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I was talking with a friend and considering troll boobs once more, and I think I found an angle that i just straight up love.
Eusocial insects have second, social stomachs which they use to give excess food to the homies a la kirby and his helpers in Super Star. What if troll breasts served a similar purpose!
Trolls have always had a wierd little thing where we dont know why theyd be sexually dymorphic sense we seem to know that, at least with our established communal canon and all that, theyre all functionally identical on an actual sex level. With humans our modern conception of gender grew out of social norms for our sexes, so what do we even call assigned gender at hatching when it comes to trolls? in humans the gender is assigned based on sex, or just whimsy if the kid iss intersex because fuck this stupid planet. So whats up with trolls, why do some have boobs. If its just a random difference thing, like how some people have cleft chins, then why would people care so much as to have similar misogynistic tendencies on planets like Beforus as we see with Latula? That seems to suggest its something more influential than just 'some people have bigger noses' style stuff.
From a biologists point of view, using modern albeit flawed terminology, the 'female' (read: bearer, or queen) of the troll species is the mother grub, and the trolls are 'male,' (read: donor, drone) ironically if Drones are part of the troll species which i personally love as part of my canon, they would be workers, using ant and bee (and probably termite) terminology, not drones.
This is interesting because drones(real world term) are typically produced through unfertilized eggs which is DEFINITELY not the case for trolls. Though, considering how rare mothergrub turnover seems to be a Rare emergency event, the Matriorb seems to be an unfertilized egg which produces a new mothergrub, and everything else about trolls themselves, id just chalk that up to them being aliens, nothing on our planet will be a perfect analog to them, its convergent evolution, not relationary evolution.
Trolls seem to have this set up in what the real world terminology would consider castes. the greater troll species would have these castes
Queen Mothergrub (comes to be after virgin mothergrub does... Something???? accepts her first bucket perhaps?)
Virgin Mothergrub (Hatched through Matriorb, unfertilized parthenogenesis)*
Drones (unfertilized, lain by Queen mothergrub)
Trolls (fertilized through pails)
His Tyranny (who fucking knows, royal jelly but for drones???)
Through this model the greater troll species would, genetically, be very stable. each generation of mothergrub allows for the only chance of natural selection and all that shit, but the Troll caste would be able to go through tons of generations per generation, like a second, smaller evolution inside your evolution. The only restraint on troll evolution would be remaining genetically compatable with the mother grub, [ assuming im even correct about that being sex, maybe the mother grub is a host for trolls who are parasites, but thats for a post on Wierder trolls. ]
I propose that troll gender is based off of morphs. adding a caste in there for Trolls (c) and Trolls (b). Like major ants or warrior termites, aproximately half of all trolls, though the ratio is skewed towards B due to some caste shenanigans, are C, and the rest are B. Cs are assigned male at... probably pupation, and Bs female.
I propose that troll breasts are a form of social nutrient sharing glands, somewhere between the milk crop of a pigeon, the mammaries of a mammal, and of course, the social stomachs of ants and bees (and maybe termites). I propose that they evolved as a way to share nutrients, and evolved out in Troll(C)s perhaps as a form of evolutionary specialization, think honey pot ants.
This would give a reason for why trolls have gender rolls corresponding with having breasts, it explains why they have misogyny— It Allows For Hormonal Transgender (Transmorph?) Therapies, it explains WHY THEY HAVE BOOBS AT ALL. ALL WHILE FITTING THE THEME.
Misogyny in trolls having the same theming as in humans make sense too, because concepts of nurturing coresponding with having a built in mechanism for nutrient sharing is. just what we have!!! It would give an evolutionary reason for why jades are seemingly either all type B, or just MOSTLY. And that part specifically, Jades being primarily type B trolls, would allow for the all the childhood related idiosyncrasies we humans have around breasts to translate to trolls too! It would explain what exactly the fuck trans trolls are doing, and it would give greater understanding to intersex (intermorph??) trolls!!!!!!
This raises a lot of interesting questions about the notions of... well breastfeeding in troll society. I imagine it would be something mildly taboo, as most of alternian and beforan culture is heavily western and we fuckers are so fucking wierd about peoples bodily autonomy. But it could also be like a Homies thing. I imagine it would be kind of viewed as mildly animalistic or base, probably never said like that, but thats the quiet part im saying out loud.
If you guys have thoughts on eusocial troll breasts and their agabs (agaps?) being based on morphs let me know, i think this is my new canon for all my trolls.
