What did you think of the interaction between Azazel and Lucifer? to me I love, Azazel not 100% submissive to Lucifer the truth I did not expect it, Lucifer's expression before striking Azazel is like I do not want to do it? to me it seemed to me and the expression of Azazel is like "you hit me" although that may be my idea and that Azazel's punishment for his lack of respect is just a blow to the face? curious. I wish I could see them together more time I want more of them
I also want more of them! :D
their interaction is totally like I always imagined them to be, and I had to check I wasnt dreaming or something and that luci/aza scene was not just inside my head lulz
I totally think that bookslap is just lucifer’s version of love tap or something haha
this is esp bcs he uses a book instead of his actual fist or his magic to blow azazel away; he’s wearing a gauntlet/protective armor, and it would hurt a lot more if he actually uses his hand.
but using a book gives a much lighter blow, and it doesn’t actually do much to azazel other than making him fall; shocked and a bit lost, but definitely unhurt.
the book hits azazel’s cheek, but his cheeks are totally unhurt and unmarked, not even a single blemish could be found.
srsly, with that much difference in their physical power, if he really wants to punish azazel, he could do a hell of a lot more damage.
yet he chooses his book to hit him with, which for him probably only counts as ‘teasing’ and not actual punishment.
also pls look at lucifer’s smile here:
this is the joyous happy smile of someone whose fav person has finally come back to his side.
the guy couldn’t even pretend to be mad at him for more than 0.05 second.
also when he snapped at Lucifer, azazel switched from polite speech to uh what you’d call punk speech probably, very informal, like the way delinquent speaks, and this is NO WAY to speak to your superior.
if it’s another demon and not azazel, lucifer probably would have straight out exiled or killed them.
(if the worried demon general from ep15 heard this, he’d have a heart attack probably lulz)
speaking of lucifer’s expression before he hits him, I think rather than thinking I do not want to do it, i’m pretty sure he’s actually just trying to hold back and not show how much he missed his misbehaving right hand man ;-)
this is esp the moment azazel appears, he actually looks up from his book.
while in ep15, the whole time his generals talking, he stays glued to his book, and only when azazel’s name comes up he actually looks up.
conclusion: azazel could steal his attention just by existing <3
in regard to demons being paid now instead of being slaves: isn't it actually only because the humans do not have any other choice?
the green stone was all destroyed during bahamut fiasco/onyx soldiers pretty much perished.
MEANING:
humans no longer have any sure way to control the demons
so if they don't attempt to release or pay the demons now, the demons would just riot and cause another rebellion.
so really, the demons are no longer slaves not bcs the humans are suddenly *kind*
it’s pretty much just another way to control the demons
the demons who are too used to not being paid probably only accept this kind of treatment now bcs they’re too long in slavery and only remember how to live like this.
What do you think of the ending of vs? For me it was disgusting they gave a happy ending to a genocidal king and put him as a hero, is offensive for his victims. Jeanne ans Mugaro didn't deserved this treatment, and the Genesis cast didn't deserved all this OOCness to benefit the romance.
it was… meh.
just let this anime be a dance anime
ultimately I think Virgin Soul uses false advertising
i wish they’d change the introduction to the series in the official site;
instead of saying bla bla bla conflict demons gods humans three races, they should’ve just changed it to bla bla bla Nina the cheerful village girl…in order to find true love…must defeat bahamut…..
at least then the ending, which actually totally ignored the war in order to further the romance, would actually make sense
also whoever wrote ep23-24 obviously never watched ep1-4 or have erased the eps from their memories
fine, I *might* have thrown some profanity loudly at the screens during certain scenes while I was watching it the first time
but now I’ve reached the state of zen, where nothing about it can touch me anymore
hopefully
tho something kept nagging at me, something about chari being blind and nina being mute now, like I’ve heard/read it somewhere before…
and I was right; it was from the book The Blind Assassin by Margaret Atwood
excerpt from chapter Red Brocade:
Touch comes before sight, before speech. It is the first language and the last, and it always tells the truth.
This is how the girl who couldn’t speak and the man who couldn’t see fell in love.
I wonder if it’s just coincidence?
I certainly hope this isn’t a homage to Ms Atwood’s novel tho, bcs wow what an insult it would be, considering the context of nina and chari compared to the two characters in the book.
also, ngl but during the scene above, I kept expecting the rag demon to come out of the shadow and slit his throat.
