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Why I Cut Off SeptyPaws

Those of you who follow my Twitter know that I cut off SeptyPaws--because I quite literally tweeted that last night.

By the sounds of it, I'm far from the only one. Neko Koda--the person behind #SupportSeptySquad--made a post on TwitLonger regarding her decision to cut Septy off.

TwitLonger is the easy way to post more than 140 characters to Twitter

Meanwhile, a couple of days ago Kumo uploaded a call various people had with Septy--which began with LioConvoy grilling them over a situation I'll go into more detail about in a moment. However, I want to note just how angry and saddened Lio sounds during the call--coming from somebody who has known Lio for half a decade, I can safely say this is the most honestly upset I've ever heard him. To be honest, it actually made me tear up listening to how frustrated somebody who is usually calm and collected even in the face of the worst people was.

Coming from somebody who has known Lio for as long as I have, I know his critics commonly accuse him of being a hothead who goes off on everybody who even slightly wrongs him and will mindlessly scream at anybody who does not agree with whatever they believe. In truth, Lio is one of the most patient and easy to talk to people I have ever come across--it just so happens that the people who levy this accusations against him are not the people who talked to him with an honest conversation in mind. The reality has always been that the only things you need to do if you want to have a pleasant conversation with Lio are not get defensive, not get theatrical, and not lie to him. He is willing to talk basically anything out with the person in question on the condition that you keep your ego at the door and tell him honestly what's going on.

But this post is not about the various slaps Septy has gotten over the past couple of days, nor is it about the fact that he managed to put Lio in an emotional state I've honestly never seen him in before. Instead, I want to talk about what caused me to cut off Septy during this situation--because it's something I really don't feel is talked about enough.

I have two rules when it comes to people I talk to: I do not tolerate dishonesty nor do I tolerate special pleading. In my experience, Septy has engaged in both of these thing multiple times.

Regarding hypocrisy, I want to begin by talking about Septy's recent drawing of CarmenRider being gang raped by Prison Mate Luke and Kai Weiss. The tags for this image on the Rule 34 website include things like "handcuffed," "handcuffs," "non-consensual," "rape," "revenge sex," and "taped mouth."

Now Septy's a NSFW and has used the OCs of other people in the past. For example, at one point Septy made a piece of art of Neko Koda and CarmenRider's character Virgo giving a boob job to CarmenRider's OC. Neko Koda has said she's fine with porn being made of her OC as long as it's not rape porn, and Carmen has said she's fine with porn being made of her OC regardless of what it is, so I don't see an issue with this.

However, the choice to throw two totally random people into this drawing--including one who has basically left the internet because of the backlash they got--just seems uncalled for. Even ignoring my own thoughts on making porn of real people and people's OCs, I personally think the choice to add two people who Carmen has previously gone after--again, one of which was really only guilty of being an opportunistic liar and who basically left commentary all together after being called out--to be fucking terrible. This is especially hypocritical because Septy railed against Carmen using a picture of Neko Koda being raped as a thumbnail for one of her videos--when the picture of Koda, as tasteless and shitty as I thought it was, was both less explicit and didn't have anybody in it other than Koda.

Septy has had two excuses for this:

They were commissioned to make this art.

They made it to get back at Carmen for the thumbnail of Neko Koda being raped.

We'll ignore the fact that these two explanations are totally contradictory--was it made for revenge or to get money?--and instead go through them one by one. If it's the first one, then Lio had already told Septy that they have places to go and people they can talk to if they're ever in exactly this situation. The fact is, "I did it for the money," always an understandable reason for making the art, is not an excuse.

However, I want to break down the second one in a tad more detail because it was honestly the reason I cut Septy off. If Septy really made this piece of art to punish CarmenRider (which, I should note, wouldn't even work because she's made it very clear she is fine with all NSFW artwork of her OCs), then what they engaged in basically amounts to correctional rape through art.

For those unaware, correctional rape is the concept of using rape as a punishment for some crime they admitted--usually stepping out of line in a heavily patriarchal society. For example, a woman who is found to be in a lesbian relationship might be raped as some attempt to "teach her a lesson." It is one of the most evil things a civilization could possibly engage in. Here Septy is bringing back that same concept--and dragging two people into it--against a transgender woman with a girlfriend through art. That is far more tone death than what Carmen did to Neko Koda--which, I want to make it clear, was still terrible in every way.

In general, I've always known Septy to be a bit of a shady character and somebody who appeared to have a bias in their own favor. Outside of some light conversations in Carmen's server, the first real experience I had with them was the video on Kumo's channel with them, Definitely Board Oranges, Neko Koda, Ghetsis, and NazeNation where they all talked about CarmenRider.

I later commented on this video along with Fractured Light.

Outside of Koda commenting asking me for a live debate (which I'll get to in a minute), the only person from that video to comment on it was SeptyPaws, who said the following.

