#ModTalkLeaks Reddit Mods Discuss Feminism
From the latest mod talk leaks from Reddit: http://a.pomf.se/jdjswu.txt
Nov 11 00:48:36 <HandicapperGeneral> yeah Nov 11 00:48:37 <JustPassingThrough> steal his money Nov 11 00:48:38 <JustPassingThrough> or something Nov 11 00:48:40 <HandicapperGeneral> i used to want the books so bad Nov 11 00:48:48 <HandicapperGeneral> i don't want to fund this crap though Nov 11 00:48:57 <XavierMendel> Mhm Nov 11 00:49:15 <HandicapperGeneral> i wonder what his traffic stats have been like over the last few years Nov 11 00:49:23 <HandicapperGeneral> during his descent into career suicide Nov 11 00:49:33 <XavierMendel> He actually used to have public stats on the front page Nov 11 00:49:36 <XavierMendel> I'll see if I can find them Nov 11 00:49:39 <HandicapperGeneral> also, i wonder if feminists even like him Nov 11 00:49:46 <HandicapperGeneral> or if they think he's trying to appropriate their cause Nov 11 00:49:51 <Paradox> man Nov 11 00:49:55 <HandicapperGeneral> lots of feminists hate male feminists Nov 11 00:50:02 <JustPassingThrough> i dont hate male feminists Nov 11 00:50:02 <Paradox> lot of feminists hate attractive women Nov 11 00:50:05 <JustPassingThrough> i just hate straw men Nov 11 00:50:15 <HandicapperGeneral> i hate male feminists Nov 11 00:50:20 <HandicapperGeneral> there's no such thing Nov 11 00:50:22 <HandicapperGeneral> it's dumb Nov 11 00:50:39 <Paradox> its like a homophobic gay man Nov 11 00:50:42 <HandicapperGeneral> a man is either an equalist (my own term, i'm sure there's a better word for it), or a male apologist Nov 11 00:50:50 <Paradox> HandicapperGeneral era? Nov 11 00:50:54 <HandicapperGeneral> now Nov 11 00:50:57 <JustPassingThrough> i dont really see what the fuss is about the use of words Nov 11 00:51:05 <Paradox> words carry meanings Nov 11 00:51:07 <HandicapperGeneral> specifically men who care about women's rights Paradox Nov 11 00:51:17 <Paradox> they directly influence the way we understand and process our surroundings Nov 11 00:51:23 <JustPassingThrough> yes but people are trying to force words into definitions that they arent Nov 11 00:51:27 <Paradox> HandicapperGeneral MRAs? Nov 11 00:51:33 <HandicapperGeneral> misogynists Nov 11 00:51:37 <Paradox> well Nov 11 00:51:38 <HandicapperGeneral> or equalists Nov 11 00:51:42 <HandicapperGeneral> depends Nov 11 00:51:53 <Paradox> there are 2 ways a word can be given its definition Nov 11 00:51:53 <JustPassingThrough> i identify as someone who wishes gender equality, and i believe 'feminism' as a word fits that definition. i also believe 'egalitarianism' as a word fits it Nov 11 00:51:57 <XavierMendel> Yeah, it's gone Nov 11 00:51:58 <Paradox> the dictionary, which is a formalized definition Nov 11 00:51:59 <HandicapperGeneral> actually, i personally believe feminism shouldn't exist at all Nov 11 00:52:01 <BipolarBear0> Who gives a shit? Nov 11 00:52:04 <XavierMendel> He doesn't have public stats anymore Nov 11 00:52:05 <BipolarBear0> Just treat people like people. Nov 11 00:52:05 <Paradox> and the societal definition Nov 11 00:52:07 <Paradox> which is shifting Nov 11 00:52:08 <BipolarBear0> That's it. Nov 11 00:52:09 <Paradox> but often more accurate Nov 11 00:52:25 <HandicapperGeneral> I think equalism is the only true word for gender equality. i think feminists are either equalists or misandrists, and vice versa for mra's Nov 11 00:52:25 <Paradox> the dictionary definition of feminism is "one who strives for equal rights for women" Nov 11 00:52:32 <Paradox> the societal one is "one who strives for womens rights" Nov 11 00:52:37 <Paradox> there's a difference there Nov 11 00:52:41 <Paradox> but not as big as people may thing Nov 11 00:52:42 <Paradox> think Nov 11 00:52:47 <Paradox> what does, say, equal rights for women mean? Nov 11 00:52:52 <Paradox> do they give up rights men dont have? Nov 11 00:52:53 <JustPassingThrough> HandicapperGeneral i mean i agree, but i feel like...wait 1 sec Nov 11 00:52:56 <Paradox> or do they just get every right men