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[thenetvvork]

[thenetvvork]

“for some reason endos thing singlets are the enemy” have you ever met anyone in the psych industry or the pharma industry or the government 

you’re on your own buddy 

[thenetvvork]

stop trying to take pot shots at people who don’t agree with you but aren’t hurting you and instead go fist fight your therapist about it lmaooooo 

these people don’t know how institutional prejudice works or aNYTHING I literally do NOT have the power to hurt you by existing it’s the psych singlets you dense motherfucker

-Mew

[thenetvvork]

hey quick question but if you don’t even know that we exist and don’t feel the affects of our existence that you don’t even know about (because you feel no affects) then HOW in the hell are we hurting you

this is @ Vaporeon btw like what fucking bullshit are they on this time? 

-Mew

[solipsistful]

it’s funny seeing how there are like... trends in what syscoursers are doing, what sorts of blogs they’re running etc.

like, idk. maybe funny isn’t the right word, but it gives me the mental image of hating non-traumagenic systems being the Cool Thing That Kids Are Doing These Days and this particular manifestation is the newest twist on the fad 😎😎😎

- Ace

[thenetvvork]

if you want a separate community so bad then get off tumblr and like, GO to one of the many separate communities out there

at the least there’s Psych forum but I’m Pretty Sure there are a few others at least

no one is stopping you from having a separate community! But tumblr isn’t the best place for that! So use your brain and get off it!

-Mew

[solipsistful]

Honestly? No, there probably is no amount of scientific evidence that could lead us to say, “Well, I(?) guess my(?) experiences aren’t real after all!”

And this really is about experience, not just what to call them (given how often people call non-traumagenic systems faking roleplayers…). It’s asking us to ignore either:

The presence of a cluster of experiences that have most parsimoniously and ego(s)-syntonically been explained as “multiple,” including non-ego inner voices, predictable gain and loss of skills, feelings of an “inner space” that you can go back to and watch the body, significant disconnect from parts of the body’s past and actions when someone else was fronting… Just… a lot things you’d expect from the experience of sharing a body.

The absence of most of the experiences that are expected, practically required of the life-changing amount of traumatization that leads to OSDD-1 and DID. Like, any diagnostician of the “DID or bust” variety who looks at us would not have to doubt one second that we were malingering. No triggers, no problematic chronic dissociation, a kinda non-prototypical system set-up… With our knowledge of the DID model, we could go on for ages. :|

It just so happens that we also think that “this disorder, which (when assumed to be real) has been studied and defined as traumagenic and strongly associated with other traumagenic conditions, has been found to be traumagenic” does not necessarily mean “this type of cognition/mental set-up, most associated with this disorder but not really looked at on its own (unless you’re willing to make some cross-cultural comments about spirit possession), must be traumagenic”.

- Thomas & Ace

[solipsistful]

Integration is becoming one after being many. Wanting to have a system when you don't is wanting many after being one. There's a difference.

yeah, i know there’s a difference, though i’d argue there’s something about valuing multiplicity as a valid, healthy, desirable end goal of therapy – for reasons other than “I don’t want to lose them”, unless that’s really all that most people are thinking? – and then saying that none of those reasons could ever apply to people choosing multiplicity

buuuut it’s kinda moot if you’re already coming at it with the idea that people can’t create tulpas/thoughtforms/etc.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- Ace