First off, I just want to point out how they singled out our take on their segment as "awful" and "one-sided." One has to wonder if they thought the rest of my takes were fine, or if they were only paying attention to what I said about them.

I should also note that nothing we did--even according to Septy--would make either myself of Fractured Light hypocrites--that's just not what that word means. For that matter, we were judging the video, not Septy as a person, so asking for elaboration on points made in the video would totally miss the point of commentating on that video specifically. Obviously if I were making sweeping statements about Septy as a person I would ask them for more information, but I was simply judging how they came off in that video.

Anyway, this comment then got tore apart by Fractured Light, Toganium, and Renbo64.

Meanwhile, Septy was ranting in my Discord DMs about basically the same thing they said in the comments. However, they also told me that everything wrong with the video was really the fault of Kumo, and how if only they had some more time the segment would have been perfect. Mind you, why they were taking my criticisms so personally when they also say the issues with their segment were totally outside their control was something Septy never explained. Nor did they explain, upon further reflection, why exactly any of this new information would disprove what Fractured and I said.

Most of you know what happened next, I had a live debate with Septy, Neko Koda, and Kumo.

At roughly 1:57:00, I asked Septy why they were no longer blaming Kumo for the flaws in their segment/the video more generally in front of Kumo despite doing that in private. The end result was Septy and Kumo going back and forth for a quarter of an hour--in a debate where all three of them were supposed to be fighting me.

Septy's habit of excuse making is also something that has been commented on elsewhere. However, this post is already long enough as it is so I think I'm going to wrap it up. To make it simply, I hope Septy gets better, and I stand by all my defenses of them during the situation with CarmenRider, but their own bad actions cannot be ignored.

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Carmen fucking Rider really thinks I’m one of my friends cuz I have a voice changer…I can’t anymore!

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CarmenRider, Lolicon, And Pedophilia (Oh My)

Well, the drama between CarmenRider and SeptyPaws is basically over at this point. Septy released a three and a half hour video on the situation--specifically going after Carmen's commentary on the video they did with Neko Koda--and I even have my own segment in it.

Septy wants the situation to be done, and I have no plans to keep it going. However, I also have some iron I want to strike while it's still hot. To be blunt, I was not a fan of CarmenRider to begin with, but after all of has been unfolded I think it's fair to say that Carmen is one of the worst people I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. For that matter, the fact that she basically tried to frame much of her distaste of Koda and Septy as defending me is a special kind of disgusting that I am not going to forgive any time soon.

Say hello to your new recurring customer on this blog, folks--right next to Lily Orchard and some others I sadly have not had the ability to introduce to you.

For those who don't know, I also have a political blog on the website Medium. I mention this because back in January I wrote an article on the controversy around lolicon, and CamenRider was mentioned quite heavily.

Lolicon Is Child Pornography

This post began life on 1/25/2022, when my friend Neko Koda — a male-to-female transgender slideshow commentator — posted a video titled…

In the article, I make the simple point that no other form of pornography is treated the same way Carmen treats lolicon. For example, 120 Days of Sodom is still considered sadistic pornography even though it's a novel--meaning no actual people were harmed in its writing.

I mention this because on 9/21/2022, CarmenRider had a recorded Discord call with Kumo on this very subject, where she kept denying that lolicon is child pornography.

Most of her claims are utter nonsense. At one point she says without any evidence that age of consent was created to punish prostitutes (one would think laws against prostitution already served that purpose) before saying she just read it on Quora. She also constantly goes back and fourth between arguing if lolicon is child pornography, if lolicon is illegal, and if lolicon is immoral. At one point, she'll say that there's nothing pedophilic about lolicon--before saying that actual pedophiles can use lolicon as a harmless outlet for their sexual desires. In order for it to be an outlet for pedophilic urges, something about it would need to attract pedophiles.

If you want to know more about the lolicon debate, Asalieri made a video a couple of months ago going into the topic and debunking the four most common arguments made in favor of it.

Asa mentions that the term "lolicon" comes from a shortening of the phrase "Lolita complex," but he doesn't go into detail about what that means. For those unaware, Lolita is a 1955 novel that shows a pedophilic relationship between Humbert Humbert and his kidnapped stepdaughter Dolores Haze. The term "Lolita" is so well known as a reference to sexual attraction towards young girls that Jeffery Epstein famously called his airplane "The Lolita Express." It should also be noted that the author of Lolita--Vladimir Nabokov-- based many of the examples of sexual abuse off of his own life.

It should also be noted that the novel never actually tries to show pedophilia in a positive light. Humbert is constantly viewed as nothing less than an amoral psychopath who no human being should have any sympathy for.

Carmen has a series of poor hypotheticals dedicated not so much to proving her point but really just to create as many artificial gray areas as humanly possible, here's me debunking one of them.

