#tagging discourse

[adanmeiconfessionblog]

Okay hi, it's the overly passionate BingQiu fan, LiuShen hater again.

I re-read your post and you were a lot more fair and balanced than I thought when I read the first time. I still think the poll is slightly skewed, but not so badly that I would wanna send an ask about it.

I think I just got lowkey triggered and lashed out. I'm sorry about that. That was a me problem, not a you problem. I'm sorry about that. I'll reflect and do better.

Take care.

Thank you anon. I appreciate that, if you want me to delete my reply to your other submission let me know.

But like I said in that one, I do appreciate valid criticism. And I agree I was at least a bit bias in my notes with what is my favourite, so I am changing that. So if you have any criticism in the future, just let me know.

Again thank you for coming back to send me this.

[adanmeiconfessionblog]

So I have a general question and I don't mean anything bad by it but you seem really concerned about the idea that people can't filter out ships that they don't like and very minimally concerned about people seeing ship hate on a tag.

Like, it's just weird to me.

LiuShen is my NOTP and I hate seeing it and it's a tag that is blocked. But I'd definitely rather see miscellaneous LiuShen post in the wild than run into BingQiu ship hate when I'm on the tag. If I see LiuShen, it sucks but I'll get over it. That's life. There's no possibility of blocking that ship from ever coming across my path. But if I am very specifically on the BingQiu tag, it is because I want to see BingQiu. BingQiu is a huge comfort ship for me too and I come to the tag when I'm upset and I need an emotional boost. It does actually upset me when I'm minding my own business on the tag and someone posts hate for it and tags it. Yes, I just block the person and move on. But the fact is that it does hurt me when that happens. The knowledge that LiuShen exists and people ship it doesn't hurt me, I just disagree with them and I think they're wrong. The fact that people hate and bash my comfort ship does upset me. So, I find it strange that you're strongly prioritizing people's ability to block a NOTP above their ability to not see unpleasant content that is incorrectly tagged.

You make sure to note in the options for the poll that "people can't filter it out" as a huge demerit, but you don't mention in the other options that yes, people are going to see "BingQiu Critical" posts in the BingQiu tag because of the way that tumblr is broken. And yes, every single fan who runs into it can spend the time to individually block your tag or your account to avoid seeing it, but I just think it's strange how your poll doesn't seem to acknowledge how shitty it is for every single fan who comes to their tag in good faith and has to see those posts. And yet you seem very concerned about peoples ability to block their NOTP.

It's just a very skewed poll. Your verbage on it basically tells people how you want them to vote and what you think is the right answer, because of what you're concerned about. Which it is your blog and you're allowed to run it in any way that you like, so that is fair enough. But in that case, I sort of wish you'd just say "I'm not going to do anything to stop these posts from appearing in the ship tag, because I don't really care about that issue. I do care about the issue of people being able to block ships that they hate and therefore, I'm not going to change the way I do things."

Also, to your note that people would be "unable" to block ships tags... they still can if you're consistent. If you post the tag consistently as "Li/uShen" every time, they can just block the "Li/uShen" tag. You're asking every single fan of the ships to block the "BingQiu Critical" tag, but you don't seem to think it's reasonable to have the same expectation of the people who dislike the ship.

I think I got a bit heated, so I'll leave now. It isn't a big deal and again, it is your blog. I can see that you're doing your best to appease everyone and it's just difficult to do that in a blog like this. And I do appreciate your efforts to appease everyone, even if I felt a certain way about this attempt. I think the rules on your blog are clear and fair. And while I personally have a more negative reaction to seeing BingQiu critical content on the BingQiu tag than I do to seeing LiuShen slipping through my filters, I also recognize that I do not represent the entirety of fandom. Everyone has their preferences and issues. My issues biased me pretty strongly and ultimately, the people will vote to decide this. I think I might also feel more strongly about this because my comfort ship is a problematic and maligned ship that is both popular and hated. There's always someone in the BingQiu tag who wants to scream about how it's toxic and abusive and gross and we're all gross for shipping it and I think I'm just tired of seeing those posts when all I want to do is watch my OTP kiss after a hard day. I know they're problematic. I read the books too. It's a problematic book series with an age-gap couple who have an extremely weird power dynamic and very weird dubcon elements. I have reading comprehension. I don't need you to scream at me that my comfort ship has issues. But they're fake characters and I'm a real person and I need comfort sometimes when I'm having a hard time with my very real life and I still like them. Can you stop yucking my yum, please?

