#sinners discourse

[aellesa]

When people hate on Sinners I can't help but take it personally. Ryan gave us such a personal movie infusing all he loves into it.

When speaking with me please don't compare it to anything because to me it's just in a league of its own. I love it so much 😭

[lemonypops]

Okay, but like unpopular opinion: WARNING, YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS AND IF YOU TRY ME YOU WILL BE BLOCKED!! PERIOD⚠️

As a black Sinners fan sometimes I feel really torn about the whole Remmick discourse on here. Sometimes I agree with some points people make while other times I literally roll my eyes because are we being so serious? Like…some of yall are truly chronically online, wannabe social justice warriors and musty wannabe morally superior losers. Like I’m sorry I had to say it. Like the way some of yall be on here fucking with people because they like something that you don’t really BLOWS my mind.

How are yall mad because people walked out the theater and simp for Remmick more and fixate on him more than other characters??? Like, okay, yeah I get it. Sinners is a deep black story about oppression, colonization, culture vultures and stuff but like….yall act like people can’t understand that and like what they like. Not to mention it’s hella black people on here who like Remmick, not just white people and yall still be mad talking about some, “omg why is there so many Remmick fanfics under the sinners tag” well because people like him. He’s a likable character just like many of the other characters.

Then don’t even get me started on people harassing others for certain ships. Like okay yeah I don’t ship it either but is harassing them really the answer??? No!!! LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE!!! Bring back fandom etiquette!!! Yall be grown asf messing with people. Don’t yall have jobs? Girlfriends? Boyfriends? SHIT, FRIENDS?? Get off the internet and take a hike cause it’s never that serious. Yes, many of us despise the ship but that doesn’t give us the right to straight up harass them. Let them enjoy their little ships. There’s a reason why blocking exist. Not to mention you can deadass mute tags, god some of yall are lame asf!!

Anyways, if you take offense to this then honestly you’re probably young and dumb, or either just an insufferable grown ass adult who needs to grow up. And don’t hit me with that, “oh you like Sammie x Remmick” because no I don’t. But I do like Remmick a LOT and yall ain’t gonna shame my black ass for it tf!

okay, bye now thanks for joining me in my small little ted talk, peace out ✌🏾

[overzealouszeitgeist]

Stack is described as a dandy, but let’s take that a step further. His dandyism comes from his boy wonderness or his natural charm. In real life, I imagine stack to have a little gap in between his two front teeth to accompany his gold tooth. The nickname “stack”, probably comes from his ability to get money or his desire to have a lot of it. He wants to “stack” his paper. “Stack” can also mean he revels in access, meaning that he wants more always. Stack is also the sweetheart of the two, so his need for access bleeds over into his expression of love and other emotions. We don’t see stack in love, but we do see his love and compassion for others (ie Sammie, Delta Slim, perhaps Smoke). I think stack is enamored by the idea of more and is what drives him back home. Finally, stack’s appearance is excessive. His wearing a pinstriped suit, a vest, a horizontal pinstriped shirt, two gold tie clips, several rings, cuff links I’m sure, a hat and red shoes to match. He’s dressed to the nines as reflective by his personality, and I think that’s what makes stack, stack. When talking about rituals, I think this is his, and who would he be without it?

[saudad3]

The ultimate woobification of Remmick and other white characters of Sinners needs to be studied and put in a psychology textbook somewhere,,,, some of yall would write fics about literal klan members if they were hot enough.

[mollygrass]

Welp, I just got done tearing up an anti on my page who thought it was sweet. Lemme say this and yall listen clearly. Stop pressing people cause they wanna write Remmick x reader fanfics. Some of yall are so insufferable it makes my tummy ache. Like someone literally was in MY COMMENTS hounding me cause I decided to crack a joke about a Remmick fanfic I wrote. Like I’m so sick of people being mad cause we like something that they don’t.

“You guys are missing the point of the movie.”

“Why are there so many Remmick fanfics?”

Like…..one everyone knows the meaning of the movie. Two, people like Remmick!!! What’s wrong with that??? Why is it so bad that we like a fine ass white man??? I understand calling out people who wrote weird things like plantation daughter or kkk member, but people who simply like Remmick getting harassed is crazy!!! I’m talking this girl literally tagged me in a whole separate post on her page FIRST. Then got mad when I tagged her back clocking her!!

This is why I barely associate with fandom spaces now because people lack fandom etiquette. God forbid you like something else that they deem bad when it’s not even bad. I’m so sick and tired of this nonsense.

At this point I’m just gonna block people cause I’m drained. I’m sick of yall think pieces and I’m sick of the harassment. Touch grass and stop policing people online, you’re a grown ass adult btw…get a job and if you’re so free with extra time on your hands get another one because you need it!!

Now if anyone else wants that smoke I got it and it will be the block button—congratulations you will be on the block party with all the other obsessed weirdo haters if so!!💁🏾‍♀️

[stvlti]

4 weirdest takes I've seen from Sinners audiences so far:

Remmick is a White Coloniser (he's an Irishman who would've been killed by the klan at the time if they knew his ancestry; nevertheless yes he was still perpetuating the colonial, imperialistic violence that he'd suffered from against native and black communities he didn't belong to. racial violence begets more racial violence because of the way the system is set up to incentivise oppression.)

Remmick was building a liberal, egalitarian community (he was forcing marginalised black and Chinese folks to assimilate into his "post racial" world order where whiteness - as a cultural hegemony - subsumed all cultures)

Remmick wasn't speaking Chinese (Toisanese was one of the many Chinese dialects used especially in the Delta region)

Mary is a white woman who can't be trusted (she was what was historically called a mulatto*; the whole point of including her character is to comment on the anti-miscegenation laws that were still in place at the time of which she's a victim) (*) edit: actually since she's got a black grandfather, her mom's a "mulatto" and she would be considered a "quadroon"; much thanks to those who corrected me in the replies

I need more viewers especially WASP viewers to get educated before they open their mouths

[faestunna]

Okay wait can I add to the grace and remmick discussion:

My take on the whole line was the timing of it. They had literally just threatened to go take her daughter and now this random white demon is on her doorstep with her dead husband sexually harassing her. I feel like that also adds to the stakes. That’s one of the main reasons I could NEVER hate grace. This man is using her husband’s memories to threaten her daughter and sexualize her. If this is remmick approach to her you can only imagine what grace was thinking they would do to her daughter.

Grace girl they could never make me hate you

exactly!! by threatening her daughter, grace had every reason to believe that remmick would go to the town and kill everyone. what she did was maybe a dick move, but people who say she could’ve just gone outside clearly did not understand that EVERYONE else in juke joint was stopping her from doing so. nobody else had their child threatened like she did, so i don’t wanna see anybodyyyy talking like they’ve been in her shoes.

and i’ve seen a lot of people say grace didn’t understand community bc she turned her back on the people inside the juke. baby she was trying to save her daughter and the whole town, if that’s not caring about community idk what is!!

[so-what-then]

The Grace Chow discourse is just an excuse for people to fixate on the bizarre narrative about unique “tensions” between Asian (or so called “East Asians”) and Black communities that emerged post-LA riots, a narrative started by white people more than anyone.

The film itself doesn’t do that at all lol.