Even the premise of her attempting to find a grey area is nothing but a strawman. Nobody is claiming that a person in their twenties who is attracted to a seventeen year old is a pedophile--although some might call them a creep or a pervert. Pedophilia is basically a fetish for children who have not yet gone through puberty. It is a combination of the term "pedo" which means pre-pubescent (as seen in words like "pediatrician) and "philia" which basically means an abnormal fetish (as seen in words like "necrophilia").

Many of these same fallacies can be found in her conversation with Mushroom Girl--you know, the one that ended in her saying this.

However, even checking the rest of the conversation shows Carmen made a number of utterly nonsensical arguments. For example, at one point she says that people who use lolicon as a harmless way to express their pedophilic attractions aren't pedophiles.

Personally, I don't consider these people pedophiles but rather people who realize they have a disorder and want to fix/mend that so they can function as normal humans.

Okay, and what's that disorder called exactly? If they aren't pedophiles, then why are they engaging in something in order to cope with pedophilic attractions? This is nothing more than obvious doublethink on the part of Carmen, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

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Neko Koda: Comparison Tsar

Despite what many people--Koda herself, by the sounds of it--think, I've actually tried my hardest to not mention Neko Koda. I swore off covering her antics after the situation in--I think early August but don't quote me on that where a bunch of texts from The Cloud Palace were leaked to Koda. To make a long story short: Koda is very good at doing things that piss me off in ways I didn't think were possible, which is a shame because I do still think her content is really good. My inability to discuss Koda calmly plus the fact that she has had a lot of actual horrible things to deal with recently basically led me to only mention her in passing, and even then try and do so in a positive light whenever possible.

So why am I writing a post on her? Well it all started with a self-commentary I recently uploaded on YouTube on my commentary a fellow named Starmic, which can be watched here:

One of the things my past self got onto Starmic for--besides looking like somebody you'd find in a Panera in 2014--was him saying he was inspired to make commentaries because of the works of former commentator Rae Kohai, who currently has over two hundred pages of abuse accusations against her, which can be read here:

Rachel “Rae” Mills is an Abuser (v1.64)

Rachael “Rae” Mills is an Abuser v1.64 (Last updated: July 10, 2022) Latest Update: Tweaked the disclaimer on the front of Anon 1's testimon

I made the point that this was a total glasshouse, and somebody could easily use the same argument against me because my inspiration, Neko Koda, also has various controversies around her. I made it very clear Koda was not on the same level as Rae--nor did I even drop her name--but Koda still found the video and commented.

I should note, I never claimed Starmic idolized Rae, just that he was inspired by Rae. (Although if you want to get really pedantic, I said Starmic said he was inspired by Rae.)

I just want to point out that she at no point in the rest of this conversation answers my question of "did you actually watch the video you're commenting on?" which I only asked because most of this is explained in the introduction of the video--with the rest being said at the ending of it. (Another question I have which I didn't ask: Does she like her own comments? All of her comments in this thread have one like, and I sometimes found these comments mere minutes after they were first posted.)

I just want to point out, I've made basically no negative mentions of her since my most recent commentary on her. Fuck, from her (thankfully) failed suicide attempt and now, I've actually said nothing but positive things about her. Before that point, she made no attempt to ignore me--just look at what happened after the last three times I covered her on my YouTube channel if you don't believe me. Back in April, I made a video covering her video where she called CarmenRider a pedophile:

She only ignored if you think "ignored" means "commented on the video making fun of me for even making it."

To give everybody an idea of just how well this went over, the first two replies are making fun of her:

With that said, easily my favorite reply to what Neko said was from Azelf101, who said the following:

In the middle of May, I uploaded a commentary with Fractured Light on a video of Kumo's that included Definitely Bored Oranges, Ghetsis, NazeNation, Septy Paws, and Neko Koda all talking about CarmenRider.

Neko Koda did not ignore this video, she brought me on stream to have a live debate with her, Septy Paws, and Kumo on the topic of the video.

My latest video on Neko was uploaded just under two months later on the topic of her #ApologizeCarmenRider movement.

Behind the scenes, her ignoring it involved her taking part in a call with me, SeptyPaws, and LioConvoy in what was then-Nil's server. In fact, it was that call which caused me to leave this comment on the video, because listening to the arguments put forward caused me to change my mind on this situation.

In public, she ignored it by commenting on the video publicly and calling it "sickening."

She continued to ignore it by responding to multiple points I made in the video she made with SeptyPaws about the situation.

To be fair, she could be talking about everything after this point--where I wasn't criticizing her, so I'm not sure what exactly she would be ignoring. As for the claim that I've flip flopped on wanting to be her friend and calling her a bad person--I'll address this specifically in my next comment, but I want to note that attempting to be friends with somebody who you've harshly criticized is the same thing Neko Koda and SeptyPaws did with CarmenRider.