It wouldn’t be a perfect ending, but it certainly would be a better ending than the one we’ve got.
Also about everyone getting paired off:
admittedly i just noticed this since I kept my slash google on and refused to see Sofi/Jeanne getting broken up for the sake of *bacchus*
but like
the priorities tho
instead of using precious screentime to explain more about the relationship between 3 races now, this shows uses it to pair everyone off, bcs off course :’)
just bcs the protags are happily in hetero relationship, it means other charas must also be in love with the opposite sex too, no in between, no friendship, no nothing
also, it could be what the writer nina meant by ‘forbidden love’ is not necessarily romeo/juliet love thing, but more the kind of love you keep to yourself and not telling other ppl about
e.g. nina/chari - they don’t say to other ppl who they really like
rita/kai - she can’t tell anybody about him, can never tell another soul they’re together now
sofi/bacchus - god/exiled god
jeanne/azazel - demon/holy maiden
amira/favaro - he never tells another soul that he’s looking for her still
I mean lmao, at this point, i kinda expected the writers to also pull a Gabriel/Lucifer ship while they’re at it
idk, i guess i’m still bitter :’)
what’s the meaning of Mugaro’s existence then?
Gabriel: you’re born to save the world
Bacchus: you’re born as a gift to your mother from your father
Mugaro: *gets killed before doing anything*
In relation to Jeanne, at least it looked like Mugaro existed for the sake of returning Jeanne status as holy maiden and making her stand in battlefield again
this is the girl who hasn’t stopped losing ppl since genesis, whose life keeps revolving around battlefield, never taking a break
and what did she get in the end?
her son buried six feet under while the one person responsible for making her life hell gets a happy ending
I won’t speak about azazel here since I feel I already speak about him often enough
but Lucifer’s shiny golden eyes bothered me greatly
it just looks…cheap…to me
I man, just look at genesis ep12, he managed to look majestic and powerful without his eyes needing to change colors and all
also another thing: it bothers me that during ep21 Lucifer uses pronoun boku - kimi for pronoun I and you, instead of the usual watashi - omae, which he used in all three fallen angel brothers skits, and which is also his default in SnB game.
this esp stands out bcs there’s a fallen angel brother skit at the end of ep21
so obviously, whoever wrote the eps do not write the script for the previews
it’s… probably nothing big, but hearing lucifer uses boku/kimi is just… uhhhh he sounds kind of young-ish instead of ancient
speaking of, in gbf, lucio also uses watashi
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
chari getting lauded as hero is just funny to me
like, didn’t these ppl realize chari was the one who purposely brought bahamut to anatea???
if bahamut stayed in ebos maybe the destruction to anatea wouldn’t be as severe???
i like to think luci lost two wings between genesis and virgin soul and became less shiny because he was attacked when cocytus fell. he barely survived, so he stayed hidden.
Personally I’m non believer of this ‘lucifer barely survived’ view bcs it implies:
he’s a real coward who only puts his own being first and foremost, and doesn’t care about the demons in general;
he’s scared of a puny little human with borrowed powers;
he stays hidden bcs he’s afraid of being hurt again, so he lets all the other demons out there be hurt instead.
basically, it implies lucifer is nothing more than a selfish, scared little coward
(considering the way virgin soul didn’t bother to give an explanation on how chari defeat cocytus/lucifer, it’s clear this is also how the show wanted us to think too.)
while I do think Lucifer is rather apathetic in general, he’s not exactly selfish, and he does care about what happens in the demon world.
also from the way he behaves in ep23, it’s clear he still has his powers intact, he still has his immortality, he still has his confidence.
he clearly says that the reason he doesn’t make a move is bcs he doesn’t want more death on the demons’ side, and I guess this makes sense - bcs he’s thinking more of the demons in general instead of himself.
although this also kinda opens up the question: why doesn’t he just make a move by himself then, like he did in genesis?
is it bcs he would totally wipe out anatea and the humans in a second no sweat, and therefore there would be no story left to tell?
during ep12 in genesis, cerberus told favaro she got involved bcs Lucifer specifically told her to go help Azazel; so while Cerb might have helped bcs Lucifer ordered it, I don’t think it’s the case with the likes of Hades, who was a high ranking demon all in his own right.
also while Lucifer is indeed Satan’s second, he’s also the Leader of Fallen Angel Army ™, and a friction between this Army (who were former gods) and general *natural* demons does exist. Simply put, he may be the leader in title, but he’s not actually in control of all demons.
