#pro chantry

[bunabi]

i feel like wynne needs to be added to that mix somehow

All three of them would dislike Wynne lmao

I guess they do share some common ground after all

Maybe world peace is possible :^)

[miss-nerd-alert]

One major theme in Dragon Age is the fallibility of authority and its consequences

The Chantry, The Circle, and the Templar Order were all founded with the intent and purpose of helping people.

The Chantry was created to spread Andraste’s teachings on magic and slavery; it becomes corrupt because its leaders are people, just as susceptible to sin and stupidity as anyone else. It became not just a religious institution, but a political one, which led to some within the Chantry using it to further their own agenda and gain power.

The Circle was created to provide mages with a safe and stable environment to learn magic and avoid demonic possession, while also protecting common people from abominations and unstable magic. When the Chantry’s wariness of magic turned to outright fear, the Circle went from being Hogwarts to being Alcatraz, mages were feared and abused, and magic that could have helped so many was squandered.

The Templar Order was created to provide Circles with skilled crisis response in the event of demonic possession, to defend civilians from mages who would abuse their powers, and to defend mages from hostile civilians and armies who fear magic. Thanks to the Chantry’s anti-mage stigma, Templars were taught to mistrust all magic, are leashed to the Chantry thanks to lyrium consumption, and can be taken advantage of by superior officers (as shown by Meredith and Champions of the Just) because they’re trained from a young age to follow orders without question.

All three suffer from the corruption of the higher ups, who play the system for personal gain, which leads to followers, genuine believers of the ideals, and innocent bystanders getting taken advantage of and abused.

[crystalbull]

Reminder that Cassandra says she wants to let mages govern themselves with aid. Reminder that she wants to make the Templars protectors of the innocent, human or not, instead of what they had become. Reminder that Cassandra has seen the ills of both sides and she wants to make them better. She's the perfect compromise of the Divine canidates we got. She wants to make the Chantry more open to all and she wants the mages to have a level of control in their lives. She doesn't want to let everyone run loose, but she doesn't want to impose strict and harsh rules that continue to oppress and harm. Cassandra is pro-Templar, but she believes in their foundation, to protect all from dangerous magics and demons, including mages. She is pro-Chantry, but she's got enough sense to question and criticize her own side. She wants to make the Chantry into a thing that helps and aids and cares about the people. She doesn't like that it focuses it's attention onto making gowns for the Divine and using it's power as a bludgeon. Cassandra is a wonderful person and she's got ideals I can certainly get behind.

[pastelbeau]

Same anon who was asking about Sebastian! Thanks for your answer :D In regards to DA characters, the reason I usually don't like them is because if I knew them IRL, I also wouldn't like them. Sebastian is one of those. The way he speaks to Fenris comes across to me as manipulative as well. Also his insistence that you murder Anders who is your friend or he'll come after both of you with an army is a bit... Anyway, so pro-chantry + pro-templar, why's that?

*nodnod* You’re welcome.

I do enjoy talking about my Choirboy Husband~

I viewed his conversations with Fenris as more of a person talking from experience, that when he was going through a time in his life when he was struggling - the Chantry helped him and set him on the right path. I think it was more one friend giving advice to the other, hoping it would help him as well.

I also view the whole Anders thing as a heat of the moment scenario. Like I fervently believe Sebastian is NOT going to do that, he is not going to start a war with Kirkwall, he is not going to come after Hawke. He is going to go back to Starkhaven and calm down & have more important things to do than chase after one or two people. Yes, forcing Hawke to choose like that was pretty sucky, but at the same time - I would want the guy who killed my mother figure + my home + probably a lot of people I knew, dead as well.

I will link you my reasons for being Pro-Chantry and Pro-Templar since it is literally 7am and I haven’t slept so I don’t think I could go into another long winded explanation (I apologize uwu) 

[pastelbeau]

out of pure curiosity do u mind detailing why you're pro-templar/chantry? just wondering!

Please bear with me.

Its like … super early in the morning & I haven’t slept so I may go back and edit this if I wake up later and realize it sounds like gibberish.

I am Pro-Templar because I believe that the Order is not evil. The Circles are needed (they should be changed, but still) & subsequently that means the Templars are still needed.

As long as there are Mages there probably will always be a need for a group (however big or small) of people who are skilled with dispelling magic because it’s much easier to fight someone when they aren’t throwing fire balls at your face.

I am Pro-Chantry in the sense that I do not hate nor am I against the religious organization - I may not always agree with its views of the views of its followers, but I also don’t want to see it torn down.

*long sigh* And no, before anyone says anything - this does not mean that I hate Mages & that I want all Mages to be locked away like monsters. It also does not mean that I am an asshole towards people who are Pro-Mage, I respect everyone’s opinion no matter how different it is from my own (is it obvious that I’ve given this speech a bazillion times?)

One day I promise I will make a meta for all of this but that day is not today, but please don’t be afraid to ask me any other questions concerning this topic - when I am actually not drunk off of lack of sleep I really enjoy civil debates about Mages vs. Templars.