#sternbeere

[wilczawisnia]

@sternbeere​ replied to your post: “Does anyone else get a feeling that in some people’s eyes the way the...”:

Severus also genuinely cared About Voldemort, probably even vice versa to a certain extent, (as much as Voldemort is capable there of)

See, that’s the thing I actually always wonder about. Without any second thought Severus went to Dumbledore, fully expecting he may be killed at the spot (DH, chapter 33, the scene and the hill top), and yet he clearly didn’t trust Voldemort to keep Lily alive. This is what always baffles me about the claims of his being 100% loyal back then, up to the point Lily’s life was threatened. A loyal DE would act like Bellatrix, when she tried to reason with Narcissa, and put their hopes in the Dark Lord, not went to some other wizard to look for help. It would not occur to them even to think about looking for help elsewhere. And yet, Severus not only thought about it, but actually did it. This is why I do wonder how much invested he was in the whole DE business and when his doubts started and why.

And here we have the main question. Did he really care about Voldemort? Ever? Or did he perhaps care about the cause? There is nothing in the books that points to him caring about Voldemort per se. He joined DE in search for power and hopes of making his life better, to which his general story points and comments made by JKR in the interviews. Just like she said once he would have never joined DE if he had been given the choice again. I would rather say he wanted power, and not necessarily fully supported the ideal that DE may have had, but he didn’t care about others enough to think about the consequences that DE actions may have had for others. The expected benefits exceeded what he thought to be the cost, so he didn’t even look into the whole matter that much to find out what the cost really was. A very foolish thing to do, IMO. I never made it a secret that I see joining DE as signing down a pact with the devil with your own blood - of course what you get from it is not what you expect it to be. A very bad life choice, indeed. Even if his main motivation wasn’t the prejudice.

It is somewhat ironic, however, that nothing appeared to have changed for him. In HBP Trelawney noted that he was searching for a job around that time she had had the job interview and the general feeling of him that I get is that he wasn’t doing as well as he had hoped. I suppose that it was around that time he was first relegated to attempt to spy at Albus Dumbledore, but as he was relegated there, he clearly held no important position elsewhere, so despite his initial hopes nothing had changed. Quite a good reason to start having doubts even before the final push.

[violentviolette]

Hi I have noticed many blogs written by people with b-cluster disorders feature darker and gorier things ? I a love for darker things somehow connected to those disorders or is it coincidence ?

i think its more just correlation as opposed to causation. i don’t think it’s a symptom or byproduct of having those disorders, but i think it’s just that there’s naturally a certain amount of overlap between “people with lifelong mental illness struggles” and “people who prefer a ‘darker’ vibe.” 

ive met plenty of other cluster b’s who aren’t into that kind of aesthetic and plenty of people who are that don’t have any pd’s

altho im sure there’s something to be said for the fact that some of us who struggle to relate to others because of inherent differences in how we experience, think about, understand, and relate to the world and people around us tend to relate more to and gravitate towards non-human creatures and themes. i know i personally found comfort in monsters and demons because i understood and identified with them much more than i related to other people, especially in my youth

[raelis1]

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@raelis1 I do not know if Rowling said that about Dumbledore (and would love to see a link if possible), but if she did...

@sternbeere I found the quote. She said it in reply to a question why Dumbledore didn’t stop Snape from being a jerk to students. "Dumbledore believes there are all sorts of lessons in life ... horrible teachers like Snape are one of them!" I think if that’s what Dumbledore believes, it’s pretty clear why he wasn’t interested in stopping the other kinds of bullying as well. I like Dumbledore as a character, but I think he was a horrid Headmaster. (like, he could have at least tried to lure away conflicted lonely kids like Snape from the clutches of his Death Eater classmates.His non-interference policy did way more harm than good.)

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sternbeere ha risposto al tuo post : Alright, I’d had enough. I’ve always been quite...

What happened ? And even if I do not know what happened this situation made me quite angry. I mean why do the people throw offenses at you( or others)? What is their point ? Anyways if I had a wookie cookie I would give you one now :)

Ahahah, thanks XD

I got one myself to go with coffee right now XD

It was quite the usual, really. Someone I follow for good Snape content reblogged an anti nonsense post with their rebuttal, the OP had some bits than enraged me, I added my two cents (half mad, half rolling on the floor with bitter laugh, must add) and went on my merry way. 

Today I get up, check around for a bit and find the initial poster has made a new post “calling out” the “disgusting snape apologists” that disagreed with their dismissive nonsense. If a had a bingo for strawman argument, change of topic, double standards, moral purity and holier than you... boi. 

The point, as I guess, you cannot understand where a bitter, angry and hurt character is coming from, no matter how much you disagree with many of their actions. You have to condamn them for the trash they are, and it doesn’t matter how they came to be or how much they suffered. At the opposite, you better dismiss it, because fandom darling pain is much more, is more important, and once errors are made they’re unforgivable and if you don’t condamn them you are an “apologist” (sure, sure). 