Kinda hoped virgin soul would actually touch demons politics, but alas, I was naive for thinking the writer cares even one wit about the demons or the demons dynamics beyond making them disposable plot device. After all, the reason chari enslaved and attacked cocytus is still left unexplained and forgotten.
in my ep15 post, i kinda listed things lucifer seems to be missing in virgin soul compared to his appearance in genesis.
but while his wings appear to be tiny in ep15, in ep21, 23, and 24, his wings regain their enormous size, even if it’s still only a pair and not as majestic as in genesis.
if you want to keep it strictly canon, then it implies Lucifer could actually adjust the size of his wings at will - small and tiny when he just wants to chill in his room, and big and enormous when he wants to appear dramatic intimidating. It’s probably also the case with his other 4 wings, that he could conveniently make them appear and disappear at will.
but if you want to talk about the meta, then well, the wings’ disappearance is simply to make it easy on the animators; after all, they did complain in the official artbook how it was such a pain to draw lucifer’s enormous six wings - which was why he barely moved in genesis, and only the camera moving over him instead.
about how he appears less shiny, it’s also more to do with the technical part instead of the actual canon; just look at the 2nd op; in ep14 when it first appears, lucifer is still shiny, but by the time ep20 rolls around, he already loses his shine in the op.
idk why they decided to edit the 2nd op, but it just speaks of how inconsistent this anime is.
WARNING: nothing but salt in here, so if you think this ep is good and it makes you happy, do yourself a favor and scroll past please.
This ep post is divided into four parts:
the good part
the salt is real for azazel part
charioce the fragile baby bird part
tl;dr part
now
1. ON THE GOOD PART
first of all, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BOTHERING TO CARE ABOUT AZAZEL, KAISAR
currently you (and the grandpa demon chief from ep15) seem to be the only one to do so.
haha…ha… /cries
I guess I should just be thankful that kaisar at least mentioned his name, considering in ep10, 11, 12, 13, 14 not only he doesn’t get to appear, none seems to remember his name or his existence at all.
(bacchus and hamsa too seem to be forgotten, while we’re at it)
Also dang favaro looks so hot this ep? And considerably older. Something about him is just cool all over, but cool in that fun uncle whom you like to play with way, not cool cold way.
You have no idea how happy it makes me to see his armpit hair is still there hoho
Also favaro says that azazel’s not there since morning… meaning Azazel’s actually an early morning person???
That’s… unexpected lmao
I kinda thought with his being demon and also his vampire complexion, he’d have a vampire habit of sleeping in the day and be awake in the night.
But then again, he does have a job as an undertaker in the stadium, so uh, sorry for doubting your dedication azazel! Just because you’re a demon who seems used to being spoiled and egoist, doesn’t mean you’re lazy!
…why does he have to disappear just after he agrees to work together with kaisar in ep before? Doesn’t it look like he goes back on his words??? Show why you keep doing this to him yo
Well
Rita is actually good with make up and costumes. Color me surprised, bcs her doctor outfit is so…. baggy. But I guess attending patients are easier in such outfits compared to her casual ones lol
Meanwhile on heaven, a new ship is officially born
Sofiel really just says that, while fully knowing bacchus fell from grace bcs he chased after a human girl.
El officially has two moms now, aren’t you happy El >/////<
Speaking of El, nobody calls him El on earth, so probably even if azazel’s here, he would still not know that El is mugaro’s real name.
I was kinda hoping mugaro and nina are still in each other’s clothes by the time they meet azazel just to see his reaction to it and confirm what his reaction in ep7 actually was, but alas, since azazel’s not even shown at all, might as well have them back in their own clothes.
/bitter
Kaisar formally introducing himself to mugaro is weird bcs well, haven’t they met before? Countless times? Maybe not at night while azazel’s doing his rag demon routine, but during azazel’s job at the stadium? And during ep8?
But then maybe mugaro being jeanne’s kid makes a difference?