Going back to the thread:

I should also note that Koda seemed to think I put way more effort into attempting to be her friend again than I actually did. According to one person (although I haven't seen any hard evidence of this, so make of that what you will), she said I stopped being friends with CarmenRider in an attempt to get on your good side. (I actually did so because she was exactly the kind of person I realized I needed to cut out of my life around the same time. For that matter, I was so cynically depressed during basically all of July that I never thought I'd be on the good sides of anybody ever again.)

I should also note that I did not "flip flop," I talked about possibly doing it after being in calls with her again and enjoying myself. For reference, this was just after I was kicked out of Purely Odd Grandmasters for a number of reasons that were almost all me fucking up. POG basically was my friend group at the time, so I was incredibly isolated (albeit, again, because of things that were almost always my fault) and basically just wanted to talk to anybody. And despite that, I still never compromised a single thing I believed in to make myself more in line with Neko Koda. To give just one example, I called somebody who Koda is friends with but who is really hated in POG "human syphilis" when Koda brought them up.

I should also note, by "antagonized" I basically just mean teased slightly and argued with on occasion. I was perfectly willing to get along with her if she wanted me too--but she didn't, and to be blunt, I don't blame her. I already tried to get along with her once, and it didn't fucking work because of a number of reasons.

Also, if Koda wants to play comparison expert, I figured I might as well remind people her comparison skills.

(Thanks to my friend @pinker-and-blacker for re-uploading this.)

This was a video Koda made on Doodletones's commentary on Blaze The Movie Fan, specifically regarding the topic of discrimination against same-sex couples. If you want to watch this video the official way, a copy can be found on Koda's channel with the opening edited out.

In the video, Koda says denying somebody service because of religious belief is the same as raping somebody because you believe having sex with you is a gift from God. At another point, she says denying somebody service for a same-sex wedding is the same as not doing "gay car repairs." Meanwhile, she gets onto Doodle for comparing denying somebody service because of moral disagreements with homosexuality to doing the same because of moral disagreement with Nazis. Although I don't think that's the best comparison, speaking as somebody who is a homosexual male and who was friends with Koda and Doodle at the same time (although I was both much closer with Koda and agreed with Koda overall more), I will say Doodle's comparisons make far more sense than Koda's. Nothing about the video made any sense, and I personally spent forty minutes going over why that is.

However, the thing I want to focus on is her hypocrisy on comparisons. On one hand, when Doodle makes it clear she's not comparing being gay to being a Nazi, that's ignored.

However, when she compares denying somebody service because of beliefs to raping somebody because of beliefs, that's not her comparing those things--because she says so.

(Also, and I can't believe nobody I've seen has pointed this out until now, but fuck this is horribly written. "Is" should be "are," everything from "the point" onward should be its own sentence or separated by a comma, and using the word "different" twice that close together is just clumsy. For that matter, "belifes" is not a word, I think she meant "beliefs.")

I should also note that this caption was a last minute addition on Koda's part. For those who don't know, Neko Koda first uploads her videos unlisted and lets friends of hers watch them to make sure there aren't any mistakes--and I was one of her friends at the time. As such, I can confirm that she only added this--and expanded on the part about Blizzard--because I told her she needed to.

Mind you, Neko Koda has also tried to rewrite her history with me several times. Another claim I don't have hard evidence of her making but have gotten word from somebody who was friends with her at the time is that I actually liked the Doodle video when I first watched it and only changed my mind because the slideshow commentary community pressured me or something (even though, again, I was much more in her circle than Doodle's circle at the time). In truth, I actually provided several pieces of criticism (many of them were later used in my commentary, in fact) but said that I did think the commentary could work with some polish. She went on to ask me if she should still publish it, and I told her that was something only she could decide, and that she should if she's willing to standby the points in them. (Given she quickly made the video private, DMCAed a re-upload, put it back up with the introduction edited out, and then unlisted it--I'll let you decide if she followed my advice.) I did say I was willing to remain friends with her after the video, but she's the one who decided against that.

After Lin Lin released a video where she called out Neko's friend HeyItsCosmic for having a history of stalking, Neko blocked Lin on Discord. She went on to say that she nothing against Lin Lin personally, but she just doesn't want to deal with the fucking SCC anymore, before writing:

I should note, I wasn't in the Slideshow Commentary Community when I began friends with Neko Koda. Fuck, I wasn't even sure I wanted to make commentaries again until about a month later, with me even writing a script for her to see if I wanted to come back as a commentator. This was also before Neko Koda had any bad will with the Slideshow Commentary Community, although she did not consider herself a member.

I also wrote the following regarding these claims on Twitter:

Speaking of comparisons, lets talk about how much Koda--understandably--hates being compared to her ex-boyfriend and child groomer, Vii Omega. During our debate, Koda told me that comparisons can be justified as long as the two things being compared have something in common. During their back and fourth over the issue of discrimination, Doodletones agreed--and felt it was right to compare Koda's stubbornness, twisting of words, unwillingness to listen, and desire to control the narrative to Vii Omega.

