so I'm still processing Canto 9 but probably talking about it will help me sort out my thoughts so. Gotta start somewhere though, the smaller lore drops are easier to parse, and who am I if not a #1 Faust fan
(spoilers for the final cutscenes of Canto 9 + general Faust lore ahead, and I have tagged this post for spoilers as well of course)
So, the Gesellschaft, right. We got 2 major things inferred by this cutscene:
Faust was once an administrator of the Gesellschaft and got demoted for as-yet unknown reasons
Likely her own real personal wish *isn't* to just know everything. That's Faust's/the Gesellschaft's wish, but HER OWN wish is most likely to gain her position back, and thus their respect (plus all the information she's being frozen out of accessing too.)
The other Fausts belittle and look down on her, and we know she's very prideful. She's probably holding out quietly in the hope this will all pass and will be worth it in the end. We know she can be veeeery petty when she's upset, but she is still holding her tongue and taking the disparaging title for the sake of getting the information. We've already pretty much known this, but it's interesting to see first-hand how her views and the way she treats others is directly coming from her experiences within the Gesellschaft.
Which of the two postulated wishes she placed in her contract with Limbus Company remains to be seen, but I doubt it's both. You can only make one wish with the Company. We know she's a Faust who generally runs counter to the others... she struggles with having a sense of individuality that the rest of the administrators have likely destroyed in themselves, and she believes in the inherent uncertainty of events. Yet both of those are not what she's supposed to do -- have faith in the flow being certain, and be simply "a Faust", rather than Faust. It'll be interesting to see which she prioritized in the moment when she made her contract.
As for what she did to get demoted? I have not read Goethe's Faust besides a summary so for now these are surface-level predictions; I'd like to do a full read and then a more in-depth analysis at some point. Nonetheless, I imagine the two most likely options are 1. she did something that she wasn't supposed to, or 2. she gained far more information than she was supposed to have, but at a price.
And if I had to guess what either of those point to...? It might very well be the creation of Mephistopheles, a creation which she herself barely even understands as she was not a major architect in it's design. Thus, her deal with the devil -- or, in this case perhaps to create the devil. (I would not be surprised if PM takes a multi-faceted approach to what aspects of the deal and Mephistopheles are represented where, and combines parts similarly to how a lot of the characters from Canto 9 feel like partial combinations of major parts of Hell Screen.)
Also on that note about Canto 9, I didn't expect more Faust lore right yet, but it does make sense we're getting more info about what's looking to be another abusive, high-control group -- which tears at itself from the inside out -- at the end of the Canto dedicated to cycles of abuse.
To bookend this set of thoughts, honorable mention to this line (don't mind my cursor covering Abraxas!Sinclair's face lmao I didn't notice at the time):
"Don't grieve everything all at once", huh.
The dawn of a certain day approaches, and I hear the ominous tolling of a certain bell...
Inspired by @ladyofthebookcase and @melonisopod's posts detailing all of the Sinner's current Sin distributions across their IDs (post 1, post 2), I had many thoughts about what this might mean for the Sinners' characters.
See, most of those I went "yeah makes sense" about -- like Yi Sang with one limbillion sloth. Heathcliff with all the wrath and envy. Ryoushuu's absolute monopoly on lust also didn't really surprise me though it is funny.
But then just a handful I was like Wow Hey Uh wanna explain that one for me @ that Sinner. Hey Faust why is your highest GLOOM. WHAT. Ma'am that one isn't even in your base LCB set NOR relevant to your base EGO!!
And then that made me think. So, the sins used by the LCB IDs, and the sin resistances + sin of their base EGOs are usually pretty relevant to their character. I don't know if this is well-known as far as theory goes (or if it's canon), but my friend group operates on the theory/understanding that:
S1-S2-S3 are a Sinner's most prominent or personally relevant sins (with S1 being most obvious outwardly, and S3 being most personal/what drives them deep down),
their defense skill is what sin they use to protect themself/what they hide behind,
their base EGO is the sin that was present during/what led them to their moment of greatest weakness or trauma,
and their weaknesses are what sins they are the most influenced by.
This made me wonder how many of them have their most-present sin across IDs present somewhere in their base kit -- or more broadly, how our Sinners specifically compare to their mirror Identities overall.
(Spoilers are mentioned for various plot points through Canto 8, read at your own risk. These counts are current as of October 2025 with the release of Shi Faust, and do include defense skills. Thank you to ladyofthebookcase and melonisopod for doing all the counting!! Charts are merged to have 2 per image b/c of Tumblr's 10 images per post limit.)
