by mental health professionals.

I try to be very nice on here but I dislike the increase of frankly ablelistic arguments for the sake of absolving Muu of guilt by saying she couldn't have comprehended those actions. When that sort of thought process has done actual harm in the real world to people who have experienced very real abuse the world around us.

[purgemarchlockdown]

I would like to state that the report itself does not state that Muu Doesn't Know that the bullying is occurring:

The girl does not succumb, nor does she cry and apologize, and this causes the bullying to escalate. Mu gives no orders. She does not bring up the girl in conversation. Mu understood, however, that anyone who rebels against her must fall, and that she was undoubtedly the center of the universe

Not only that, but the idea she does actively contradicts both Pain:

and It's Not My Fault:

And yes I've read the VDs and just because Muu "known liar" Kusonoki who plays victim to avoid accountability says that Rei struck first doesn't mean that she doesn't understand what she did previously is bad. Purely that she sees herself as the clear victim in the scenario.

Her lyrics as well reflects her understanding of the scenario at hand.

You know, your “I’m sorry” won’t reach anyone You’re super creepy, do you realize that? You know, your “I’m sorry” won’t reach anyone You can’t read the room, you’re such a waste of air

These lines are taken from the Blackboard at the End of After Pain (the Blackboard at the start of After Pain and at the end of After Pain are for different people, the first one is for Muu, the second is for Rei.)

2 – Read the atmosphere 10 – You’re so disgusting

(Tl and Edited Images by rochisama)

The lyrics of Pain reflect words that Muu either said directly to Rei, or words that she actively Heard and Permitted. She does, in fact, understand bullying as something "bad."

M: No matter the circumstances, it’s always the bullies who are in the wrong! Isn’t that obvious? Warden-san, you’re so smart, but you don’t even know things like that? Maybe you should take some lessons on morals or something. E: … M: Besides, even if I’ve done something wrong, there’s nothing that could justify bullying someone. Warden-san, I thought you were a nicer person.

(TL by onigiriico)

Plus, just because people you know start shit behind your back doesn't mean you can't stop it, and we know that Muu is aware of the power she does hold over others in her social circle:

But Muu wasn't just idly complicit in Rei's actions, but actively viewed it as the "correct" action for Rei

Am I all-knowing and all-mighty? Only “yes” or “of course” is allowed Mommy and daddy’s precious princess, friendship games, the ultimate playmaker Weakness? I’m all strength, I’m never cannibalized, doing great today and everyday The looooowest of the low, don’t speak to me, I didn’t allow it

She claims to be all knowing in one scenario because she believes she deserves everything, but then the moment anyone disagrees with her she plays victim and claims that she couldn't of held any sort of agency in her actions. This is a known pattern of hers that we saw it in Trial 1-Trial 2 and now she's back in Trial 1.

This doesn't mean she's 100% evil teenage girl or whatever, it doesn't, but she really did mean it when she harmed and Murdered Rei the way she did. Denying it is just allowing her to continue to escape accountability for her actions.

[feeding-time-at-the-zoo]

voting fuuta unforgiven this time around specifically because of the vd ngl… because yeah he doesnt subscribe 100% with amanes stuff but boy is he fueling her actions for his own selfish desires. this guy still has nothing he’d stand for 100% and is only following along because it makes him feel good (sounds familiar). trying not to bring the mv in as it makes him look cartoonishly evil but i havent seen him mention the “whip” part of “candy and whip”…only the candy. love him but unfortunately with all of that emphasis on the sweets i dont think hes going to change and i cant really support that sorry bud

[schrodingersl10n]

My favourite scene if you believe that Green is real and the murderer. Due to colour theory the garbage bag is very similar to how Mikoto's hair looks like in this type of light scheme. The highlight of the garbage bag being the dyed parts of his hair.

Green is abusing his powers as a Gatekeeper to lobotomize the murder from Blue's memories (symbolized by the top knot being kept above and sperate from his head); it's looming over his head but he can not recall or access the memory.

Symbolism goes hard in Mikoto's mvs *chefs kiss*

[purgemarchlockdown]

Kirisaki Shidou: Yes, it truly is a great thing. No exaggeration. Even if they aren't your own children, don't you think its nice to have someone who's existence connects you to the future? If you can leave them something that they'll carry for the rest of their lives, I think it gives your own life more purpose. That's hope.

“Throw down”, someone’s value Cannot be the same as another “Throw down” should choose between superiority or inferiority

“Throw down” connecting you with me, To keep you alive, you are still living

T1Q4: Is there anything you treasure? A: Family.

T1Q1: Is there someone you can confide in? A: They're already gone now.

T2Q11: Tell us about your family composition. A: My wife and my 2 kids.

T1Q1: Why did you choose your current workplace? A: Because I thought it'd let me contribute to society.

T2Q15: Have you contributed to society? I had thought my work was a contribution to society.

Those cards of promise I discarded Were they retribution for my incessant taking

The vote that negates the option of death, the love that won’t perish

So hey, prolong my life, I’m indispensable

T1Q16: What is the definition of happiness? To be promised an unchanging tomorrow.