Don't get me wrong, it was a harsh critique--I'd argue needlessly so--but Neko and Vii did have those things in common. Don't get me wrong, Neko Koda is nowhere near as bad as Vii Omega, just like denying somebody service is nowhere near as bad as rape--you see my point here? I certainly get why Koda's dislikes the comparison so much, but the solution should be for her to grow greater empathy and maybe figure out why people make this comparison in the first place. Nobody has ever done just to be hurtful, they've done it to make a point.

About a month ago, a user named Crimson Paladin leaked various messages from the SCC group The Cloud Palace's discord server to Neko Koda, with some of them even containing the comparison. For what it's worth, Avi Haltmann--one of the people who made the comparison in the first place--doubled down.

With that said, while I do also understand Koda's distaste for the comparison, I also understand that words mean certain things. For example, saying mean things about somebody--and yes, this includes the really mean things--in a Discord server they aren't in that they wouldn't have ever heard if it weren't for somebody leaking these conversations to them after the fact is not "weaponizing trauma." Somebody should really tell Neko Koda this because that was the first thing she said The Cloud Palace did.

This is like saying somebody tried to shoot you in a room you weren't in. Also, Neko does understand that people besides her were victims of Vii Omega, right? The person she keeps going after is Doodletones, who was a close friend with Vii Omega up until he was kicked out of The Cloud Place for being a manipulative asshole. Fuck, I was friends with him for far longer than either Neko Koda or Doodletones were, even talking to the guy mere days before he left the internet for being exposed as a groomer and a sexual abuser. Mind you, I was never a victim of his--but doesn't that give me some right to recognize Neko engaging in similar patterns of behavior that he engaged in? Doodle had it worse than me--although nobody, except maybe a few--had it worse than Koda, but again, shouldn't Doodle have the right to notice similarities in patterns of behavior?

That's the thing that really gets to me here. It would be one thing if Koda criticized the comparison as needlessly hyperbolic (because discord servers she isn't in is where she thinks you list out your formal complaints, I guess) but acknowledged the criticism around it and responded to it. Instead, Koda just gets irrationally angry and uses the harsh analogy and closes her ears. This, plus the fact that she thinks she has the right to tone police every mention of her on the internet is honestly just frustrating.

Actually, while doing research for a later part of this post, I found a tweet of Koda basically saying that even if she was exactly like Vii--comparing her to Vii would be wrong because Vii did bad things to her. Again, never mind the fact that Vii did bad things to basically everybody who was in the SCC around this time.

To end with, I want to tell everybody a little story. In 1962, after he lost the California Governor race against Pat Brown, former Vice President Richard Nixon declared the following:

I leave you gentleman now. You will now write it; you will interpret it; that's your right. But as I leave you I want you to know.... just think how much you're going to be missing. You don't have Nixon to kick around any more, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference, and I hope that what I have said today will at least make television, radio, the press recognize that they have a right and a responsibility, if they're against a candidate give him the shaft, but also recognize if they give him the shaft, put one lonely reporter on the campaign who'll report what the candidate says now and then. Thank you, gentlemen, and good day.

Neko Koda reminds me of this moment all the time, because she has spent the past year saying she's down with the SCC--only to keep getting into drama with them and declaring she's once again done with them. To end this post, here's her doing this all across 2022 on Twitter.

Given she apparently still watches my content, and pays close enough attention to it to notice all my little details, I think she's going to be distancing herself again some time in the near future.

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CarmenRider And The Art Of Hypothetics

"Come on Ephrom, another post about CarmenRider! Why do you keep making these?"

For views and money of course, and no other reason.

What? I figured since CarmenRider is such a big fan of Just A Robot, I might as well take a joke from one of his videos to explain why I keep making these posts. For those curious, it was a joke I took from this video:

But seriously, I decided to write another post on this situation because there have been some updates that I feel are worth talking about. If you want to know the origin of the situation, I would recommend reading this post before continuing forward:

Oh, CarmenRider

I admit, I had to watch this video a couple of times in order to understand what Septy's crimes are. Best as I can tell, Septy said spur of

If must have been a good post, because Septy shared it on Twitter.

First off, the conversation I had in the comments of the CarmenRider's video continued. Specifically, JustTubeStuff decided to reply to one of my comments and wrote the following

I want to make it very clear that I do believe that Septy crossed a line, but I do not think Septy threatened to dox CarmenRider. All Septy said was that they hypothetically could have--and would have had they been the terrible person Carmen makes them out to be--and the comment flew totally over Carmen's head. Mind you, I don't even blame her considering she never saw the comment, she just saw Redd Gier telling her that Septy threatened to dox her. Again, no screenshot of what Septy said even exists because it was deleted so fast. (As somebody with both anger issues and an anxiety issue, I recognize that as a sign that somebody said something they want to take back or think could easily be taken the wrong way. You can say many things about Septy, but they are not one to double down on bad actions nor badly predict how their words will be heard.)