have Nov 11 00:53:04 <XavierMendel> I believe that feminism was once a good thing, but has gone past its useful days and now only seeks to bring men down. We need egalitarianism instead. -- Nov 11 00:53:30 <Paradox> what im saying is Nov 11 00:53:43 <HandicapperGeneral> Paradox equal rights is the only fair outcome for anyone, and I don't believe either gender should have any rights the other doesn't Nov 11 00:53:44 <XavierMendel> Just like how men's rights could very well be a good movement, but it's got men in the title, it'll only seek to help one cause Nov 11 00:53:53 <Paradox> you cant say you advocate for the rights of one gender and dismiss the rights another gender lacks and consider yourself non-bigoted Nov 11 00:53:58 <HandicapperGeneral> so yes, I believe that women should give up rights men don't have, that or give the right to men Nov 11 00:54:00 <XavierMendel> Equalist, egalitarian, that's fitting. Nov 11 00:54:24 <Paradox> the old trope of "feminism benefits men too" or "a rising tide raises all boats" doesn't hold true when feminism is plugging more holes in one boat than in others Nov 11 00:54:24 <HandicapperGeneral> yes, egalitarian Nov 11 00:54:27 <HandicapperGeneral> that's what i was looking for Nov 11 00:54:54 <Paradox> say you have a boat with 12 different sized holes in it Nov 11 00:55:03 <HandicapperGeneral> Paradox and that idea is starting to become so common to feminists that it's becoming ingrained just like "the patriarchy" is for everyone Nov 11 00:55:10 <Paradox> one boat has plugs that fit say 6 holes Nov 11 00:55:11 <JustPassingThrough> i dont see how switching the name from feminism to egalitarianism is going to plug holes faster Nov 11 00:55:12 <HandicapperGeneral> hang on i had a link Nov 11 00:55:22 <XavierMendel> You don't switch the name Nov 11 00:55:26 <HandicapperGeneral> http://i.imgur.com/FXYfDHl.jpg Nov 11 00:55:27 <HandicapperGeneral> this Nov 11 00:55:28 <XavierMendel> You get rid of both and create one new Nov 11 00:55:32 <Paradox> and the other boat has plugs for the other 6 holes Nov 11 00:55:35 <HandicapperGeneral> that is a wonderful statement of equality Nov 11 00:55:38 <HandicapperGeneral> up until the last line -- Nov 11 00:55:56 <HandicapperGeneral> the last line heavily implies that only women can actually proactively increase gender equality Nov 11 00:55:56 <JustPassingThrough> XavierMendel you cant just get rid of it, because thats an opporunity for people to stick their fingers in and push their own agendas Nov 11 00:55:59 <Paradox> first boat sinks because its full of holes Nov 11 00:56:02 <Paradox> second boat rises Nov 11 00:56:07 <JustPassingThrough> you have to put the new standard in first and ease the other out Nov 11 00:56:19 <JustPassingThrough> cant just tear it all down and start over or therell be a vacuum Nov 11 00:56:21 <JustPassingThrough> so to speak Nov 11 00:56:44 <HandicapperGeneral> where's laurelai, i want her input Nov 11 00:56:47 <XavierMendel> JustPassingThrough: As if agendas aren't the entire reason behind both Nov 11 00:57:02 <XavierMendel> We already have egalitarianism as a movement, it's just really small Nov 11 00:57:03 <HandicapperGeneral> i want to put this whole conversation on tumblr and see what sjw's think Nov 11 00:57:09 <XavierMendel> People like to fight for their team, never both Nov 11 00:57:16 <HandicapperGeneral> that's my problem Nov 11 00:57:24 <HandicapperGeneral> i think the entire gender equality movement is fucked Nov 11 00:57:27 <Paradox> you cannot say a movement is for equal rights when said movement blames all the problems of society on a group of people who are members of said group due to circumstances beyond their control Nov 11 00:57:31 <XavierMendel> I don't want to fight at all, but think that those that do fight should be fair about it Nov 11 00:57:38 <JustPassingThrough> i disagree, there are people who fight for both teams. hell there are people who fight for the other team but not their own, going back to the sinfest bullshit Nov 11 00:57:49 <HandicapperGeneral> originally feminism was necesary, for the same reasons as gay pride. they needed a communal identity to be able to fight for themselves Nov 11 00:57:56 <HandicapperGeneral> but that's not where we are anymore Nov 11 00:58:00 <XavierMendel> It's outlived its usefulness Nov 11 00:58:06 <HandicapperGeneral> now there needs to be one giant communal identity -- Nov 11 01:00:05 <HandicapperGeneral> but without your original godwin reference Nov 11 01:00:08 <BipolarBear0> That's probably a better one Nov 11 01:00:12 <BipolarBear0> It was perverted by Stalin Nov 11 01:00:20 <HandicapperGeneral> so it looks like you're legitimately comparing feminism to nazis Nov 11 01:00:22 <Paradox> leninist communism was a desire to solve the struggles of all people Nov 11 01:00:34 <Paradox> and the initial soviet union wasnt bad at all Nov 11 01:00:45 <Paradox> but then lenin died and stalin took over Nov 11 01:00:49 <JustPassingThrough> you guys do all know that patriarchal feminism is in decline right Nov 11 01:00:54 <Paradox> JustPassingThrough tell that to tumblr Nov 11 01:00:55 <HandicapperGeneral> let's talk about how mussolini was actually a totally radical dude Nov 11 01:00:58 <JustPassingThrough> SJWs are a side effect of the transition to intersectional feminism Nov 11 01:00:58 <Paradox> or are those "not real feminists" Nov 11 01:01:08 <JustPassingThrough> theyre real feminists, yeah. but theyre also dumb. Nov 11 01:01:12 <Paradox> tell that to the feminist adjunct prof in my social constructionism class Nov 11 01:01:30 <HandicapperGeneral> those are "not real feminists" in the same way that WBC is "not real christians" and terrorists are "not real muslims" Nov 11 01:01:32 <JustPassingThrough> when i say 'in decline' im not saying 'doesnt exist anymore' you know that right Nov 11 01:01:41 <Paradox> i'd say its resurgant Nov 11 01:01:44 <Paradox> it saw its decline in the 90s Nov 11 01:01:57 <Paradox> and now the number of idiots spouting it has increased dramatically Nov 11 01:02:05 <HandicapperGeneral> the recent surge in internet sjw's fueled the fire Nov 11 01:02:11 <JustPassingThrough> the resurgence is also a hodgepodge collage of three completely incompatible ideas in feminism Nov 11 01:02:15 <HandicapperGeneral> recent = last decade Nov 11 01:02:41 <Paradox> how is it declining when, arguably one of the most successful women of our time, hilary clinton Nov 11 01:02:50 <Paradox> says that women are more of a victim in wars than men Nov 11 01:03:06 <HandicapperGeneral> they're totally separate and distinct movements, all trying to claim the feminist name because it had a preexisting legitimate reputation, and no one realizes they aren't a united front Nov 11 01:03:15 <HandicapperGeneral> Paradox what. Nov 11 01:03:16 <HandicapperGeneral> link Nov 11 01:03:19 <HandicapperGeneral> WHAT Nov 11 01:03:22 <XavierMendel> HandicapperGeneral: It's seriously true Nov 11 01:03:23 <JustPassingThrough> didnt she apologize for being an idiot -- Nov 11 01:08:47 <BipolarBear0> I could see getting really pissed off at it if it was prevalent in any manner Nov 11 01:08:53 <HandicapperGeneral> no one reports it Nov 11 01:08:55 <Paradox> all sex is rape because women cant consent Nov 11 01:08:56 <HandicapperGeneral> especially not men Nov 11 01:09:00 <Paradox> are you saying women have no agency? Nov 11 01:09:03 <BipolarBear0> But it's not really that big of a deal Nov 11 01:09:07 <JustPassingThrough> its a small one which is also about thirty years out of date Nov 11 01:09:09 <Paradox> FUCK YOU SHITLORD POWERFUL WOMYN HAVE AGENCY MEN ARE JUST RAPISTS Nov 11 01:09:19 <JustPassingThrough> but people are blaming the current theories for it because they exist in tandem Nov 11 01:09:22 <Paradox> and yet it persists like the common cold Nov 11 01:09:31 <BipolarBear0> Like, each individual person may know like 1 or 2 radical feminists personally Nov 11 01:09:39 <Paradox> changing form but always creating the same symptoms Nov 11 01:09:48 <BipolarBear0> And everyone