#snake primary model

[wisteria-lodge]

Hi ! How do we know if we built a snake primary model for one person ?

Because they feel like the exception. 'This is how I normally go through the world, how my morals usually are. But this one person... is special.'

When I played Mass Effect I did a Lion primary, Snake primary model Shep. Which boiled down to 'Paragon, but what Garrus wants Garrus gets.'

[dragonsaredorks]

How do you tell the difference between a bird primary with a snake primary model vs an actual snake primary?

Context: Hello everyone! @wisteria-lodge asked the shc community if we would like to help answering some asks, and a number of us volunteered, so this is a reply to one of those asks.

Bird primary with a Snake primary model here! I guess the difference is that the Bird learned the Snake from somewhere, like from a group/family culture or a loved one. Meanwhile, for a full-scaled Snake primary, putting yourself and your People first is much more instinctual. Personally, I also have a good amount of reasoning behind when and why unquestioning loyalty is good, which I wouldn't be surprised if that's Bird primary thing.

[magpie-of-a-birb]

Is it possible to be a lion with snake like loyalty built in your moral compass?

For context: Wisteria asked the community if we'd like to answer some asks to get to them more quickly, and I (among others) volunteered. And, quite frankly, she sent this one to one of the most opinionated best people regarding its content, because

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely

I have a snake primary model that works in conjunction with my lion primary, but even without it, I've got plenty of snake baked into my system.

When it's just the lion-with-snake-morals, it comes off as more of a champion to me - I keep to my word, I was given responsibility over these people when in this role, and I will take care of them. Wisteria has actually talked about that flavor of loyalty here, and I completely agree with it, but that's not the only kind.

The snake morals baked into my system, on the other hand, are much more immediate to me. It's for the people I love, the people I chose, and it doesn't activate until one of them needs help. I can't always tell if it's the snake primary model or the snake-baked-into-lion because it's such an core part of me that it'd be difficult to untangle. It reaches into some of the instinctive drives - to care for, to protect - that feel almost feral. Those people are mine and I want them to live full, happy lives doing whatever will bring them satisfaction. I want them to be free and safe; anything that truely threatens that is one of the few things that would bring me to the point of honest-to-god-fury.

I would be surprised if this was exclusive to lions and snakes, but when looking at these things within myself, they're inextricably intertwined.

TL;DR: yeah, it's entirely possible to have loyalist primary ideals baked into a lion primary's moral compass

[sevilemar]

So I was wondering if I was a snake or bird primary, and I saw this on @wisteria_lodges blog: “if you’re a Bird, that loyalty is going to feel a bit like an *exception* to the rule. Like this person gets a slightly different set of rules” which OMG I FELT THIS. But I feel like I have too many exceptions lmao. Like (if I count) I have 4 exceptions? That seems like a lot to me? Another note: isn’t it a snake thing to have a tier list of your important people? Because I do that and that doesn’t seem bird to melol

Sounds to me like you're a bird with a snake system or a snake model, nonny. Congratulations, you get bits of both, which is awesome!

[ten-of-imps]

Just don't mind me, I'm going to whine for a bit.

I think I have burned snake primary something. Its burned cause I don't know what live is. Care, respect, mutual liking - yes. But actual love - no. An annoying immature badger secondary model is at play here too. These both suckers think that people always have something to get from a relationship that's why they are here, that's why they keep going. Loyalty? Love? No. People Bus more than capable to thwor you under a bus and they will do that and I might do that too as I have no loyalty to people and in the end, my own well being is so important to me.

I don't think I'm aro. I just don't think love exists. Do I love my family? Idk, but I care about them, but there are things I won't let go off. Friends are just fellow passengers, we travel along and then go with our lives and then the best that you can express your care is asking them How's their day been, how's their family and work. That's not love, or loyalty. It's too little to keep th in yorr mind passively through the day. You care about them, but do you love them? Also, friendship and loyalty? Who was so lucky to get these two together in one package?

And the partner thing? That's even worst cause you're not only supposed to show your vulnerable side, live with this person you choose because of your brain chemistry, but also tolerate them and play some kind of a role for them. How can these two, being who you are and being loved for that and playing a role for someone else can go together?

I'm glad for those loyalists who found love, I really am. I'm jealous but glad and I truly wish you the best. I want that too, but nothing in me or around me sais it exists. So whatever my snake primary is, a primary or a model, its burned, closed off, wishing but too realistic, and sadly filled by too much of idealised dreams of what might happen and how it's possible.

[wisteria-lodge]

SO ive been pretty sure that I’m a bird primary- but something that doesn’t quite fit is i have these 2 people (the highest on the “my people” tier list lol) that I would move Heaven and earth for (which sounds pretty snake?) but I’m pretty sure I’m an external primary? So what does this mean? Snake model? 2 exceptions to my bird primary idealism? I also adore your blog btw, makes my day much more fun!

Thank you. :) Think you answered your own question here - this sure sounds like a Snake model. 

(I’m reminded of when I played Mass Effect, and my morality ended up being ‘Paragon, but what Garrus Wants Garrus Gets.) 

[wisteria-lodge]

Would you hide a body for your family and friends ?

Well, “hiding” is for things you want to find again later ;) 

I have a Snake Primary model for my sister, and if she came to me with a dead body then I’d help, no questions asked. But there are... other people who I would cheerfully call the cops on myself. 

I gave this this a good think, and honestly - I’d probably be sort of annoyed that the crime wasn’t pre-meditated. Like, are you serious, you let the situation get so bad that you had no choice but too kill the guy in a fit of self-defense and/or rage? Seriously? If this person was this much of a problem, you should have let me know sooner. We could have gotten you an alibi, made sure we had enough evidence to beat this in court, maybe given blackmail a shot. You don’t even know the status of this guy’s will, that’s important. How about life insurance? 

Which is a very Lion/Badger (Bird model) answer. 

[wisteria-lodge]

If a Bird primary has baked Snake into their system, rather than being a response to important Snakes in their life, could it be because they've decided objectivity is impossible and we must make our own subjective meaning and people are a valid and reasonable means of doing so?

Yes. Also, that is the single most Bird Primary thing I have ever read.