Both are equally important to me. That’s why I made the poll so that the community can decide what they like the best. I also found it fair to point out every con to every idea. That the cons to a couple ideas are the same is not something I have a influence over. Thats just the way it is. You are right that I might could have worded it better, but unfortunate the character limit from the poll does not allow me that. Trust me, I tried. I will edit it in the notes tho. Because I don’t have a character limit there. I do appreciate valid criticism.

I am trying to find a solution the majority of the fandom prefers. So I don’t appreciate the accusations. Especially after I already have said that I am also a rare pair shipper that sometimes runs into the same problem.

There is one other anon submission to this problem I will reply to. After that this blog is going back to posting the things I made this blog for.

[adanmeiconfessionblog]

About tagging

This post is all about the tagging situation on this blog. Underneath the poll with all the options you can see all the ideas and thoughts of the anons with notes from me about the cons of each option. THESE ARE ALL THE COMMUNITIES IDEAS, NOT MINE. Please read everything to the end for the dure of the poll and my temporary solution for the mean time.

Every poll option states what it is and the most obvious con that it has.

What way of tagging do you prefer

Current way of tagging. We will have the same problem again.

A critical [ship/fandom/character] tag. Can show up blank on fyp.

Putting a / between the names. People can’t filter out topics they don’t like.

Change the order of the names. People cant filter out the topics they don't like

No tags besides number and danmei. Nobody can filter anything.

Voting ended onJun 27

This is an idea thats workable, but negative post can still show up in the main tag and it can row up as a blank post after people block the critical tag in their fyp.

Unfortunately a special tag/nickname that only I use requires that I know all danmei and everything about them, therefore this is not a workable option.

Changing the name order is something thats workable but it has the added negative of people no longer being able to filter out the ships that they do not want to see at all.

The slash has been suggested multiple times so I will come back to that.

This is an option that would work for me. But it does make it impossible to filter it out for people that dont want to see the ship at all.

This is also a way to deal with it, but I dont think that this will slove anything for the long run. But thank you for trying to make my load less anon.

A lot of confession blogs use no tags besides fandom and a number. So I also added that as an option. But that will also mean that nobody can filter anything at all.

I want to thank all anons again for their suggestions and time. This poll will run for a week. For that time I will just tag only the danmei tag and the submission number. What is also a option to vote for.

[evi-anxiety]

How does one become so out of touch with reality

[thesesnakesaremyfriends]

Some discourse is currently going around about how you shouldn't tag negative comments as the thing you are talking about and I just find that to be such an annoying sentiment? like, when I go into the Anor tag I do in fact want to see critical discussion of the show! looking up something like andor critical will only bring up negative comments when what I'm looking for is just people interacting with the show in any which way. If people are critisizing in good faith I can either respond on their post or I can make my own or they might even convince me! and if they're blatantly wrong I can just use the block button.

So please do put critical posts in the main tag I love reading them.

[loxosceleslolo]

discourse got me like "I tagged my fics where anyone can die with 'anyone can die', right?"

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Hey there, I hope your day is going well!

I'd like to suggest that you don't post ship hate in the relevant character tags. I understand your view of it making no sense and your opinion is valid, but people who like the ship won't be able to filter out the post with these tags since they can't just block the character tags.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this! Have a wonderful week!

Hello there.

You mean my post about rivalshipping?

I can add more anti tags to prevent rivalshipping fans from seeing it but I don't agree to omitting the character tags. Feel free to recommend some popular anti tags I can use given I don't really explore the Yugioh fandom here on Tumblr.

The post is not anti Kaiba or anti Yugi (just slightly Yugi critical) so the tags are relevant. There are antis like me who follow these characters too and it helps with my archive. I don't see why shippers should own the character tags. If shippers have a problem, they can scroll past or block me.

Thanks for reaching out. Don't worry: that post will probably be my first and last Rivalshipping post so shippers don't need to worry their faint little hearts lol.

Edit: I removed the Yugi tag and kept the Yugi critical tag. I really do like Yugi but he's not an amazing protag compared to others like Yuma.

[lurkingteapot]

going through ao3 and catching on tags:

"btw this is not rpf, but i had to tag (the actors)'s names for better reach?"

DON'T. DO. THIS.

Folks who don't want to see rpf will filter this out, or skip on the chance that it might contain sneak rpf anyway. Folks who DO want to see rpf will be annoyed that you're cluttering their tags (often sparsely populated to begin with) with non-rpf work. Everyone loses.

Same goes for the folks who insist on tagging their AU RPF with the tags of the fandom that started the rpf ship when the fic itself isn't for that fandom, or even a crossover with that fandom, but solely for the rp ship that sprung of it: don't. Just … don't.

ao3 is not xwitter/tiktok/tumblr. there's no ~algorithm suggesting shit to readers. all we have to go on are the tags! And you're making it harder when it needn't be! Stop it.