doubtlessly thinks their ideology is fairly dumb anyway Nov 11 01:09:57 <BipolarBear0> So there's not a huge potential for it to spread Nov 11 01:10:03 <Paradox> in my social constructionism class Nov 11 01:10:11 <BipolarBear0> The vast majority of people are either normal equalists or feminists or whatever Nov 11 01:10:14 <Paradox> we had this lecture by this woman who was like "women dont have to be beautiful, you can do whatever" Nov 11 01:10:15 <Paradox> which is amiable Nov 11 01:10:26 <Paradox> but the way she presented the lecture was rather insulting to women who work to be beautiful Nov 11 01:10:28 <JustPassingThrough> also equalist is a thing from a childrens cartoon Nov 11 01:10:34 <Paradox> in the follow up discussion Nov 11 01:10:34 <HandicapperGeneral> see, i hate that Nov 11 01:10:37 <JustPassingThrough> pretty sure the academized term is egalitarianism :P Nov 11 01:10:38 <HandicapperGeneral> it's the same thing fat girls do Nov 11 01:10:42 <HandicapperGeneral> "big is beautiful" Nov 11 01:10:51 <HandicapperGeneral> "but skinny is disgusting, you must be anorexic" -- Nov 11 01:12:15 <HandicapperGeneral> i have a family friend who has a law degree from stanford, and she chooses to be a housewife because she loves it and she loves her family Nov 11 01:12:21 <Paradox> the tenured prof is an oldschool ERA Nov 11 01:12:55 <JustPassingThrough> the key term here is 'oldschool' Nov 11 01:13:04 <Paradox> there is clearly some interesting power dynamic between the two of them Nov 11 01:13:10 <BipolarBear0> Earned run average? Nov 11 01:13:36 <Paradox> my mother hates modern feminism as well, and doesnt call herself a feminist anymore Nov 11 01:13:55 <Paradox> she was studying astrophysics in the 1960s-70s Nov 11 01:14:00 <Paradox> and is now on the NSF board Nov 11 01:14:00 <BipolarBear0> I know we all overestimate the extent of fringe ideologies Nov 11 01:14:05 <BipolarBear0> Because we're on the internet and all Nov 11 01:14:28 <HandicapperGeneral> i know that not all feminists are radfems, but just like the wbc, terrorists, and bill o'reilly Nov 11 01:14:40 <HandicapperGeneral> the most ignorant, loudest, biggest assholes are the ones that everyone hears Nov 11 01:14:51 <Paradox> how come no one seems to hear the non-loud ones though? Nov 11 01:14:53 <Paradox> i mean Nov 11 01:14:54 <Paradox> with islam Nov 11 01:14:57 <Paradox> conservatism Nov 11 01:14:59 <Paradox> and christianity Nov 11 01:14:59 <dakta> guys Nov 11 01:15:02 <JustPassingThrough> idk maybe nobody fucking listens??? Nov 11 01:15:08 <Paradox> or maybe no one is saying it Nov 11 01:15:20 <BipolarBear0> Save me dakta -- Nov 11 01:15:54 <JustPassingThrough> i mean think about it Nov 11 01:16:11 <HandicapperGeneral> many don't speak because they think no one will listen, which means the few who are brave enough to speak aren't numerous enough to be heard Nov 11 01:16:16 <JustPassingThrough> in what situation is "people should be equal regardless of gender" going to be a stunning revelation which has never crossed someones mind Nov 11 01:16:16 <dakta> BipolarBear0: Has anyone ever really been far? http://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1qchfk/rolling_to_the_finish/cdbkzmf?context=1 Nov 11 01:16:20 <JustPassingThrough> its all background noise Nov 11 01:16:29 <HandicapperGeneral> Paradox i think he was referring to religion Nov 11 01:16:44 <JustPassingThrough> i dont think bell hooks ever said to kill men but ill get back to you on that Nov 11 01:16:51 <Paradox> JustPassingThrough killing rage Nov 11 01:16:52 <Paradox> page 1 Nov 11 01:17:33 <HandicapperGeneral> dakta please tell you don't think that 4chan post is where that came from Nov 11 01:18:09 <dakta> HandicapperGeneral: Nope, but would you be surprised if I told you that's what KnowYourMeme thought? Nov 11 01:18:12 <Paradox> where she says she wants to kill the anonymous uninvolved stranger sitting next to her because her black female friend was harassed due to a misunderstanding Nov 11 01:18:15 <Paradox> thats a totally