This part makes me a bit confused bcs all this time, I thought Kaisar’s actually aware of azazel being in Anatea (from the start maybe, bcs rita, so at least two years?), he just doesn’t realize until ep1 that the rag demon is azazel. And if he’s known azazel in the city for two years at least, he should’ve noticed mugaro’s existence, since mugaro hardly ever leaves azazel’s side, be it night or day.
Also, how long azazel’s been in anatea anyway? It should be more than two years, but none mentions it so far right? Even grandpa demon chief from ep15 just says azazel going away alone without any time modifier.
And yes, hamsa in that vest is cute <3
…now on to the hard part:
2. THE SALT IS REAL FOR AZAZEL
First of all, let me make it clear: I don’t care who ends up with who in the show; that’s what fics and fanworks are for.
and I know I keep repeating this, but from the start, I actually already expected nina and chari to end up together, so them ending up together, now, does not surprise me.
What surprised me is the way they (the writers) go to achieve it: which is by consistently undermining a “love rival” or another character (azazel) in order to make chari (the true love interest) looks good in comparison.
And this is… just so very painful for me as azazel’s fan.
I already wrote a bit about how azanina scenes in those early eps were actually foreshadowing for charinina plot, and it happens again in this ep.
Just compare the difference in the way the anime shows azanina and charinina interaction; same street, same place, but chari is a charming playful gentleman who ends up taking nina in a ‘romantic’ gateaway while azazel is a pushy jerkass who ends up on his ass in a comical position courtesy of rita’s punch.
Also pls compare these lines:
Those two lines technically commenting the same thing: meeting and reacting to each other.
And while Azazel’s line is more matter of fact and had a sense of inevitability to it, like “what happened happened and let’s just accept it and move on to do something about it”,
Chari’s line is unnecessarily more dramatic, and also more romantic, bcs wow how he makes nina sound so special and like she’s the only one, like he’s blaming fate or whatever, while at the same time confirming why yes fate is the one who makes us meet; if only fate isn’t so cruel blah blah blah
Sorry if I sound so skeptic bcs honestly I’m just… skeptic.
Like, wtf dude who are you? Who is this emo ooc parading around in charioce’s shoes? I don’t know him.
He has never showed sign of being emo even once during the whole 16 eps and then suddenly this??? yeah right.
But back to that line, I won’t blame nina if she falls for chari’s words hook, line and sinker bcs she always seems to be drunk in love in her own separate world and at first glance chari’s words is totally romantic – if you like your man dramatic.
So… to sum it up, from nina’s perspective (and what the show wants you to see it as)
Azazel: matter of fact pushy jerkass with no romantic bone whatsoever to his body
Charioce: romantic charming guy with romantic confession and is kind to kids.
Haha ha…. /bitter
AZAZEL DESERVES BETTER THAN TO BE A FODDER FOR CHARININA PLOTLINE
/phew
There I said it.
Just, you know, it seems everything azanina did is eventually going to be done also by charinina, except in a way that’s much cooler and romantic; and this is not bcs of chari or azazel’s characterization itself, but bcs the *show* needs and intends for chari to look better compared to azazel.
It’s in *the way* they show it, and not the act itself that actually really matters.
Personally, I hate how, bcs of Nina’s romantic and obvious shoujo manga view of her world, in the show Azazel’s treated like a persistent former boyfriend once ep6 rolls around and chari appears for real; like he’s suddenly being broken up by nina even tho 1) they’re not lovers in the first place, 2) he never shows romantic interest in her.
And honestly, I could understand azanina shippers’s frustration with the show’s current progress, bcs up to ep4, they have the most interaction and nina’s reactions to him is so very… leading, to say the least. Add to it the show’s marketing and main visual w/ nina surrounded by four guys, it seems at least azazel and chari had the same chance with her. (fava already has Amira and kai has rita, so they’re just not available to nina)
But then by ep5, it seems the whole 4eps doesn’t happen and azazel’s just mugaro’s boyfriend/brother/guardian aka *just* nina’s acquaintance, nothing more.
Add again to it the fact that nina doesn’t even seem to remember azazel exists ever since ep10 until now ep17. Not once does she ever wonder about how he’s doing, despite how she feels guilty over him in ep8.
Even taking the shipping issue aside, it’s just not good overall for nina’s characterization to forget about him and her guilt so easily, bcs that means once the ‘problem’ is no longer in front of her, she instantly forgets about it. That makes her so… flighty, easily distracted, and just…unreliable, to say the least. And seems unsympathetic toward others.
