#pack theory

[novathesheltie]

re: the debunking of pack theory: could you give a little TLDR about what makes it false? I'm currently introducing a new dog to my home with four others, and I've been doing tons of research and have reached out to trainers and behaviorists in the mean time. They all put a lot of emphasis on 'pack dynamics' when talking about how to acclimate my dogs together, and I haven't found any contrary info ):

Pack theory/dominance theory/alpha theory all comes from a study done by Schenkel in 1947 who researched captive wolves. David Mech spread that idea in the 70s, confirming Schenkel's idea of a hierarchal dynamic in wolves. He debunked his own research in the late 90s after studying wild wolves for 15/20 years. Why was Schenkel's research wrong? Bc he studied captive wolves who did not belong to the same family and/or came from the same location. These differences created a completely different dynamic than what you would see in wild wolves. So his research was...bogus. It's like studying migration patterns on captive elephants/birds. You're going to get...nothing that is representative of their wild counterparts. David Mech's later research found that wolf packs are made up of a mating pair with their offspring. There isn't a strong, fierce, dominant "alpha" but rather parents teaching their pups the way of life. If an animal is pushed out of the group, it isn't bc one is trying to fight the "alpha", it's simply nature's way of ensuring genes are spread around and mixed, it's simple dispersal patterns. Totally normal for wildlife.

For some reason, this pack theory was very attractive to dog trainers. And because not everyone studies wildlife, they look at the wolf and point back at their dog and say "same thing!" So dog trainers apply this pack theory to dogs-not only is it a theory based on bogus research, but they're also applying it on a completely different species. Dogs and wolves share a common ancestor, sure, they're similar in lots of ways, of course. But it's like saying the Stripped Hyena, a pretty solitary animal only living in pairs and such, behaves exactly like the Spotted Hyena, an animal that lives in a very complex hierarchal system. It's kind of short sighted (and wrong!). So even IF pack theory existed in wolves, it's wrong to assume dogs would behave the same.

Research even shows that feral dogs don't live in packs or in family groupings. Their dynamics is much more fluid, and much more solitary.

At this point, after ample amount of research debunking wolf pack theory + if you sprinkle in some critical thinking, there is no reason to continue to spread and use this theory on dogs. There aren't "dominant" dogs, but rather assertive, more confidant dogs. If you looked at Koa & Nova and tried to find the dominant one, this would change depending on the situation. You throw a ball in the yard, Nova will let Koa grab the ball even though he wanted it too. So Koa is dominant? Now switch the ball with a piece of steak. Nova will get that steak and Koa won't work that hard for it. So Nova is dominant? No, it's just a question of who wants the thing more, who is more assertive in a situation, who is more confidant to do xyz. Koa wants ball, Nova wants steak.

Alpha/pack/dominance theory is bogus and honestly I think it appeals to people who want some sort of power over something.

[why-animals-do-the-thing]

Puppy humping and jumping and biting and growling, but it seems different from his usual playing? Dad says hes trying to dominate? Is this an actual thing? Hes a 10/11 week old german shepherd/ bull mastiff and I'm mainly used to cats, so I'm still getting used to dog behaviour

Dominance theory as people think about it in dogs has been thoroughly disproved; unfortunately, because of the popularity of dominance-based TV “training” shows, that information has been slow to trickle down into the general awareness. 

What you’ve described, as written, sounds like pretty normal overstimulated puppy behavior. He’s at an age where he’s just going to be learning skills like self control and bite inhibition, growling is simply communication (although if it’s not growling in /play/ - like while tugging a toy - it absolutely needs to be listened to as him trying to appropriately establish a boundary). None of those are signs of dominance: you’ve just got a baby, being a normal baby and communicating the best he can. 

I’d suggest checking out some books on dog behavior to help your family understand him a little better: I’d start with “The Other End of the Leash” by Patricia McConnell and “Don’t Shoot the Dog” by Karen Pryor. They’re both easy to read, but will help you learn to interpret his behavior better and help your father look at him through a different lens that’s not dominance-based. 

[folkdogs]

A good blog post on dominance. It features this brilliant quote from John Bradshaw: “Both for their own safety and to be acceptable to society, companion dogs need to be kept under control, but that can be achieved by reward-based training, without reference to their position in some illusory “hierarchy”.”

[thepoodlepack]

kjvoth said: Also, dogs by nature will go after the weaker one in the pack. So you would be trying to train against their nature. Where a service dog’s task are trained in allignment with their nature. Just a thought

kjvoth said: I don’t agree, based on my own observations. But to each their own

@kjvoth. False. To each, science.

You see, this is not something that’s up for debate because science has told us what is what, not some arbitrary observations from an unqualified person. Pack theory has forever been something based on wolves, not dogs, and even then it is false.