sane response Nov 11 01:18:29 <HandicapperGeneral> not really, knowyourmeme is like someone's grandma trying to interpret the internet Nov 11 01:18:32 <Paradox> "I want to kill this person who was in absolutely no way involved because something happened to my friend that was resolved" Nov 11 01:18:52 <HandicapperGeneral> Paradox what are you talking about Nov 11 01:18:54 <Paradox> "simply because of whats between his legs" Nov 11 01:18:55 <HandicapperGeneral> page 1 o fwhat Nov 11 01:19:07 <Paradox> a book by "moderate feminist" bell hooks Nov 11 01:19:10 <HandicapperGeneral> oh -- Nov 11 03:43:42 <HandicapperGeneral> at most he likes fringe religious stuff Nov 11 03:43:48 <HandicapperGeneral> he's never liked anything else Nov 11 03:44:08 <XavierMendel> You didn't figure it out? Nov 11 03:44:10 <XavierMendel> He's gay now Nov 11 03:44:32 <XavierMendel> Power rangers, voltron, he-man, thundercats, jesus erotica Nov 11 03:44:57 <XavierMendel> Hence why he wears the hat Nov 11 03:45:06 <HandicapperGeneral> it's fundie-cats Nov 11 03:45:08 <HandicapperGeneral> get it right Nov 11 03:45:10 <XavierMendel> blah Nov 11 03:45:17 <XavierMendel> It's also why the sisterhood doesn't bother him Nov 11 03:45:21 <XavierMendel> feminists like gay men Nov 11 03:51:14 <Paradox> A ship can carry a boat, but a boat cannot carry a ship Nov 11 03:51:36 <HandicapperGeneral> that's only true if you're in the navy Nov 11 03:51:47 <Paradox> you mom is a vital naval resource Nov 11 03:51:54 <HandicapperGeneral> outside the navy there is no technical distinction between a ship and a boat Nov 11 03:52:17 <Paradox> do you shiver timbers HandicapperGeneral Nov 11 03:52:32 <HandicapperGeneral> no, TheLegitMidgit is the timbers fan Nov 11 03:52:57 <Paradox> timber shivering Nov 11 05:02:50 <syncretic> son of a bitch -- Nov 11 12:23:14 <HandicapperGeneral> http://www.lyricsondemand.com/soundtracks/m/mrandmrssmithlyrics/youaremysunshinelyrics.html Nov 11 12:23:24 <HandicapperGeneral> just in case you were wondering what that song was about Nov 11 12:23:35 <HandicapperGeneral> (spoiler: it's not about the sun and rainy days) Nov 11 12:24:38 <BipolarBear0> Netsplit for breakfast Nov 11 12:24:56 <BipolarBear0> Goddamnit Nov 11 12:25:13 <BipolarBear0> That's depressing Nov 11 12:27:23 <douglasmacarthur> wow bpb0 way to slip /r/drama into the sidebar Nov 11 12:27:24 <douglasmacarthur> you sly bear Nov 11 12:27:43 <BipolarBear0> Everyone else put their subreddits in their Nov 11 12:27:46 <BipolarBear0> I had to compensate Nov 11 12:27:47 <BipolarBear0> !mods videos -- Nov 11 22:10:00 <allthefoxes> transqueer cis genter foxkin Nov 11 22:10:04 <allthefoxes> (jk) Nov 11 22:10:09 <douglasmacarthur> any awkwardness you may sense eminating from me while you hug me is 'cause you're a furry not 'cause you're gay Nov 11 22:10:11 <douglasmacarthur> any awkwardness you felt emanating from me while you hugged me was strictly due to your being a furry and not due to your being gay Nov 11 22:10:22 <HandicapperGeneral> ok Nov 11 22:10:22 <douglasmacarthur> woah Nov 11 22:10:22 <allthefoxes> ty Nov 11 22:10:23 <MillenniumFalc0n> well if you fall outside the binary it's probably hard to be specific Nov 11 22:10:31 <Zazie_Lavender> yes Nov 11 22:10:36 <Zazie_Lavender> I do fall outside the binary Nov 11 22:10:38 <HandicapperGeneral> you've obviously never asked an sjw what they are Nov 11 22:10:44 <douglasmacarthur> my Internet is done so that other version of the message I sent 5 minutes ago finally came through just as I'd retyped it Nov 11 22:10:45 <HandicapperGeneral> they'll tell you exactly what they are Nov 11 22:10:46 <allthefoxes> ITS NOT MY JOB Nov 11 22:10:49 <Zazie_Lavender> I'm really genderfluid Nov 11 22:10:51 <HandicapperGeneral> it'll just take about 15 miutes to do so Nov 11 22:10:52 <allthefoxes> TO EDUCATE YOU Nov 11 22:10:55 <allthefoxes> SHIT Nov 11 22:10:57 <allthefoxes> LORD Nov 11 22:11:03 <BipolarBear0> lol allthefoxes Nov 11 22:11:08 <douglasmacarthur> *my Internet is being weird so that