Still, I would say this is part of the pattern of Carmen mindlessly believing anything about the people she doesn't like, something she has done for so long I even mentioned it in my first post on the subject of her:

A Quick Note On CarmenRider

It should go without saying that I was against Septy flagging Carmen (and Septy has since retracted the strike request)--I believe Carmen's

This post, I should note, was also shared by Septy on Twitter, so take that endorsement as you will:

Meanwhile, Septy uploaded a call with CallMeNil on their channel where the two talked about the situation:

In the video, Septy confirms basically what I assumed since the beginning. In a moment of anger, Septy said they could do something they had no intent of doing and quickly took it bad. Anybody who read my post the day before already figured this out--fuck, I'd argue that anybody who put so much as ten seconds of thought into this situation could have guessed that--but there's something else I want to point. If Carmen and her fans want to play of game of pointing to a hypothetical and using that as evidence that the person wants to do the thing they mentioned--or even that's an issue that Septy even considered this in the first (quite literally accusing them of a thought crime)--then I wish to remind everybody Carmen began her year with this hypothetical:

For those unaware, this is something Carmen said in a conversation with Mushroom Girl after the two had a back and fourth over the YouTuber Sensitive Society. If you want to know more about that, Neko Koda made a video on this topic, which can be viewed here:

Mushroom Girl--who was fourteen at the time--asked Carmen why she liked Lolicon, and Carmen said this.

Carmen tells the full story in this video:

I should also note, as Bummer Patrol pointed out on Twitter, this is an utterly nonsensical excuse:

I should also note, I do not believe that Carmen is a pedophile because of this comment. But somebody could easily come to that conclusion, as many people have. Is Carmen merely thinking about turning a fourteen year old into a "human fleshlight" (which she was somehow going to do over the internet--I should note) an issue on its own? I mean, one could easily make that case, but I would assume that it would more be a case of hyperbolic language as opposed to actual attraction.

I mean, we know some people came to that conclusion because that screenshot was used in a document which specifically called CarmenRider a pedophile because of that and many other comments:

Copy of Copy of The Carmen Doc.

The Carmen Rider Doc TW: Pedophilia, Racism, LGBTQ+ Phobia, Toxic Behavior, and Child Porn Table of Contents Preface/Intr

So is Carmen a pedophile? I don't believe so, but I honestly think it's worth mentioning just how hypocritical Carmen has to be in order to believe that at this point.

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Oh, CarmenRider

I admit, I had to watch this video a couple of times in order to understand what Septy's crimes are. Best as I can tell, Septy said spur of the moment out of anger that they could leak Carmen's full name if they wanted to, which they then quickly took back. In fact, Septy took it back so quickly that we don't even have screenshots of these messages. However, the title of this video says that Septy threatened to do that, which is just wrong.

Or, I guess it's more accurate to say that we don't know if they said that. Septy said in later messages shown in Carmen's video that they just meant they could as revenge, not that they were going to:

Septy also said the same thing to Redd Gier, a moderator in CarmenRider's discord server, after they were informed Gier told Carmen about these messages:

Septy also denied it was a threat for a third time later--and might I remind you all, these are literally just screenshots from Carmen's video:

Carmen calls this an obvious lie based on--well, nothing. She doesn't have the message of Septy saying anything that would lead anybody to believe this is some kind of threat, so how the fuck does she know what Septy really meant? The only messages that might be able to confirm this have since been deleted--and even then, Septy took this back so fast that any chance of this being an actual threat is basically non-existent.

You know, in her call with The Senate, Carmen noted that her opposition was engaging in the same tactics somebody Just A Robot fought with in the past, specifically name dropping Kai Weiss.

In her response to Septy's and Neko's video on the situation, she made it clear that she was doing this because, since SeptyPaws works for Just A Robot, that means that they shouldn't be doing the same thing Kai Weiss did--or something. She also responds to Just A Robot recommending a video from Kai Weiss by saying she was incredibly surprised he'd do such a thing.

Never mind the fact that Just A Robot has never held a mindless vendetta against those he covers. To give just one example, Just A Robot went from making videos on Doodletones, to defending Doodletones against xX Icyhazard Xx, to working with Doodletones in a video on TheNamesJunkie from this year.

But I mention this because this tactic of taking somebody saying they can do something and using it as evidence they want to do something is the same thing done by somebody else Just A Robot battled with, TMossBoss. Specifically, Just A Robot told TMossBoss that he could flag TMossBoss's channel down, and TMossBoss took that as Just A Robot saying he wanted to flag TMossBoss's channel down, or even that he actually planned on doing it.

Anyway, I saw this video--the first one I showed, not the like seven I've embedded since--and was incredibly confused--so I took to the comments and expressed my lack of understanding with this video.

According to Google, Bobby Kotick is the CEO of Activison Blizzard and I have no idea what he has to do with the conversation Carmen and I were having. I seriously mean this, if somebody can please explain to me the connenction--well, send it as a submission or question.