Wolf packs in the wild are families made up of an adult male, and adult female, and any pups they may have. When those pups grow up, they leave the pack, most likely to go make their own (in principle). As the parents would like their pups to grow up strong,they do not go after the weaker one of their children.

The idea that wolf packs are made up of wolves constantly fighting for dominance and picking off weaker members of the pack comes from a 1947 study based on unrelated captive wolves, which happens to now be completely debunked.

It was also erroneously applied to domesticated dogs, which is quite frankly ridiculous, seeing dogs have been separating from their shared ancestor with wolves for around 30,000 years.

Furthermore, there has been evidence put forward that feral dogs don’t form packs, but friendly groups without any strict hierarchies, or in fact wander alone.

[powermetalhag]

Do you really need to be the ‘Pack Leader’ to your dogs?

First of all, that is impossible, since your dogs know perfectly well that you are not, in fact, a dog. But even if you were, the whole concept of ‘pack leadership’ in domestic dogs as it is commonly understood has long been dismissed by trainers, veterinarians, veterinary behaviorists and modern behavioral science.

Do we need to provide leadership and guidance for our dogs? Of course.

Do we need to force them to be 'submissive’ to us and view us as a 'dominant’ figure in their lives to suppress their supposed natural instinct to take over our relationships, our households and our world? No.

The History of Pack Theory The dangerous but common misunderstanding about the concept of dominance and pack theory in the dog world is based in large part on research collected from studies performed on a pack of unrelated, captive wolves in the 1970s. The results of these early studies suggested that there was a rigid hierarchy in which 'alphas’ (leaders) had priority access to resources, forcefully maintaining the group structure through displays of aggression to others.

Because dogs were believed to have descended from wolves, it was then assumed that similar social groupings and violent 'pack’ dynamics must therefore exist among domestic dogs as well. What is more, the formation of these dog packs was supposedly based on the desire or drive of certain dogs to be the alpha or top dog of the group, and the resulting hierarchy was based on competitive success.

This theory became so popular that despite the obvious (and very important) fact that dogs and wolves are separated by thousands of years of evolution and that dogs and humans are completely different species, the concept was attributed to explain not only the social interactions between dogs, but also between people and dogs and how dogs should be trained.

But dogs are not wolves, and even if they were, those captive wolf studies have since been renounced by the very scientists who performed them and drew their original conclusions.

What is a True 'Pack’? More recent scientific research has concluded that in the wild a true natural pack is actually composed of a mother and father and their offspring. This pack survives rather like a human family, in which the parents take the leadership roles and the children follow. In a natural pack, harmony is created because deference behaviors are offered freely by the younger wolves rather than being forced onto them by their parents.

The original study’s results were also skewed by the observation of subjects that were under severe stress because they were forced to live as captives with other unrelated wolves in an unnatural environment, unable to behave as they normally would in a natural familial pack.

The researchers mistakenly used their own human interpretations to conclude that the wolves were constantly driven by a desire to seek status over one another. Trouble is, no one really questioned at that point whether wolves really understood or shared our human concept of seeking status as a 'rank reduction’ process.

It is more likely that for these captive wolves, the issue of rank was actually driven by something far simpler: the need for safety, survival and reproductive success. Was it safe to gain access to a particular resource from another wolf or not? Acquiring a resource safely would ensure survival, so although some wolves figured out how to hold onto their resources by challenging others and defending themselves, other wolves learned to ensure their survival by showing deference.

Mech’s researchers were observing a dysfunctional group of wolves that were using threat and deference displays in order to seek safety and survive within their unnatural captive group. This was not a true pack which functions on deference displays rather than violence.

Unfortunately, these truths regarding the concepts of dominance, submission, and rank hierarchy have only recently been accurately understood. Because the results of those early behavioral studies were misinterpreted and important aspects of dominance misunderstood, dog trainers began assuming that these supposed facts about captive wolf behavior could be neatly transferred into a box labeled 'dog behavior.’

Bottom Line The concept of 'pack theory’ as it is commonly understood by many today is fundamentally flawed for several key reasons:

Dogs are not wolves, and we cannot assume that they act similarly to each other Even the results from the studies of wolves have since been disproven by the very scientists who conducted them 'Packs’ in the true sense of the word do not exist among groups of unrelated domestic dogs. True familial pack is mother, father and offspring and functions non-violently with submission being freely given rather than forced. Dogs know we are not dogs, so it is silly for us to pretend like we are one of them by being their ‘pack leader.’

Should we be leaders and help guide our dogs to make the right choices as much as possible? Absolutely!

Is it even possible for us to pretend that we are 'pack leaders?’ No. We are not dogs and therefore cannot be part of a dog pack, captive or otherwise and we should no longer treat dogs with violence like the captive wolves did to each other in those long ago studies. If we want to be true leaders, we must lead non-violently without domination or intimidation, regardless of dog breed, drive or behavior issue.

From positively.com

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