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CarmenRider And The Art Of Hypothetics

"Come on Ephrom, another post about CarmenRider! Why do you keep making these?"

For views and money of course, and no other reason.

What? I figured since CarmenRider is such a big fan of Just A Robot, I might as well take a joke from one of his videos to explain why I keep making these posts. For those curious, it was a joke I took from this video:

But seriously, I decided to write another post on this situation because there have been some updates that I feel are worth talking about. If you want to know the origin of the situation, I would recommend reading this post before continuing forward:

Oh, CarmenRider

I admit, I had to watch this video a couple of times in order to understand what Septy's crimes are. Best as I can tell, Septy said spur of

If must have been a good post, because Septy shared it on Twitter.

First off, the conversation I had in the comments of the CarmenRider's video continued. Specifically, JustTubeStuff decided to reply to one of my comments and wrote the following

I want to make it very clear that I do believe that Septy crossed a line, but I do not think Septy threatened to dox CarmenRider. All Septy said was that they hypothetically could have--and would have had they been the terrible person Carmen makes them out to be--and the comment flew totally over Carmen's head. Mind you, I don't even blame her considering she never saw the comment, she just saw Redd Gier telling her that Septy threatened to dox her. Again, no screenshot of what Septy said even exists because it was deleted so fast. (As somebody with both anger issues and an anxiety issue, I recognize that as a sign that somebody said something they want to take back or think could easily be taken the wrong way. You can say many things about Septy, but they are not one to double down on bad actions nor badly predict how their words will be heard.)

Still, I would say this is part of the pattern of Carmen mindlessly believing anything about the people she doesn't like, something she has done for so long I even mentioned it in my first post on the subject of her:

A Quick Note On CarmenRider

It should go without saying that I was against Septy flagging Carmen (and Septy has since retracted the strike request)--I believe Carmen's

This post, I should note, was also shared by Septy on Twitter, so take that endorsement as you will:

Meanwhile, Septy uploaded a call with CallMeNil on their channel where the two talked about the situation:

In the video, Septy confirms basically what I assumed since the beginning. In a moment of anger, Septy said they could do something they had no intent of doing and quickly took it bad. Anybody who read my post the day before already figured this out--fuck, I'd argue that anybody who put so much as ten seconds of thought into this situation could have guessed that--but there's something else I want to point. If Carmen and her fans want to play of game of pointing to a hypothetical and using that as evidence that the person wants to do the thing they mentioned--or even that's an issue that Septy even considered this in the first (quite literally accusing them of a thought crime)--then I wish to remind everybody Carmen began her year with this hypothetical:

For those unaware, this is something Carmen said in a conversation with Mushroom Girl after the two had a back and fourth over the YouTuber Sensitive Society. If you want to know more about that, Neko Koda made a video on this topic, which can be viewed here:

Mushroom Girl--who was fourteen at the time--asked Carmen why she liked Lolicon, and Carmen said this.

Carmen tells the full story in this video:

I should also note, as Bummer Patrol pointed out on Twitter, this is an utterly nonsensical excuse:

I should also note, I do not believe that Carmen is a pedophile because of this comment. But somebody could easily come to that conclusion, as many people have. Is Carmen merely thinking about turning a fourteen year old into a "human fleshlight" (which she was somehow going to do over the internet--I should note) an issue on its own? I mean, one could easily make that case, but I would assume that it would more be a case of hyperbolic language as opposed to actual attraction.

I mean, we know some people came to that conclusion because that screenshot was used in a document which specifically called CarmenRider a pedophile because of that and many other comments:

Copy of Copy of The Carmen Doc.

The Carmen Rider Doc TW: Pedophilia, Racism, LGBTQ+ Phobia, Toxic Behavior, and Child Porn Table of Contents Preface/Intr

So is Carmen a pedophile? I don't believe so, but I honestly think it's worth mentioning just how hypocritical Carmen has to be in order to believe that at this point.

[ephrom]

Oh, CarmenRider

I admit, I had to watch this video a couple of times in order to understand what Septy's crimes are. Best as I can tell, Septy said spur of the moment out of anger that they could leak Carmen's full name if they wanted to, which they then quickly took back. In fact, Septy took it back so quickly that we don't even have screenshots of these messages. However, the title of this video says that Septy threatened to do that, which is just wrong.

