The Ashford theory and Jonnel/Sansa marriage is enough of an evidence that if it was about Jon/Daenerys no one would be having any doubt 😂😂 also I cannot help but notice how so much jonsa foreshadowing is tied in with rlj, as you said about baelor breakspear and rhaegar, there is also Sansa betrothed to the dragon's heir, Sansa covering herself in a snow white cloak stained with blood and fire, and the prince aemon thing. In the family tree of the Starks too, there is jonos Frey being the third son of Rhaegar Frey. So GRRM often does foreshadow both these together, it's just that people see what they want to see.
no, you're so right. the two theories are really like this:
jon hearing about bael the bard stealing a winter rose from winterfell juxtaposed with sansa flowering for the first time? ygritte, the one telling jon the story, sharing a variety of features with sansa? everyone and their dog trying to steal sansa, a stark maiden, just like lyanna was stolen by rhaegar? jon thinking of sansa as a willowy creature awaiting rescue in a tower, exactly as lyanna was awaiting rescue in the tower of joy after giving birth to jon? val, the princess in a tower he was considering when sansa entered his thoughts, magically changing her hair and eye color when she's standing next to ghost to resemble sansa? arianne, yet another princess in a tower, having a bastard for a lover?
the list goes on and on...
because the thing is, not only does jonsa as a theory have some pretty powerful evidence, it has an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it.
this is one of the things that always strikes me about people who dismiss the theory. you never see them going through the compiled evidence piece by piece before dismissing the theory as impossible. they'll only address a single piece of evidence at a time, come up with an explanation for why that one piece of evidence is actually referring to something else or means nothing, and then declare the entire theory debunked. it's basically a straw man tactic, pretending that a single piece of evidence is the entire theory.
alternatively, they will simply declare people who believe in the theory "delusional" or "lacking in reading comprehension" without offering a single piece of evidence to support this declaration. you could call this an ad hominem attack, but at least most ad hominem attacks will try to convince you with some sort of evidence. this is truly just a lack of willingness to engage with the theory with intellectual honesty.
something i'd love to see an asoiaf youtuber make is a video where they go through the jonsa evidence piece by piece and analyze it on its merits. people have made such videos for literally every other asoiaf theory out there, including pure crack theories like merman varys.
and yet, despite everyone being sooooo convinced that jonsa is equally crack-y and easy to disprove, no one is willing to truly sit down with all the evidence and debunk each point one by one. to me, it's obvious that that's because 1) the video would be insanely long because there is just so much evidence, and 2) they're afraid of realizing that the theory is credible and that they've been misinterpreting a lot of things for a long time.
tl;dr - rlj is real. jonsa is real. someone, anyone please make a convincing effort to change my mind!
Why are the Daynes so thankful to Ned (naming a son after him)/protective of the truth of Jon’s parentage? It boggles my mind that Ned was confident enough to leave them with at least some of the Daynes knowing the truth.
They obviously know the truth, indeed.
Ned shows up out of nowhere with a newborn and Arthur's sword, requiring a wetnurse. The man needs to offer some explanations and in any case it's kind of obvious, given Lyanna's corpse. They must have been the ones to lend him the manpower to accomplish the destruction of the Tower of Joy, the construction of the cairns, as well as the preparation of Lyanna's bones for travel. Also, said mentioned wetnurse. Wylla.
Now, what's their motivation for helping him? Lying for him? Just random loyalty to Rhaegar, whom Arthur served so loyally and senselessly?
Or possibly something else, related to Ashara's disappearance, and potentially the rescue of a different royal son, whose survival also needs to be kept quiet? A mutual pact of silence so important they will nickname their future heir after an honorable man? Why does Ned almost violently shut down any speculation about Ashara Dayne when Cat asks him about it? Why does he lie to distracted Robert, confirming the Wylla rumors, but refuses to tell that same lie to Jon and Cat, to whom this information is more relevant? What needs to be hidden about Starfall, from any potential investigation?