And yes, this is part of Carmen's long history of randomly bringing up people she doesn't like that have nothing to do with the thing she's talking about. If you want to know more about that habit of hers, I pointed it out in this post:

Some More Nails In The CarmenRider Coffin

Once again, I do not agree with SeptyPaws flagging CarmenRider--but this video is just disgusting, and I think it honestly shows the differe

Class Edgelord then joined the conversation:

I did type out a reply, but it appears to haven't been sent so I'l paraphrase it here: What exactly does Class want to do to hold Septy accountable? The best I can tell is that Class wants is either preemptive justice or punishment for what basically amounts to a thought crime. I mean that literally, because both Carmen and Class have said that the issue is that Septy even thought this in the first place--not that they were seriously going to do this.

Also, aren't these the same people who have told us over and over again that thoughts of pedophilia do not turn into child molestation? Why is it that thoughts turn into actions now when it's convenient?

Anyway, after this happened, I did something that it seems like neither Carmen nor Septy did, I actually tried asking Septy what happened. They confirmed to me exactly what I assumed happened, Septy got angry and said something regretful before quickly taking it back:

Septy also notes that they were not on their normal medication at the time, and that greatly impacted their decision making:

Some people might be wondering why I'm dedicating so many words on this topic, and it's because it's such a great microcosm for how Carmen acts. Even when she catches somebody she doesn't like doing something wrong, she decides that she has to hyperbolize it and engage with things in--and I don't like this term personally, but it really does fit--bad faith. And Carmen's fans are perfectly willing to go along with this.

Take this comment by a fellow named BurningSpeed:

That can't be the actual explanation, according to Burning, Septy has to be convincing themself of this. Funny how this is totally unfalsifiable. This is yet another example of why people should never support Carmen, even when she's right she still makes sure that what she said is wrong.

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Question For CarmenRider: Have We Entered "The Long Run" Yet?

(Note to self: Never write a post about drama in the middle of the day. You might come up with some more points you want to make later.)

In her call with The Senate, LioConvoy's discord server--CarmenRider told The Senate that she would win in the long run.

Of course, this comment is made fun of by the rest of the call, with Jase specifically wondering what it is she's actually going to win. Carmen then says that her comment was metaphorical--meaning she didn't literally plan on winning, I think--and the call moves on.

This is one part I love revisiting as the situation goes on. Make no mistake, it was obvious bullshit at the time--even those on Carmen's side had to have known that. The same day Carmen uploaded this, she also uploaded an (currently unlisted) apology video:

I should also note that this video has multiple lies in this, for example, Carmen says the following regarding Bella:

Who has accused you of grooming? The only person I can think of that made such an accusation was Lovely Lina, and it was LioConvoy that corrected them.

What people actually said was that you handled the Bella situation highly irresponsibly. I won't go into that here since there's enough for that to be its own post and even then I'm not the best informed about it, but this is utter nonsense. For that matter, it's not Bella who got you called a pedophile--although I will admit it certainly didn't help matters--it was your constant defense of lolicon that did that.

Oh, and that video where you said a character who was twelve years old had "the most lewdable features."

And the fact that you encourage people to draw porn of your fifteen year old character.

As Avi Haltmann put it on Twitter:

Of course, despite this being an apology, Carmen goes on to insult the people who have been asking her to apologize the loudest before saying they made her not want to apologize:

Side note: You apologize because you felt you did something wrong. It shouldn't matter how the people who demand one of you are acting, that's just not how apologies work. Also, I can't help but notice that she said the two people who saved Septy's life made the situation worse. Might I remind you all this is the woman who started the situation in the first place!

I mention this because all of this went through my head when I saw Carmen's video from today, where she once again declared victory over Septy:

But I want to know: How exactly did Carmen win? Even checking the comments of this video, people are more just happy this is finally over and begging Carmen not to continue over congratulating her on a victory.

Meanwhile, Class Edge Lord--who was once Carmen's most loyal fan--stopped talking to Carmen two months ago, and hasn't shown any signs of going back to her.

CallMeNil, somebody who used to be a good friend of Carmen's, has also expressed that she now hates Carmen because of how she leaked personal information about Neko Koda (might I remind you all that Nil was somebody who Carmen thought was on her side and thanked in her apology video):

Oh yeah, I can't believe I forgot about the whole "CarmenRider implied both LioConvoy and everybody against lolicon is a pedophile" part. You see, it started with this video:

In it, Carmen plays a long series of clips of various critics of Lolicon being arrested for pedophilia and other offenses. This is put together with her calling LioConvoy an alleged pedophile (which is a statement that is both inflammatory and meaningless) over various things I'm not getting into.

To put it simply, even when Septy does wrong, it's not met with people believing Carmen is in the right--it's met with people thinking this entire thing is really stupid. However, regardless of everything Septy did, Septy never drove somebody to suicide, and that makes them a better person than CarmenRider.