IF your name is Severus Snape or Albus Dumbledore.

If you’re called Lucius or Narcissa Malfoy, then loving your son will erase everything you’ve ever done, including leading muggle-hunts raids or being a key figure in your cousin death. 

If you’re called Draco Malfoy... oh, don’t get me even start. He can be more like Riddle than Snape at school, spat slurs at 12 while in a privilegied position, be glad about Voldy’s coming back, join the Death Eaters... and be excused of everything because he was “young” and “raised that way”. 

Both statement are true, unfortunately “young” and “raised that way” count for he and not for Snape, whose childhood and teenage years were a nightmare compared to spoiled and adored Draco.  

[wilczawisnia]

@sternbeere replied to your post “I used to say that Severus was my role model for teaching in the sense...”

what I see in General is that severus is trying to make his students to think on their own, but fails

I would like to think that in the moment when it was obvious to him he was stuck with teaching, no matter what his feelings about the matter were, he went all like “I’ll show you now how it’s done!” only to realise that some things are easier said than done. He simply underestimated er... the resentment some students may feel toward acquiring new knowledge. So in turn he was forced to bring his expectations down.

I’m not convinced that he really always tries to make his students think on their own. I think I can notice it in his DADA classes in HBP (a bit) and maybe in some essays he assigns, but throughout Harry’s first five years his classes seem to be more focused on getting the students through their OWL while following his improved directions. So it would mean he is more toward teaching them when to follow the instructions and when to question them? I wish we got some more insight into how all of them went, but alas, that’s clearly not going to happen.

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sternbeere replied to your post “Slughorn reminds me of my well meaning but racist aunt that says stuff...”

I also think it is more complex than old and new world order, because of how Arthur Weasley behaves and how Tonks comments on her own Dad (Are the muggles all so tidy? ) etc.

Truth be told Horace’s comments about Muggle-borns sometimes remind me of how the magical folks talk about Muggles (I mean the progressive part of that community). Or how some of them treat Squibs. Like when Ron says there was a Squib in their family, but they never talk about it. So despite being progressive, there still may stuck to some rather dubious behaviours and beliefs.

[wilczawisnia]

@sternbeere replied to your post: “@sternbeere​ replied to your post: “Does anyone else get a feeling...”:

as for care for Voldemort, I think they were Partners in bad life as the Russians would say, People who lived through abuse and came out damaged, they had common interests (potions, dark magic) and common Problems (shitty fathers (well Voldemort is more complicated but from his Point of view this was the case) and all. Out of all death eaters at some Point severus was one of the most valued and I do wonder if there was something aside of his skills that made him such

The problem I have with seeing it, is that it would require for Voldemort to share his whole past with his DE or at least a few of them, which goes against what Albus Dumbledore said about him in HBP - when Tom Marvolo Riddle came back, he came back with a new name and so changed that hardly anyone could recognise in him the man he once was. In other words he cut himself from his past to the point where most people were unaware of the fact that Voldemort was Tom Marvolo Riddle once. I would risk the statement that even his Hogwarts classmates didn’t know everything about him, but some carefully crafted version of his life.This is why I personally doubt in any sense of real camaraderie between Voldemort and Severus.

Yes, Severus may have been valued in some way, but only after Voldemort’s second comeback or should I rather say afer he killed Dumbledore. Sadly, the way I see Voldemort valuing him is not dissimilar to valuing a favourite tool or possession. Like seriously, Nagini had more Voldemort’s respect that any DE of his ever had, save for Bellatrix perhaps. All was well as long they were useful to him. So no, I see no closeness here.

Instead, I’d risk the statement that the short period of time that Severus spent as DE may have been not enough for him to develop trust in Voldemort. Some people take years to warm to others.

[severusdefender]

Would Snape have done better in Ravenclaw ? I mean he has the outside the box thinking and while some people were in fact bullied, Ravenclaw is more accepting of oddities. Plus , Snape being in Ravenclaw might have draw him away from the Death Eaters.

i used to think that all it would take to make severus’ life better was to change one thing. change his parents, change his house, change swm, change his future as a death eater. now i’m thinking that it’s way more complicated. 

severus is very ambitious in everything he does. he wants to be better than everyone in his preferred subjects, he wants to have both lily and his pureblood allies, he wants to be rich and powerful, etc. ambition is at the very core of who he is. for severus to join ravenclaw, he would have to be a very different person from his background to his personality.

still it’s possible in a world where severus values knowledge over power that he would join ravenclaw. a few things would become better. his relationship with lily would be one but that would still lead to james targeting him. remember sirius lied when he said they hated severus for his love of dark arts and the people he hung out with. flitwick might be better than slughorn but then again luna’s bullied a lot and you don’t see flitwick stepping in.

the death eaters wouldn’t care about a ravenclaw halfblood so at least severus has that going for him.