The Charts And Breakdowns™
Yi Sang, Faust:
Yi Sang's highest is Sloth, his S3 and EGO are heavy on Sloth. The Gloom and Envy representation also fits his kit. No major notes there. It is interesting how Gluttony and Pride are so much more present in his other IDs, but I presume that shows how removing Yi Sang from the League (and said League's downfall) would allow his pursuit of innovation/invention to influence him more -- a desire to consume knowledge, and pride in his inventions (kinda like Faust!)
As mentioned, Faust's base kit has no Gloom representation anywhere yet this is her highest sin total. Our Faust has an absurd Pride presence, but that sin is (though average) still less present than both Envy and Lust across her IDs. Her other IDs usually have Lust, Envy, or Gloom by comparison. Also, Gluttony is the least-represented across her IDs, despite being so important to base Faust's kit. Also interestingly, she has one weakness heavily represented and one that is barely so.
I think all of this makes sense, given how different our Faust can be from the others; Gloom/Lust/Envy represents the overall dynamics of the Gesellschaft, while our Faust heavily leans towards Pride/Gluttony in contrast, showing her motivation for being part of the Gesellschaft likely differs. (Faust's Lust weakness also explains why she is so easily controlled/influenced by the Gesellschaft.)
Don Quixote, Ryoushuu:
Lust is primarily represented in our Don Quixote's kit; though Envy is present too, her IDs lean more heavily towards it. Once again we see one weakness (Wrath) represented highly, and one (Gloom) barely represented. Wrath is surprisingly high for only being a weakness; I don't know too much about Don's other IDs, but anyone else is free to tack on their own analysis here. Superficially I'd guess that just more Don's have fallen prey to said wrath weakness and are letting it drive them.
Extreme amounts of Lust rep. for Ryoushuu, also high Gluttony rep. Honestly these numbers show Ryoushuu is really, really consistent across her IDs; ours isn't much different to any others. Once again, one weakness (Gluttony) is very present and the other is barely at all, like Faust and Don Quixote.
Meursault, Hong Lu:
Given what I know of The Stranger (dude shot someone just b/c it was hot out and the sun was in his eyes), Meursault IDs having so many Wrath skills doesn't surprise me much, but it is interesting that Wrath is not anywhere in his base kit. Otherwise, his base kit lines up pretty well with his total sin distribution; also a fairly consistent character across mirror worlds. His weaknesses still intrigue me, if any Meur fans want to enlighten me there.
Hong Lu having so much Pride surprised me, but I think ladyofthebookcase's comment on the matter suits this well: "...someone once said to me that pride can take the form of refusing to acknowledge your feelings because you feel like you shouldn't have them." Otherwise though, our Hong Lu is fairly different from his other IDs -- totally lacking in Gluttony, heavy on Gloom with specifically his EGO, and only a Wrath weakness. I suppose his other IDs must prioritize what they were set out to do (leave H Corp. and experience the world), and perhaps it's 50/50 as to whether each Hong Lu became angry or sorrowful at the awful things he experienced/witnessed.
Heathcliff, Ishmael:
Heathcliff is extremely heavy on Wrath and Envy, no big surprise here. Like Ryoushuu, he is very consistent across all his IDs. Some Heathcliffs are still envious over Catherine; some Heathcliffs have lost the plot and just seek to harm now. I'd be really interested to see whether the distribution of Heathcliff's sins has changed before/after Canto 6, when Catherine was canonically erased. Our Heathcliff really doesn't have any of his secondary affinities but I think they're fitting for his character overall. Once again, one weakness is somewhat well-represented and another very poorly so.
Ishmael's base kit fits the heavy presence of Gloom/Wrath easily, no notes on that. It is notable that she has such a strong Pride/Envy presence on her other IDs and not her base kit, but those are present with a fair few Sinking IDs and she does have 3 of those. Pride is fitting for her; Envy I don't understand as much for our Ishmael, but it makes sense given her uptie stories for those IDs (bit of a loner type who feels left out/like she doesn't fit in.) I went to check for her weaknesses, and they're mostly distributed around her S1/S2 (with Kurokumo Ishy having a Lust S3.) They're also both poorly represented, like Meursault's.
Rodion, Sinclair:
Rodya with Wrath and Pride makes perfect sense, along with Gloom and Envy. Her weaknesses are both heavily represented for her, like (somewhat) Yi Sang, and like Sinclair below. I find it notable that she has a lot less Sloth, including in her own kit, given the implications of TKT and her own Canto's name. I think this is because she wants to change, she just isn't/can't/doesn't know how/her other sins get in the way -- unlike other Sinners who are happy with their complacency in and of itself. Sins can be multi-faceted like that. Ultimately, this distribution makes sense for what we know of Rodya's character.
