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Entrevista de La Caja del Rock a la banda Prima Nocte con motivo del lanzamiento de su segundo disco de larga duración titulado "Oniric"
Entrevista de La Caja del Rock a la banda Prima Nocte con motivo del lanzamiento de su segundo disco titulado “Oniric”
Hey guys, just a heads up that I won’t be publishing anymore Prima Nocte type of asks/posts in relation to Tony and AoU. I encourage debates and healthy discussion about the issues, but to be honest I can totally see this going south really quick (based on some comments I’ve received and will not be making public) and I want to keep things here a nice place that is relatively drama free. Also for my own sanity as a blog runner.
Thank you for understanding and also thank you for everyone’s views, comments, and input. :)
Commenting on the Prima Nocte debate that seems to have begun: I saw the comment as Tony joking about Thor unleashing a bad leader. He's putting off an air of confidence about how he can definitely lift the hammer, and then Thor jokingly agrees to let him rule Asgard if he does. I think it was a statement of "See what you've done, Thor? When I lift this hammer I'm going to be a firmly cruel leader who reinstitutes Prima Nocte. All because you didn't think I could lift it. For shame, Thor."
Thank you, anon, this is exactly what I think as well. I believe it was just something Tony was throwing out there to joke with Thor about. Because you know if Tony were able to lift the hammer when Thor didn’t believe he could, Tony would never let him live it down. Friends and teammates often take the piss out of each other and say sarcastic and stupid stuff.
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Thank you to the anon who sent in the info about Prima Nocte and in regards to Tony. :)
If anyone wants to read up more on the subject you can visit some of these links:
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(1/2) I have seen people insulting Tony because of the “Prima Nocte” comment. And if people are going to complain, better do it well informed. “Prima Nocte” never existed. Not outside mythology, there are not legal documents to back it up. I thought this was common knowledge, but apparently it isn’t, so here: The main reason it is believed to be true is Hollywood; particularly, Braveheart.
(2/3) It is true that assaults happened, probably even in the wedding night, but there wasn’t a law that made it legal. Knowing that, when I first saw the comment, I thought it was a film reference. In addition to that, Tony said “I’ll be firmly cruel”. He put together a FICTIONAL law that enforces assault next to words that would fit a villain, making it all fine sarcasm, edging between respectful and an irritating asshole, with more layers than expected, and a hundred percent Stark.
(3/3) His comment does not mock survivors, he is not promoting it, and he is not linking the practice to the speech of a hero. He is playing the part of a stereotypical villain in his own joke. The comment is intended as the opposite of a misogynistic jab. (To use if someone is trying to bring down this half of our OTP with a stupid argument)
Okay so regarding the “prima nocte” thing Tony cracks in AoU… I have to admit it was a huge WTF? moment for me the first time I heard it, and my gut reaction was just Tony, no, that’s horrible! And I think I’m not at all alone thinking he would never do anything like that. It’s a (kind of nasty) joke and that’s it.
But then I started thinking that every joke is based in some kind of truth…
(And the rest of my thoughts on this will be pretty spoilery so keep away from the cut if you don’t want any of that.)
I think this joke was too. Not because I think that Tony actually would do that, though. Of course he wouldn’t! I mean it would be basically institiuting a law that gives him personal freedom to rape people. We can all agree he wouldn’t, right?
But what if he doesn’t agree? What if he thinks, somewhere deep inside, that he could be capable of doing something that? What if he thinks that he is that kind of person?
Scarlet Witch tells Steve that Tony would do anything to set things right, and that he doesn’t know the difference between saving the world and destroying it. I think she is at least partially right. As Tony himself tells Banner, he sees himself as a monster. He desperately wants to save the world and he feels like it’s still all falling through his fingers, no matter how good his intentions. (”The end of the path I started us on.”)
So yes, I still think prima nocte is a joke - but I also think it says something about Tony’s view of himself in this story.
Or I’m just reading too much into it…
(Gonna tag arvensis5 just because we talked about it earlier.)