So, is this the point where Carmen declares victory? Because, to be blunt, it seems like she's still losing the war.

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Some More Nails In The CarmenRider Coffin

Once again, I do not agree with SeptyPaws flagging CarmenRider--but this video is just disgusting, and I think it honestly shows the difference between the two sides in this drama. CarmenRider drove somebody to suicide, lied about it, commissioned art of Neko Koda getting rape shortly after he suicide attempt, leaked personal information about Neko Koda's life without doing any keep of double checking based on the words of an anonymous source, accused SeptyPaws of pedophilia, accused LioConvoy of pedophilia, accused those three of being some kind of mob who will force those who disagree to submit, and accused me of not having free will. And this is all just limiting it to this situation.

Meanwhile, SeptyPaws flagged one video of hers and took it back after less than a day. SeptyPaws was in the wrong to do that, sure. But if we're going to play the game of determining who should be sided with based off of the immoral actions of the people involved, CarmenRider still loses.

Those who read my previous post on Carmenider know that she will believe anything as long as it makes those who are against her look bad. In this video, she mindlessly compares SeptyPaws to Kai Weiss without explaining what those two people have in common. This is something Carmen also does a lot, I think the first person to point this out was Neko Koda in this video:

If Carmen doesn't like somebody, she has a weird habit of connecting that person with other people she doesn't like for basically no reason. Just watch her video on Liam McEvoy if you don't believe me:

In this video, she compares McEvoy to somebody named No One Asked and another person named Brittany Venti--even showing a long clip of her Brittany Venti at one point for basically no reason, even saying that Liam's point was contradicting something Venti said.

While on the topic, Carmen says she used so much of Septy's/Koda's video without commentary was because people accused me of lying by omission after Neko Koda's Angry Mob. However, that was never a criticism people had with that video. People primarily got onto me for misunderstanding the situation and making fun of Neko Koda's ascetics over actually addressing the points. People also didn't agree with what I had to say, but nobody to my memory accused me of lying. Fuck, even Septy didn't say I lied, but that I jumped the gun and didn't look into the situation enough:

While on the topic of this comment, Carmen likes saying I let Septy walk all over me. If that were the case, the co-op with FracturedLight would be deleted by now because Septy has asked me to either do that or remove their section multiple times. One of these times led to me saying I'd rather hang around Carmen (who Septy called a sociopath) over Septy (who I called a censor), hence Septy saying this:

Speaking of Fractured Light, he also didn't like my video on Septy, but he never said I was lying--instead, he said I made a comment which I couldn't know if it was true or not.

JustTubeStuff also left a particularly long comment, never saying I was lying but that my mindless hatred of Neko Koda led me to view her as the bad guy as opposed to any actual evidence:

Also, this was based on me misremembering--that was actually something Jase said in a video he did with Vida:

HeyItsCosmic, who is friends with Neko Koda and hates the SCC, also left a comment--and never said I was lying:

Both Jonie Roe and Michael Schomer left comments, again, not calling me a liar but saying that I should have taken this topic more seriously than I did:

Where are all the people saying I intentionally spread information I knew was wrong? You know, because that's what a lie is! Going through the seventy-three comments, most people believe it was an honest mistake on my part driven by a combination of mindless hatred for Neko Koda and a lack of willingness to look into the situation. Both of those, I should note, are perfectly valid criticisms as I have since come to realize. Although I might just be giving into what those people want--you know, to change my mind in accordance with new information. Fuck, the meanest comment I've gotten was from YoPalGal, who said me backing Carmen in the first place was entirely accidental.

And by the way, when I admitted I fucked up and said I wanted to do better, I was actually forgiven by this group:

Who has Carmen ever forgiven, exactly? Have you guys ever noticed that? Her shit list is constantly growing, but the only person I can think of who has ever been taken off of it is Kumo--which is not exactly a good sign. Carmen wants to tell the world we're these uptight, vengeful people--but we constantly allow others to make mistakes and grow from them--Carmen does not.

As for Carmen's criticisms of the strike itself, she is right that it's Neko's strike to file and not Septy's. For that matter, she is right that Septy would have had to use his legal name if he wanted to do a legal action like a copyright strike. Then she says that it was wrong for Septy to do this because other people in similar situations didn't do this--which is not how anything works. Just because somebody has the legal right/ability to do something does not mean they have to do that thing. For that matter, just because one person does not exercise their legal rights/abilities, that does not mean nobody else has the right to ever again.

Also, she leaves out the fact that Septy is commenting on a video that accused them of purger over using their internet name and not their legal one while reading out Septy's comment.

Carmen then goes on to say that Lio believed claims at face value without research regarding Bella--which, ironically, she presents no evidence for.

Carmen ends this video by saying that she's done with this situation--but I honestly don't believe that. However, even if she is, I do want to point out that basically everything she said during this situation--one that began with her driving somebody to suicide, remember--was a lie or utter bullshit.