Isaac and Lily Grossman. The last name fits Isaac better than it fits Lily. Lore underneath if you're interested. There is probably equatorialian word mistakes and I'm sorry for that
Isaac. We hate him. Obviously. He was born into a very wealthy family with very many children so he got kind of lost in the shuffle being the youngest and constantly getting sick. But one lucky Christmas morning he He woke up to find a magical Jack in The box at the edge of his bed. Inside was Jack, And they quickly became best friends. Everything was great but sadly, suddenly all of his siblings began to die of a wasting disease...
It went on like that for years until it was just Isaac and Lily left. Their parents had tried everything to stop their kids from getting sick and dying but nothing seemed to work. So Isaac's father decided it was the house and sent him and Lily away to separate boarding schools in hopes to save his 2 remaining children from the strange illness. Isaac said Goodbye to laughing Jack promising he would return soon.
That did not happen. Isaacated boarding school with a passion and worse he began to hear strange voices from the woods. This all culminated in 1 day him getting so pissed that he snuck into the kitchen's stole a butcher's knife and chopped up every one in his dorm. Then he ran screaming Into the woods and was met with a tall faceless figure who offered him a deal. "Become my servant and you will have all the power you've ever wanted no one will ever call you small or weak or idiotic ever again" And Isaac took that deal graciously.
Isaac was suspected dead in the massacre with the rest of his classmates, as the bodies were in such disarray it was hard to tell who was who. Lily was the last sibling left and when her parents passed away (of a strange wasting disease), She and her husband and 3 children inherited the estate.
Meanwhile Isaac was living it up in the woods killing people, Life was fucking great until he turned 22. See slender man likes to refresh his proxies every 10 years or so and Isaac was beginning to realize he was aging out. He was getting too old for the slender man to use and he really didn't want to die or be pulled deep into the dark of the forest forever. So he did the only sensible thing. He stole a seer (Yes from the seer) book, And found out the only way to free himself was to have a relative crop off his hand, And bleed themselves to death.
Just kind of sauntered up to his old house and was like "hello sister I haven't seen since I was like 9, I need you to cut off my hand". Of course poor Lily was very confused but Isaac was very insistent, But if they didn't do this a horrible demon creature from the woods would rain hell upon her family. So Lily agreed and they planned to do it in Isaac's old room too. Too bad they forgot to lock the door because Lily's youngest daughter snuck in Found Jack's box and wounded up right as they were doing the ritual.
LJ is at first ecstatic to be out but gets very very mad when Isaac doesn't remember him. He gets even more mad when he finds out Isaac made a new friend (Signing himself over to be a proxy). In a blind Eldridge rage LJ nearly kills Isaac as he is still bleeding significantly because of the handgetting chopped off improperly. And then to make situation even worse as Isaac is bleeding outhe other proxies find him and dragged him screaming Into the woods as Lily is able to trick LJ into getting back in the box.
After experiencing her first run in with the horrors of the supernatural Lily, Decides to hide Lj's box deep deep in the attic of their mansion And also covers up any mention of Isaac ever existing in their family records as she does not want to be connected to such a Monster. She teaches her children never ever to touch that box and they teach their children but over time it is forgotten and becomes just a myth. In poor LJ rots in his box, Until a 21st century boy named William finds him by accident.
As for Isaac. He disobeyed the master and got a fitting punishment. They locked him in a closet In the mansion, He still alive but his body is nothing but bones and Modified skin. He cannot speak and he's long since given up hope of moving. The only thing that ever happens to him is someone occasionally ignoring the "warning skeleton don't let him out, we don't like him" sign on his closet door and walking in to get something. But he still has the knowledge from the Seers book. He's kept it tight in his memory all these years. Because 1 day someone will make the mistake of leaving the door open and he can find a relative, And do the rich roll again this time correctly freeing him from his curse of eternal life.
How does Rainbow Jack feel about kisses/hugs? Would he mind if I gave him a kiss on the nose? :oO
Go right ahead, friend!
Unlike the Grump, RJ actually likes giving/receiving affection .3.
But here you go, @sweetpayaso, I hope you don't mind that I drew your oc/self-insert Caketopper. I thought since yall are married anyway, I'll consider this your wedding gift
I also have a blank one if anyone is interested in drawing their ocs with my Jack, and you can @ me when you're done, and I'll repost and share it here!