Or, I guess it's more accurate to say that we don't know if they said that. Septy said in later messages shown in Carmen's video that they just meant they could as revenge, not that they were going to:

Septy also said the same thing to Redd Gier, a moderator in CarmenRider's discord server, after they were informed Gier told Carmen about these messages:

Septy also denied it was a threat for a third time later--and might I remind you all, these are literally just screenshots from Carmen's video:

Carmen calls this an obvious lie based on--well, nothing. She doesn't have the message of Septy saying anything that would lead anybody to believe this is some kind of threat, so how the fuck does she know what Septy really meant? The only messages that might be able to confirm this have since been deleted--and even then, Septy took this back so fast that any chance of this being an actual threat is basically non-existent.

You know, in her call with The Senate, Carmen noted that her opposition was engaging in the same tactics somebody Just A Robot fought with in the past, specifically name dropping Kai Weiss.

In her response to Septy's and Neko's video on the situation, she made it clear that she was doing this because, since SeptyPaws works for Just A Robot, that means that they shouldn't be doing the same thing Kai Weiss did--or something. She also responds to Just A Robot recommending a video from Kai Weiss by saying she was incredibly surprised he'd do such a thing.

Never mind the fact that Just A Robot has never held a mindless vendetta against those he covers. To give just one example, Just A Robot went from making videos on Doodletones, to defending Doodletones against xX Icyhazard Xx, to working with Doodletones in a video on TheNamesJunkie from this year.

But I mention this because this tactic of taking somebody saying they can do something and using it as evidence they want to do something is the same thing done by somebody else Just A Robot battled with, TMossBoss. Specifically, Just A Robot told TMossBoss that he could flag TMossBoss's channel down, and TMossBoss took that as Just A Robot saying he wanted to flag TMossBoss's channel down, or even that he actually planned on doing it.

Anyway, I saw this video--the first one I showed, not the like seven I've embedded since--and was incredibly confused--so I took to the comments and expressed my lack of understanding with this video.

According to Google, Bobby Kotick is the CEO of Activison Blizzard and I have no idea what he has to do with the conversation Carmen and I were having. I seriously mean this, if somebody can please explain to me the connenction--well, send it as a submission or question.

And yes, this is part of Carmen's long history of randomly bringing up people she doesn't like that have nothing to do with the thing she's talking about. If you want to know more about that habit of hers, I pointed it out in this post:

Some More Nails In The CarmenRider Coffin

Once again, I do not agree with SeptyPaws flagging CarmenRider--but this video is just disgusting, and I think it honestly shows the differe

Class Edgelord then joined the conversation:

I did type out a reply, but it appears to haven't been sent so I'l paraphrase it here: What exactly does Class want to do to hold Septy accountable? The best I can tell is that Class wants is either preemptive justice or punishment for what basically amounts to a thought crime. I mean that literally, because both Carmen and Class have said that the issue is that Septy even thought this in the first place--not that they were seriously going to do this.

Also, aren't these the same people who have told us over and over again that thoughts of pedophilia do not turn into child molestation? Why is it that thoughts turn into actions now when it's convenient?

Anyway, after this happened, I did something that it seems like neither Carmen nor Septy did, I actually tried asking Septy what happened. They confirmed to me exactly what I assumed happened, Septy got angry and said something regretful before quickly taking it back:

Septy also notes that they were not on their normal medication at the time, and that greatly impacted their decision making:

Some people might be wondering why I'm dedicating so many words on this topic, and it's because it's such a great microcosm for how Carmen acts. Even when she catches somebody she doesn't like doing something wrong, she decides that she has to hyperbolize it and engage with things in--and I don't like this term personally, but it really does fit--bad faith. And Carmen's fans are perfectly willing to go along with this.

Take this comment by a fellow named BurningSpeed:

That can't be the actual explanation, according to Burning, Septy has to be convincing themself of this. Funny how this is totally unfalsifiable. This is yet another example of why people should never support Carmen, even when she's right she still makes sure that what she said is wrong.