I’m not saying what happened to azazel is her fault; it’s completely his and his fault only.
I’m saying it’s important to follow up on her guilt and explore it a little perhaps, and not just act like it never happens, bcs she *did* say she feels sorry for what happened in ep8.
I *did* like azanina’s interaction more than charinina’s even though I didn’t ship them romantically.
But now (or more precisely, ever since that hot spring scene w/ nina and Jeanne) I just want nina to stay faaaaaaar away from Azazel.
esp since even if he meets her again, he's only going to be used for yet another charinina fodder and example how he's such a jerkass loser while chari is a charming romanticist anyway
GIVE HIM A BREAK, SHOW, GDI
I understand her head is full of charioce or something but the fact she COMPLETELY forgets about azazel despite their past interaction and what happened between them and how they saved each other at least once is just… haha… ha…
You know, if this pattern continues, nina’s actually going to forget about charioce too the moment another hot looking guy pays attention to her for a bit probably haha
So yeah.
I read someone says azazel has his own story and Nina has her own story, and that they just doesn’t care about nina’s. I AGREE COMPLETELY.
Indeed azazel and nina (and chari too tbh) have their own story, but while azazel & charioce’s story happens in the same line, Nina’s story while seems to happen in the same world, just doesn’t connect to their story at all (so far anyway, yes, even tho it’s 17th ep already).
3. CHARIOCE THE FRAGILE BABY BIRD (according to nina)
First of all, boo hoo, wtf why is she still getting red-faced by kaisar? I thought she already has her true love in charioce and no other man would do, but then kaisar appears and she’s suddenly back to her old self?
(esp when azazel no longer does it for her???)
Hamsa’s line makes it clear tho: that red-faced scene is done purely for comedy and not for any consistency or plot-relevant thing. If you’re trying to be consistent, show, then try to show her character development instead, her who is no longer easily blushing anymore. I thought this is already an established plot point, but apparently not, and it irks me greatly.
And that’s actually the biggest flaw in the show: the show is mainly story-driven and not character-driven, and for the sake of advancing plot, it sacrifices many things, including any consistency in Nina’s characterization.
I won’t be commenting much on the discomfort watching Chari & Nina playing with the demon kids bcs other ppl already covered that better than me.
But I’d like to point out the discomfort of watching Nina treating Charioce like some kind of fragile baby bird.
I’m just. WHUT.
In this ep, even tho he IS the king who enslaves and kills and destroys these demons, she’s more worried about HIS well-being than the demons who have no way of fighting back if he ever tries to attack them.
GURL PLS.
She worries about HIS clothes even though the demons kids’ clothes are far from being fit.
She screams when she sees the ball is a skull but shows no reaction at all to how HE naturally plays ball with said skull like nothing amiss, like he’s used to seeing skulls.
She trusts HIM instantly even though technically she is a fugitive and he’s the king who is hunting her and her escapee friends.
She worries more about HIM being in the slum than about the danger to HER FRIENDS by bringing their hunter to their own backyard.
All she thinks about is HER, HERself, HER feelings, HER thoughts, and HIM and I just.
GURL HOW SELF-CENTERED ARE YOU.
She really doesn’t think of things outside her immediate perspective or beyond herself. She does not even *try*.
She’s kind but she lacks empathy, which is why she needs direction and to be told to care before she could actually care.
I’ve said before how, bcs charioce never directly hurts her, she can’t think of him as a bad person.
And this scene:
I just.
the "an asshole to everybody else but a sweetheart to his girl" trope is such a popular trope in all kind of media that I'm surprised nina doesn't realize it's not weird or extraordinary at all.
ahem
I don’t understand why she can’t understand this: that both are part of him, both are *real*
On the other hand, she could accept and understand that Azazel’s kind to Mugaro but a jerkass to her. Both are facets of azazel, and she has no trouble parsing that.
But then when it comes to charioce, she suddenly loses all senses? Pfft.
Also, why does it matter which one is real? Chari still did both things; even if, say, the kind him is the real him, it doesn’t erase the fact he destroys Cocytus and enslaves demons and kills both demons and angels.
Like wtf gurl.
Also, the *wording* actually *matters*, and the way she says “making the demons and gods hate you” it’s like Chari is only pranking them or something harmless like that for the purpose of making them hate him, which is not true at all.
