#sdv discussion

[wt555]

I'm seeing a lot of people shit on Clint now that the new marriage candidates are revealed. And I kinda get it. His whiny "I don't know how to get a gf ohhh woe is me" thing annoys me, as someone who doesn't understand the obsession of getting a partner (since I'm happy with being by myself). Self pity like that annoys me, but I guess I kinda get it...dude doesn't seem to have a social life. Maybe he thinks a girlfriend will fix that, but I doubt it will.

However, I don't necessarily think that makes Clint an incel, but he does have the capacity of going down that route, should someone want that in their fanfic or whatever.

As far as I remember, he didn't stalk Emily during the bush scene, he got scared and hid behind the bush so Emily wouldn't see him? Maybe I'm misremembering but I swear that's how it happened. He does seem a little petty though (8 heart scene with Emily, when he congratulated you for winning her over or something).

At that point I was like "dude fuck off", merely because I was already married to Shane and I was not interested in cheating on him with Emily lmao. He's very socially stunted from what I can tell, and it's not doing him ANY favors... He should use the Fridays he has off to go and talk to people instead of being at the community center all day imo.

So anyway, I don't think he's as evil as people make him out to be, but I won't say that he's a cutie patootie. If you like him, good on you, I know what it's like to like a hated character. Still, I find Clint annoying...stop whining to me about being bitchless, dude... I do not care. It just reminds me of my amino days, when weird dudes complained about being single to me, in hopes I'd change that for them somehow... I guess that's my issue, though I don't want him to die for it. Just kinda want him to shut up and learn to talk to girls normally lol

[itsbansheebitch]

We should probably talk about Elliot

So... I feel like there are three types of opinions when it comes to Elliot. I usually see some version of the same three points depending on the person.

Elliot is boring (This is fine, honestly I'd like to see his character fleshed out more with some of the new dialogue coming, but that's not a guarantee.)

Elliot is the Ideal ManTM & Can do No WrongTM (I understand where people are coming from with this, but I also understand why people disagree. yes I AM going to be a fence sitter on this one)

Elliot is alright, but I HATED the boat heart event.

I'd like to discuss the third opinion. Because I'm an Elliot fan and I COMPLETELY understand why people (even Elliot fans/stans, and myself at first) HATE this heart event. Having a guy row you both out to sea in a tiny rowboat with no one around and kissing you without asking is a fairly major red flag.

It shows that he sometimes oversteps boundaries, even if he doesn't mean to. However, I'd like to argue that this is NOT a deal breaker. Let's break it down. Elliot, in the context of the game, is a person. And people are flawed. they make mistakes. I think this event actually goes to show that he's a well-rounded character.

He has flaws. He (sometimes) breaks boundaries, and if you say your uncomfortable, he says, "I see" and you get -50 Friendship points. This shows that he doesn't take criticism super well AND could imply that he kisses you spontaneously because he's so isolated in his cabin with only BOOKS (fiction, probably some sort of romance included) as his entertainment. He probably didn't even realize that what he did was wrong. It is NOT an excuse, but it IS an explanation!

I'm just saying this to say that I think Elliot is actually a well-rounded character with flaws, and if this happened in real life, you could probably talk it out and understand each other's point of view, thus mending the (metaphorical) lost "friendship points."

I actually think this heart event adds MORE to his character rather than taking away from it. I mean, Stardew Valley is not unfamiliar with flawed characters! Alex can be kinds misogynistic if you play as a girl, Clint is a LITERAL incel, and Shane & George are pretty big assholes when you first meet them. Elliot just has a different kind of character flaw, one that we don't usually see in media.

HOWEVER, I understand if after this you still don't like the heart event and/or Elliot. I respect your opinion and I think we can all still be civil even if we disagree. I just appreciate that we all have wildly different experiences when we play the game. I only recently started playing the game and I love how passionate this community is. Hope ya'll enjoyed this long winded rant! :)