Sinclair's IDs lean most heavily towards Gluttony; this is more unlike our Sinclair, who has mostly moved past his moment of weakness (if you consider that to be following along with Kromer; whether the Gluttony is because of Kromer's pursuits or Sinclair's desire to retain Kromer's friendship, that's up to you.) In general, our Sinclair seems fairly different from other Sinclairs given the lack of Gloom + Lust and reduced Gluttony presence in his base kit; I wonder if that ties into him having the potential to earn all 3 of his marks, compared to other Sinclairs being stuck at 0/1/2. His lowest total being sloth makes sense given his arc about growing into his potential.
Outis, Gregor:
Outis has a ton of pride, raise your hand if you're surprised lol. Her kit is well-represented across her IDs but once again, notable that an equal amount of sins are not present on our Outis. Likely this means that our Outis is different from many of the others, though not as much as our Faust is from other Fausts, for example. She has the lowest presence of one of her weaknesses in her own IDs, but also one of the highest for her other weakness. I suppose her other IDs must lean more into spreading their views about the war, whereas she... does not as much as far as her sins are concerned, which is interesting given some of her actual lines of dialogue in various Cantos/Intervallos. This may prove notable later, we'll have to see with her Canto.
Gregor's distribution makes perfect sense and is well-represented by his base kit, once again this points to a very consistent character across all his IDs. Once again one weakness is heavily represented and one is barely so. It is interesting that so many Gregors have Lust skills; him and Meursault are also the only two to use no EGO resources that match their EGO's affinity. Perhaps some Gregors were more or less influenced by the war and by Hermann (whose grooming of him to be the perfect poster child for the Smoke War I think may explain this.)
Ok cool great Rift, so what's the conclusion about all of this
One: thanks for reading all of that lmao.
Two: in regards to consistency across mirror worlds/IDs, from most to least consistent I'd rank the Sinners: Ryoushuu, Heathcliff, Rodya, Gregor, Meursault, Yi Sang, Don Quixote, Ishmael, Sinclair, Hong Lu, Outis, and Faust.
For specific additional notes: Ryoushuu has the highest highs and lows (17 to 1); Outis has some of the highest numbers while also having poor base representation of multiple sins; Faust as mentioned has moderate/average numbers, but extremely poor base representation of most of her relevant sins; Gregor has the highest ties with 3 10s, but also has only 12 IDs still so we'll have to see if this changes in the future.
Three: Sinners fall into one of three groups -- both of their weaknesses are present in many of their other IDs (Rodya, Sinclair, Yi Sang), neither of their weaknesses is very present in their IDs (Ishmael, Meursault, kind of Heathcliff but this may change), or only one weakness is significantly present (all the rest.) Notably, Ishmael, Meursault, and Rodya don't have their weakness present in their base skills.
What does this mean? I'm not entirely sure, but one hypothesis I have is the ones with both present weaknesses are Sinners who have fallen victim in many mirror worlds to embodying the sins that also control them. (For Yi Sang and Sinclair, that's also including their base identities/our versions of each!) You could maybe consider it like becoming what you hate.
Conversely then, the Sinners who don't have either weakness present much among their IDs are ultimately more... self-assured isn't quite the word I'm looking for, but something along those lines. And then the ones with one of each are simply in-between.
Four: Regarding anomalies. Faust IS indeed the only Sinner without her highest-represented sin present in ANY part of her base Identity. Though she has less identities (13) than some other Sinners, I think this gap is high enough that it's significant. Envy is not too far behind and also is unrepresented, and Lust as well is only in her weaknesses. Sinclair would be our runner-up, with his most-represented sin present only in his EGO. He has one more ID than Faust does (14.) All other Sinners have their most-represented sin on at least one of their main skills, though which one between S1/S2/S3 varies.
Our Faust is the most different to her other Identities, as previously discussed -- I think this just continues to embody that, as well as her (likely) Canto themes surrounding agency and self-differentiation.
As for Sinclair, I think this is again because of our Sinclair's potential with the Sign and all 3 marks, even though his identities are ultimately more similar to him overall than Faust's.
To me, this speaks towards our Sinclair perhaps having changed (as a result of his trauma, which is represented by Gluttony -- as in, his moment of weakness was marked by Gluttony -- but which is otherwise not present) in comparison to the other Sinclairs, while our Faust was wholly different from the other Fausts in the first place/intrinsically (Gloom is not present at all, anywhere.) Food for thought, perhaps!
And five: I haven't adjusted these numbers based on the # of IDs each Sinner has, since that does influence the counts a bit. Each Sinner has at least 12 IDs as of writing this, so with 3 skills + 1 defense for each, that's 48 data points minimum... some things are very clear, but ideally you'd need/want more data to really be sure on any trends (or to break ties in the middle of the distribution.) If anyone who's better at stats would like to calculate the percentages of sins of each Sinner's kit, adjusted for/relative to the number of IDs they have, that'd be awesome!!