HE TORTURED AND MASS MURDERED THEM. WOMEN AND CHILDREN ALIKE.
No, Nina, it’s not hate what they feel for Chari; hate is too light a word to describe it. They try to murder him now bcs they’re trying to survive, since if he’s not dead he’s going to kill them all eventually.
Also, way to make this all about you, gurl.
Gods and demons being slaughtered left and right but all you care about is his attitude toward you, bcs it’s the only thing that matters to you the most apparently.
Bcs his countless victims, including Jeanne, mugaro, kaisar, azazel, the gods she called cute, totally do not matter at all to her.
Empathy what empathy.
Fuck.
I’ve written about it here, but her conversation with Jeanne in ep14 still gives me chills bcs wow, she perfectly knows chari is the one who hurts Jeanne and is the cause of Jeanne hurting her own child, yet she still dares, with no shred of guilt at all while claiming herself Jeanne’s friend, saying to Jeanne’s face that she *loves* charioce.
No consideration at all of how Jeanne’s actually one of Chari’s victims, no nothing.
The fact Nina doesn’t mention Charioce is the guy she likes is totally cheating and unfair to Jeanne, bcs now Jeanne has unknowingly approved of Charioce.
Cheating…or more like betrayal toward Jeanne, I think.
I wish Nina had done it purposefully tho, omitting Chari’s name in that scene I mean, bcs at least it means she’s aware jeanne’s chari’s victim and only trying to spare her feelings by not mentioning the name, while still keeping the conversation going.
But the fact she hadn’t is just. stupid and mostly empathy what empathy indeed.
Also this scene:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
WTF
…I feel so stupid for trying to analyze her transformation at all oh my god what a waste of time and energy
What about her mother’s words about how her transformation is realted to her father trauma and bahamut???? Where’s the follow up??? Where did that plotline go omg
I JUST.
REALLY, SHOW, REALLY?
That easy? So she’s basically, to quote someone, “just a dragon in heat.”
Wow.
Just… wow.
Also to anon from way back, I take back what I said about how nina’s ignorance is not meant as shallow; full offense, I really mean this: nina’s not only ignorant, but also shallow, only thinks of herself, and has no empathy whatsoever for others unless told to.
The fact Chari never hurts her is important, bcs to her, since she never experiences his cruelty herself, countless tales of his victims is just an unreal myth to her.
Meanwhile for Charioce himself, dude, how the fuck did you go from Charioce 13th to Charioce 17th so fast in less than 5 years, like did you kill 14th-16th or what?
They sure do love abandoning subplots left and right, don’t they haha
I thought he’s interesting at the beginning but he barely has any character development and frankly I’m bored and lost interest in him and his secretiveness just makes him irritating.
I’m not a patient person; sue me for losing interest.
Also, someone commented how Charinina’s lake scene makes them seem like Romeo and Juliet, like, if only they’re not who they are, then they must be able to be happy together.
WTF ROMEO JULIET WHERE
They both are humans, none’s stopping them from being together, he and his race are not at war with her or her race; he doesn’t even know dragonfolk exists.
Azazel thinks her a demon but then again he’s wrong about a lot of things, including mugaro’s origin.
No, dragons are not demons, and nina’s also half dragonfolk half human, so she’s mostly human.
The closest Romeo/Juliet relationship in the show is probably Chari/Mugaro or Chari/Azazel or even Mugaro/Azazel.
There’s no pre-existing condition between Nina/Chari, all the drama are recent and of their own making and not something that already exists as foundation of conflict.
4. TL;DR
I do think while Azazel deserves a lot of suffering, being comic relief and charinina’s fodder is not one of them.
Also Charioce still doesn’t have embarrassing pose and never experienced being the butt of a joke like the rest of the main casts wtf let the poor guy have his own embarrassing meme show
As protags, Nina and Charioce feel so flat to me. Nothing much happens to them personally, no mountain of problems to overcome, no nothing. Well nina has her transformation problem, but that seems so insignificant considering it only involves her and her alone.
Charioce doesn’t have problems to solve bcs he actually creates problems for other characters and somehow sit all the while being cool and charismatic doing nothing. Pfft.
I think, conflict and character development wise, Kaisar and Azazel deserve to be protags more. Kaisar has the Hero’s Righteousness ™ down to the smallest detail, while Azazel has the classic Hero Journey (starting from losing everything to trying to regain everything back).
