#orv knw

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Me, trying to explain the divergence between Kim Namwoon and Kim Dokja to my friend: It’s like KNW grew up in a world with Tumblr and Discord which also introduced him to Homestuck while KDJ just got cyberbullied on MySpace-

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more orv as posts because i am not okay

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Discrepancy #28.5

Kim Namwoon is STILL brutal as shit.

In the Webtoon, he’s just slapping the old lady, evidenced by the way Myungoh grabs Namwoon’s hand.

[ORV Webtoon, Episode 4]

Namwoon’s hand is open which shows that he was only slapping her.

In the novel, his slaps change to punches.

[ORV Novel, Chapter 5]

Also, the grandmother is calling out for someone to save her, which she isn’t in the Webtoon.

That’s a horrifying image. Imagine you’re in a life or death situation and you’re watching this teenage beat the shit out of this old woman and she’s calling out for help.

The image of the old woman has to stick with Dokja enough for him to recognize her when Persephone transforms into her in the Underworld. That would be brutal.

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day 26

The Delusional Demon Kim Namwoon reflecting was as impossible as Yoo Joonghyuk becoming a girl.

[icarussol74]

Spoilers for Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint’s epilogues below.

Ok so I finally (after getting distracted way too many times) finished my first read through of ORV a few days ago and as expected I can’t stop thinking about it. Of course the loops and KDJ’s fate are constantly on my mind, but there’s one thing that won’t stop bugging me. We don’t know the fate of Kim Namwoon in the 1865th turn. I know he’s not the biggest character (and three versions of him technically got happy endings) however, we even know the fates of Gong Pildu and Han Myeongoh. So while I absolutely love the epilogues it bugged me that there wasn’t even a single sentence about KNW. And since KNW was a major foil/parallel for KDJ I think it would’ve been really cool if 1865 KNW was helping try to save KDJ. Like for a media analysis standpoint it’d be the darkest reflection of KDJ trying to save what got left behind/the part of himself he hated/what made KDJ just like KNW.

Considering that the goal of the 1865th turn, aside from trying to save KDJ, was to save as many people as possible I really wanted to know what happened to KNW. I feel like it would’ve been extremely unlikely for them to decide he has to die while planning the group regression because both HSY and YSA knew KDJ regretted killing him. On top of this, YJH always tried to save KNW even when KNW betrayed him in various world-lines. I attribute this to KDJ telling 0 turn YJH that no one is born evil and encouraging him to lead KNW down a good path. Plus, even without all of those factors, if YSA started in the subway car again she’s the kind of person who would try to save as many people with the frog spawn plan. By the way, the hiding frog spawn all over Seoul to break the first scenario was hilarious.

So with all that being said, I feel like it’s extremely unlikely for KNW to die (at least in the first scenario). And I cannot be convinced that that silly little emo edgelord was not one of the teens that got really into the apocalypse craze and started catching a ton of frogs. By that logic YSA would’ve been able to save the Granny without killing KNW. Honestly he’d probably hero worship YSA just like he did for YJH. Another thing is that HSY literally refuses to have ABFD as her sponsor which I know is because her plan was to become a constellation, but that gives ABFD plenty of room to sponsor and get attached to 1865 KNW.

So basically, I feel like 1865 KNW would’ve survived all the way through the final scenario and would have gotten hella attached to Kim Dokja’s Company. Like sure he would’ve been a little asshole at the beginning of the scenarios but there’s no way YJH, HSY, and YSA wouldn’t have been able to guide him while completing scenarios at a breakneck speed. Then that brings me to if he survived, why would KNW stayed in the 1865th worldline? He would’ve gotten hella attached to all the characters from the 1864th turn and if he learned about regressors and how KDJ killed the 1864th him he would’ve probably wanted to meet the man who killed a version of him. Plus, through the various versions of KNW we’re shown throughout the novel, it’s heavily implied that he was depressed, suicidal, and had a terrible family life before the scenarios. So I’m not sure if there’s much of an argument for the idea that he just wouldn’t have boarded the ark and stayed behind in the 1865th turn.

I don’t know, maybe I’m misreading some of his characterization and reading too much into him not being mentioned in the epilogues. Unfortunately, that little fucking edgelord will not leave my head (probably because I can relate to him having dealt with mental illness). Idk, I just feel like a foil as important as him could’ve been mentioned in the epilogue whether it’s a short line mentioning they decided to kill him so he can drive the Gundam again or that he was ABFD’s incarnation again in the 1865th turn.

I mean maybe my sister’s headcanon is right and he really annoyed HSY so she decided to not acknowledge him in the epilogue (since like we’re technically arguably reading HSY’s writing). I think it’d be really funny if he’s just following Kim Dokja Company members around like a lost puppy and crushing on LJH like all other worldlines. I also think his relationship to LGY and SYS could be really funny because he’d treat them like little siblings and they’d hate it because they’re more powerful than him and claim to be around his age because of regression time shenanigans. What are other people’s headcanons for 1865’s KNW? Am I wrong that he’d survive or would he follow Kim Dokja Company because of how badass they all are (especially YJH and JHW)?

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Thoughts after rereading ch 5 of orv

When kdj is reading that only two survived in the train car 3807:

Lhs still kinda had that shock and sense of morality (although troubled) in the beginning. I don’t think the situation would’ve set in and he would be frozen for a bit until he had to do it.

But knw? Knw would rampage. We know he would. Later on when we see the other version of him (or amalgamation of versions of him?) kdj is able to attack his psyche by bringing up the slaughter at the beginning. From what I can remember his mind was in a chaotic state from that demonized skill back then and it was a massacre.

It was his original sin.

Just in terms of his soul it’s heartbreaking. How many times had knw massacred the train car throughout yjh’s regressions? How many times was lhs unable to stop him? How many times did he hide it behind his chuuni attitude, suffering on his own? Kdj’s knw is different than the one from twsa because he was killed before he could finish the first scenario and knw was happier as a result. He likes the underworld.

In a way kdj also saved him. It’s ironic because in my first read through when knw was begging for his life I felt bad for him. He is a kid after all (not that that excuses how he was abusing the old lady). But still, I’m pretty soft hearted so I often wondered if it would’ve been better if kdj stopped him, took him under his wing like the others, and rehabilitated him. Raised him. Maybe not the same way he did for sys and lgy but like he did ljh (I’m of the mind that ljh is also like his kid. He didn’t spend as much time with her and she’s older so the affection is more cracking jokes than wanting hugs, but he loves her all the same).

I wished that we got to know him as part of kdjc. But it’s better this way. Of the og twsa group he’s the most well off. Everyone else is left haunted by kdj’s absence and of not being able to save him. By comparison our knw had more lighthearted interactions.

Maybe I’m wrong about this and knw is also gutted by kdj’s absence. I’m rereading for a reason. I know I missed things.

[new-worlds-dream]

Every so often I think about how Mr. 40,000 year crush over here must thus be a romantic at heart and feel my brain break a little bit by putting that in the same context as ‘Kim Namwoon.’

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As much as I think that 1865!KNW probably got a [Bad End] by being removed from the narrative, I hope he didn’t. I hope one day Lee Hyunsung meets a young man in the military named Kim Namwoon and remembers a Monarch who once helped him and his friends, remembers the occasional comment or story shared by one of YooHanKim about a teenager he only briefly and bitterly met. I hope he sees echoes of Kim Dokja and Lee Gilyoung and Han Sooyoung in this young man and takes him under his wing. Introduces him to the others. I hope he gets a kinder role in the narrative he wanted to be part of so badly.