That's all I have in mind to write for now, but there's definitely more to be analyzed for sure. Feel free to reblog with your own thoughts, I'd love to read them. I'll try and periodically come back to update this with new data -- maybe every 4-5 new IDs or so? I'll edit in a link to the most current reblog when that happens.
EDIT: Clarified/fixed some wording that was bugging me, and also fixed Gregor's chart b/c I typed 9 instead of 8 lol.
Hello Limbus Company OC community, I'm cooking up something for you all (it's a Toyhou.se character profile code!)
Here's a preview of the first tab for now, I'll make a new post when it's all finished :3
For some advance details: it'll be available for free!! (I cannot charge for it since I'm using some official assets and some referenced code.) Given how certain elements work it will require TH premium -- but I will try and make a non-premium version if I can. And it is sadly not mobile friendly, I only had the braincells to figure out one layout set for now, but maybe in the future!
There will be a tab for basic info, backstory, as many Identity cards + their corresponding Skills as you can think of, and slotted EGOs. I wanted to make something with lots of stuff to use for my own LCB OCs :]
LVL 45 KoD RODYA BEST ID IN THE GAME LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Spoilers and my thoughts on the Intervallo below the cut!
(P.S. Hi Limbus Company tag!! I've actually been posting here for a month and wondering why I couldn't see my posts in the tag... turns out I forgot I had turned blog searching off years ago on all my blogs, oops. That's fixed now. Idk if my posts will retroactively show up now or not, but if so: cool! If not: hello for the first time! I do fanart and give team help/advice sometimes. I just finished catching up (started playing in July) and I'm real excited to be on current content with everyone else. :D)
Great fun!! Enjoyed the story, so sad we didn't get to see Hong Lu and Faust use their new E.G.Os in it like we did Ishmael and Gregor. MEURSAULT DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH THE CLASS!?!??! (I will mention that he is the only one so far to have used his E.G.O without being ordered to, on his own, in Canto 6. Suspicious...) Of course they pulled a "and suddenly you don't remember" at the end but that's not surprising.
Also, on hard mode: so, I played thru the whole Intervallo w/ my friends on call (so excited I get to join them now!! It's tradition for us to voice-act all the new story content. I took over voicing Faust :3) They were wondering why I was taking so much longer in the major fights... I thought I was just being slow and methodical (which is how I usually play the game anyways tbf.) Took until I streamed the dungeon for them to go HEY WAIT WHY DOES YOUR BOSS HAVE LIKE 4K HP?? ARE YOU IN HARD MODE?? Yeah turns out I had hard mode selected the whole time and didn't notice. Whoops! Sorry for making you two wait on me to go thru the cutscenes and I appreciate your patience x'D
That said, hard mode is not too much harder than normal mode imo. My friends struggled with The Last Knight and Distorted Mayors on normal roughly as much as I did on hard; they just got thru both faster because both had less HP.
I ran Heishou Rupture + KoD Rodya because that's all that I have; didn't use backups at any point. It's doable with any proper team though, and if you run something meta you don't need lvl55 uptie IV across the board. For normal mode my friends ran a full bleed team and "every Lob Corp/LoR E.G.O ID I have" team so variety is definitely possible here.
Last Knight was annoying (given I mostly have clashable counters) but not impossible. I hear it's just as annoying in Arknights so I am glad we all suffer together lmao.
Highly recommend bringing some Sinking into the dungeon unless you have good E.G.Os. (My only good E.G.O is Fluid Sac and I have accepted my spamming ways long ago lmao.) The boss stays at 45 SP every turn otherwise.
Unload your highest-damaging skills on Distorted Mayors once you break her shield and stagger her in phase 2. Breaking her shield is effectively a DPS check, by the way.
Also the ??? stages may be set, rather than randomized, from brief testing; I got the SP/protection and the defense lvl down gifts, but I think I'd have rather had the EGO resource regeneration (I dunno what the last gift is b/c my friend picked the wrong option for that one lmao.)
Also!! Got Hong Lu's E.G.O from my first 110 pulls, but nothing else. My friend of course got Gregor and Faust's on his 1st 10 pulls, we're both so jealous but also it's really funny b/c he's the only one who plays Arknights (fate again?? coincidence perhaps...) lmaooo. I'm hoping from my MD runs and the remaining hard mode Intervallos I have yet to clear, I'll gain enough ideality to get Faust's... or that I'll just get lucky. We'll find out!
I have my gripes with the limited nature so I don't want to spend money on this collab; I'd love more collabs in the future but not limited-time like this, so I'll put my money where my mouth is. At least most stuff should be catalogued on the wiki and YouTube for players who come after. I should make a wiki.gg account to contribute... April Fools is also fully limited like this (though they did add the fight in as a hidden boss for MDE) so it's not too surprising.
lord plz give me the strength to send that email, the determination to send that email, and the fortitude to send that email. or anyone really i'm not picky