Meanwhile, Charioce starts as a villain and continues on to be villain, while Nina just lets the waves take her.
(Europe-Anon) Okay, so... this episode... was a clusterfuck. Cool battle scenes and Jeanne and Azazel being badass together aside, it was kind of a mess for me... And honestly, Kaisar's sacrifice was so OOC. I mean, what even?! Stop wasting characters like that!!
snb:vs ep23 aka the one where bahamut is actually a good obedient little giant flying lizard
on bahamut:
I think the most funny thing in ep23 is the fact that Bahamut gets completely ignored
and i’m just. lol.
the fact that bahamut even obediently follows chari’s ship like some kinda of good little flying lizard without even letting out light beam every few seconds like it did in genesis is already… heh
so basically what i get is that bahamut is not as dangerous as it is in genesis
also I don’t think chari would be able to kill it since, you know, the show’s title is RAGE OF BAHAMUT.
the whole thing hinges on the fact that Bahamut is unkillable
killing bahamut now would also kill any chance at a possibility of season 3
that aside, chari actually needs to fail here bcs otherwise, all this plot is actually done just to make chari look good while making Gab and Azazel look stupid
what I mean is that they all three are super confident in their plans
all of their plans are on the same level of ridiculous and totally depends on the one thing they don’t really understand (azazel -> nina, Gab -> mugaro, chari -> dromos)
both Azazel and Gab failed, so it’s about time chari fails too.
eeeehh, no worries too even if chari fails, both heaven and hell army are conveniently there to pick up the slack ;-)
does the wink emoji there annoy you, bcs I wrote that and it honestly annoys me
on kaisar:
eh his death does nothing to me
poor rita tho
but other than that, nah
i guess i stop giving a fuck when it’s clear he keeps supporting chari
he wont even let azazel and jeanne grieve in peace before trying to defend aless
idk idk idk
i kinda hoped aless would have better character arc than this tho
aless: “not my fault, not my fault, i did nothing wrong”chari: other charas did the explaining for him, he did nothing wrong, it’s all “bahamut” and “martinet”, don’t you know he’s actually a good guyjeanne & azazel: suffer and get blamed continuously
see a pattern there? :p
idk
on Lucifer and the demons:
the most unbelievable thing is how they show cerberus to be happy and fawn over lucifer lololol
while lucifer is indeed second to satan, and technically cerberus is under him, considering cerberus is actually Hades’ subordinate, their relationship is not as clear-cut the way lucifer/azazel does.
cerberus does what lucifer asks of her bcs she *wants* to, not bcs she is *obligated* to.
also she’s nothing compared to lucifer power-wise, but compared to him she’s supposed to be more level-headed.
so seeing her down there with other demons girl and actually dances at lucifer’s arrival is just. mind blowing, lol.
but maybe in the anime, she’s indeed just a low level demon girl used for aesthetic and nothing more :’)
i guess i’ll just continue to headcanon her to be there in anatea on lucifer’s order to spy, while also keeping the other girls safe while pretending to be just another slave girl on the job
but seeing the demons’ cheer, it’s pretty clear all this time they’ve been waiting for Lucifer.
implying that Lucifer’s not only popular but also pretty well-liked
and that they have complete faith their leader would come save them (rag demon who lol)
but… those scenes with dante actually kinda highlights that azazel did make it clear that he was acting alone, no backup from lucifer.
so maybe the demons are just, not confident enough to rise on their own, if what they have is only a part of upper echelons without actual backing from said upper echelons.
dante’s group is just desperate enough and impatient enough to do something that they’d take any chance at a plan to rebel
Bel is pretty and i wish she had been alive to see lucifer coming for them :(
i kinda want to see her reaction to lucifer too. would she get flushed and starry-eyed in front of him the way she does in front of azazel? or would her reaction be more humbled and formal?