A mothergrub for chapter Seven of The Before Times
I’d adopt so many troll grubs if they were real
Intrusive troll biology with Paclus Sacrin
SS: No quarrieS=S were S=Submitted to me S=So im going to go ahead and continue on the path of bridging our S=Species together through the S=Spirit of mutual realization that our biology is diS=Sgusting!
SS: today we are going to diS=ScuS=S=S Trollian Reproduction!
SS: now to S=Start, im going to S=Say S=Something. You are going to feel the urge to revert to a nearly decade old verS=Sion of yourS=Self.PleaS=Se attempt to avoid that! or don't! im not nearly checked in enough to be worried about it!
SS: now moS=St of you are already acquainted with the bucket thing, trollS=S of each quadrentS=S fill up a bucket with reproductive material before they are S=Slated to be drafted, S=Said materium is brought to the mother grub, then S=Some form of magic happenS=S and boom! baby trollS=S in copiouS=S amountS=S of egg S=Slime!
SS: now before we S=Start up on the S=SuppoS=Sed magic, we S=Should attempt to underS=Stand the concept of a common anceS=Stor, not the mythological AnceS=Stor, but infact the the TrollittoS=Sphex BurmenS=SiS=S!
SS: notably the oldeS=St S=SpecieS=S of troll at the croS=S=S S=Section of a convergent evolution line between S=Some beeS=S and beetleS=S that were Very inveS=Sted in each other. creating a uniquely fucked up race of hyper violent pS=SychoS=S~! with that we have a more deS=Scribable and leS=S=S alien way for you, a normal human with way to much intereS=St in alien bodieS=S a in to underS=Stand S=Said alien bodieS=S!
SS: gaining traitS=S from both beetleS=S and beeS=S, you would aS=S=Sume it would be a fucked up croS=S=S S=Section but thankfully itS=S almost full on bee! ancient trollS=S were divided in worker and S=Soldier trollS=S, thiS=S diS=Stinction becomeS=S more pronounced aS=S trollS=S gained more S=Sentience, efficiency and more intereS=St in understand themselveS=S.
SS:the SoldierS=S unfortunately never managed to gain S=Such speedy S=Sentience, relying S=Still on the pheromone baS=Sed orderS=S of the mothergrub. who at thiS=S point had a worker troll harem, which iS=S why the mother grub haS=S the face of a troll but no other featureS=S that resemble a troll. that genetic material is processed the natural way and boom, eggS=S and egg S=Slime! just... copiouS=S amounts of S=Slime...
SS: S=Sorry, i worked a few S=SweepS=S at a brood cave as a egg S=Slime S=Sweeper and it waS=S horrible and one of the few timeS=S i actually felt groS=S=Sed out. I got over it of courS=Se but getting over it and being fine with the egg S=Slime are two different thingS=S in my profeS=S=Sional opinionS=S
SS: anywayS=S at S=Some point in troll culture the acceptability of fucking a maS=Sive troll faced bug started to plummet! from what I can S=See the hacking of pheromone S=Signals of the S=SoldierS=S was aS=Stoundingly eaS=Sy for early troll S=SocietieS=S, and with that the ability to preform artificial inS=Semination on the mothergrub with collected genetic material(aka, the bucket). the “Natural” proceS=S=S of reproduction was leS=S=S about the need to create more trollS=S but something more akin to how you humans S=See S=Sex, S=Something for both pleaS=Sure and S=Solidifying relationS=ShipS=S and a way to feel aS=Stoundingly weird and awkward about becauS=Se you don't know how it workS=S and everyone haS=S an opinion on where and how you S=Should learn it! then it was hijacked by a pS=Sychotic faS=SciS=St regime that waS=S blown apart by meteorS=S summoned by weird angS=Sty teen godS=S but now where back to the pS=Seudo normal S=Sin againS=St nature verS=Sion minuS=S faS=SciS=St control.
SS: well that'S=S all from me for now, pleaS=Se! feel free to aS=Sk me anything you happen to have questionS=S on in termS=S of Biology, ChemiS=Stry or Alchemy! oh if you need baking tipS=S i can help with that aS=S well!
'all trolls are related because they all come from the mother grub' only kind of true. the inspiration for one reproducing female comes from species like wasps, bees and ants whose males inherit only 1 copy of each chromosome directly from the mother while females inherit 2, one from mother, one from the father. which makes the females more closely related to their sisters than their offspring. also in these colonies, all helpers are sterile meaning jadebloods are likely not just forbidden from breeding but couldnt even if they wanted to.
I thinked about Mothergrubs and their life cycle recently, so here some sketches)