#pro elves

[mywitchcultblr]

Trevelyan when he finally saw slavery in tevinter

And when he saw a human mage or elven mage collared and chained by qunari

[nirvana-war-queen]

The only right divine is Leliana

I don’t make the rule they just are

[ihatethechantry]

You do realise it's a widely known fact that Dalish clans vastly differ since Origins. The clan in the Masked Empire were a bunch of wankers, but what about the Sabrae clan who accepted in Pol (a city elf), are willing to trade with humans settlements, and a bunch of other things that clan talk slack about them doing. The elves were immortal (in a sense) that's been confirmed by the Dread Wolf himself! Humans have been acting as the aggressors for as long as they can remember! Which isn't a lot since most of their culturally identity was destroyed by time they were freed from slavery. They are working on fragments, and romanticize the past like everyone does! Look at the real life civilisations have been romanticized for christ's sack! --90.219.216.14 (talk) 21:22, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:The_elves_own_fault

[ihatethechantry]

[ihatethechantry]

So, it's no secret to anyone who has played a few DA games or read some of the background that DA is human focused and centric, all the characters of great importance tend to be human, and so on. It's equally known that the story of Elves in DA is one of kind of destruction and mutilation, as well as hatred that continues up to and including the parts of the main DA series. I don't know, it just makes me feel weird now thinking about DA games, thinking that I'm helping the likes of the Arls or people of Denerim and all these  people who are fundamentally it seems guilty of terrible crimes of violence and hatred fueled mistreatment. I said are/were because the reality on the ground sort of changes and isn't always the same, but fundamentally, why does DA as a whole embrace such an anti-elf concept, and why is it expected that the players generally support the notion of Humans first, or that this is an acceptable status quo? From what I've seen, there is literally no justification for the treatment of the Elves in DA, it's a case of pure envy, hatred, and all kinds of other things that is a pretty heavy blight on the lore, to be honest. It seems to encourage the notion that you should hate people just because of their history or origin, as well as the notion that so long as you can keep someone down, you are justified in doing so, messages I don't think DA (or any franchise) should be promoting. I also found it very strange that the Elves were supposedly inspired by ghettos in Medieval times, Elves, like all Elves, were clearly on some level inspired by Tolkiens' Elves in LOTR.

Seraphim24 https://fextralife.com/forums/p3140117/why-arewere-elves-treated-so-terribly/

[ihatethechantry]

I'm not sure I agree with the overall premise. Given the majority of the population in Thedas is Andrastian/Imperial Chantry, of course that's going to colour the perception of other religions, as it always does with the faithful, particularly in a society where religion plays a prominent role. I would still argue that the Dalish are portrayed appropriately for a society which has been relegated to the fringes of existence and their prejudices and anger when it comes up are the logical product of existing in an unreasonable situation. The part I really wanted to discuss is how Bioware have allegedly "invalidated" the other religions of Thedas. I really don't understand this part. Take the Avvar deities, they're only powerful spirtis but the Avvar knew that to begin with. They're immortal, they have worshippers, they bestow boons on the faithful who follow their code. It all sure sounds like a God for all intents and purposes. The Elven religion plays the same role in their society as the maker does in human society. In both of these cases, the Gods which are worshiped were never claimed to have created the world to begin with, they both just lead or guide their respective civilizations, which is all true. You can make a compelling case that the Maker is the invalid religion, given that the Maker is completely absence while the deities of the other religions do at least exist and intervene and fulfill the role of gods interacting with the mortal realm. Particularly with the Elves, with the gods so long removed from society, their function in dalish society is almost identical to that of the maker in andrastianism, so I don't really see how "invalid" applies.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Why_are_the_Dalish_continually_trashed_in_Dragon_Age%3F

[ihatethechantry]

It's the same thing with the ancient elves. Their culture was far from perfect. Yet their civilization was more advanced than any that came after them. They possessed magic and a culture that would put the whole history of Orlais and the Imperium to shame. I cannot say what the pros for living in the Imperium in its hayday were like, because all we know is how terrible it was and how it treated those it conquered. But look at the ancient dwarven empire. Their underground cities and masterful crafts rivaled any enchantment and spell that could be found in Tevinter. But the dwarven Caste System is rigid and constrictive, demanding everything and ruling every aspect of your life. However, all the Houses within the Castes, feud and conspire with one another, claiming to possess honor while conspiring sabotage behind closed doors. And if for some reason you lose your Caste, or worse, are born without one, you are spat upon by your own people, and subjected to every kind of abuse they can think of. The number one cause of all dwarven homicides is other dwarves. I don't think I even need to explain the flaws of human cultures in Thedas. Their reputation speaks for itself. So, yes, the elves were not perfect, just like everyone else, but none of that diminishes their greatness, nor does it justify how they have been treated for the past few thousands of years.--Mabari-Master (talk) 06:39, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Why_are_the_Dalish_continually_trashed_in_Dragon_Age%3F

[ihatethechantry]

Another point I wish to make is that a lot of people are starting to hate on the elves after what they learned in Trespasser and the Masked Empire. All of them seem to be forgetting that nowhere, in all of history, is any great civilization perfect, but that doesn't diminish their greatness. Look at Rome. Almost every movie in Hollywood likes to portray it as some terrible entity built on slavery and debauchery, when in reality it was the foundation of learning, art, culture, and the bedrock of every Western civilization. Everyone likes to think of the Mongol Empire as one of butchery and savages, and Khans were indeed responsible for more deaths than WWII, and they did horrible things to the people they warred with. However, the Mongols treated every culture and people under their banner like an equal citizen, abolished slavery and torture, and everyone who willingly lived under Mongol law enjoyed the wealth and prosperity they brought on the Silk Road.--Mabari-Master (talk) 06:39, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

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