I missed Bel :(((
on lucifer and azazel
TOTALLY MARRIED
they’re not even going out, they’re totally living together in marital bliss probably
azazel’s the one working but somehow lucifer is the lord of the house
that useless asshole tho, why does he even come with if he’s going to just read his book without even lift a single finger to help the war effort?
are you telling me lucifer’s only there to watch over azazel
he may appear calm and collected and all smiley now, but once something real happened to azazel he’d start working probably
or is it a tradition or something, to make lucifer move only in the very last ep of the show
lucifer’s cute tiny wings are replaced with bigger ones (even bigger than azazel’s) bcs posing is important obviously
also looking at this cap above, it’s pretty evident azazel is actually a very important person ™
as in, he really is Lucifer’s right hand man, second in command, no doubt about it.
this is esp since Lucifer allows him to be this close, and azazel even has a foot on Lucifer’s… space.
no other demons has ever been shown that close. and even in that very last scene in ep21, azazel’s distance to lucifer is much closer than those demon generals shown in ep15.
also pls compare this face, the face he shows to azazel:
and the face he shows to non-azazel
and the face he shows to actual enemy
*_____*
it seems as long as azazel is near, lucifer’s always smiling
no really
even while he’s reading his book, his face is smiling in this ep, and the only glaring difference between all of his reading book scenes (both times in genesis as well vs ep15, 21, 23) is that in ep23 azazel is near and within reach (if he just bothers to get up from his chair and flies a little that is)
8D
other things:
where’s grigori :(
you’ve got another fallen angel who is also a direct subordinate of lucifer and yet you refuse to utilize him why show why
gimme grigori
no really gimme grigori, i need more headcanon fodder for him
also where’s that demon general who worried about azazel?
have they met?
did he tell azazel how much he was missed?
did he give him a lecture on going missing for years without a news?
did he wrap azazel in tons of blanket and give him hot chocolate and make sure he was okay?
did he fuss over azazel like an annoying grandfather until azazel snapped and told him to shut it except then the demon general told him with teary eyes he was glad and relieved azazel come back okay if a little hurt and then he hugged him and azazel just gave up and allowed the fussy treatment.
meanwhile lucifer watched all of this with amused eyes and refused to help even when azazel’s eyes beseech him to release him from this.
this is your punishment, Lucifer says without a sound, only moving his lips. just accept it and give up.
azazel loves and respects his leader dearly but sometimes he also wants to punch him in the face
well, maybe not in the face; not that he could actually hurt him, but even just the thought of marring that face is just too much; he likes that face too much.
grigori is also actually there, even if nobody seems to remember his presence
he’s mostly glad azazel’s back, if only bcs azazel’s currently the only being that able to make lucifer moves, and he needs lucifer to make a move.
also, i really like your description of lucifer: iconic level of chill indeed XD
also agree about jeanne and azazel! :D
I like how they don’t even need words, that a glance and eyecontact is enough
i love that jeanne actually comes to azazel’s rescue, and azazel doesn’t even complain or protest; he just accepts it and saves her in return when she needs it.
i also love how jeanne’s eyes show that she’s a little worried about azazel that second time he gets captured
i love that jeanne and azazel’s teamwork is actually a thing
i lvoe how they’re both equally disgusted when the onyx remove their armors (or i maybe projecting)
i love how their eyes are equally unforgiving and just fed up when looking at chari
i just love everything about them this ep
also when will azazel stop suffering lulz he keeps getting caught again and again lmao
like, what kind of sad things even happened to her???
the only time she's shown to be upset is:
when chari revealed he's both the king and the kind chris in ep11
when chari rejected her at the party in ep19
when mugaro got taken in ep8, she was even not as upset as she was in those occasions with chari
her father's trauma? got magically cured with a kiss in ep17
all this time, nothing really happened to her; all these sad things happened to the ppl around her and she was around for the ride but even then she was not shown to be upset or show any consideration.
compared to what happened to jeanne and especially azazel, what exactly happened to her???
compared to what happened to kaisar and favaro in genesis, what exactly happened to her???
this scene really annoys me so much
esp since all she cared about for most of the show was her crush on someone whom she knew caused the sufferings for her so called friends.
tell me then, what kind of sad things actually happened to her, other than being rejected by her crush?
also, if chari didn't actually reject her in ep19, would she still react to mugaro's death this way?
gabriel healed el's throat but sofiel couldn't heal el's stab wound? why?
bcs he needs to die no matter what, so fuck consistency apparently lulz
also nina needs to have a breakdown and be angry at chari, but considering it’s pretty much established she doesn’t care about the suffering of the demons or angels, someone close to her has to be the one to bite the bullet - hence mugaro dying.
